Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

anyone else hoping Brock gets healthy then it's an open QB comp for the ages with all three

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
anyone else hoping Brock gets healthy then it's an open QB comp for the ages with all three

Lol not really. Not because I don't want competition, but because I think it'll be detrimental to the team to have three guys splitting first team reps. Hahaha I don't mind Lance and Purdy having a split on first team cause Brock is rehabbing but not all three. At least not often

i think Brock will be limited so he will have limited first team reps. Then they'll give those leftover to Lance and then Lance will get a majority of second team reps. The remaining with be split with darnold, that's my assumption.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Koldo:
Funny how people think arm talent = arm strength.

Yea, and then use it as a basis for arguments about players 'ceilings'.

I've never understood that argument.

Because more arm strength =/= higher ceiling.

But also... you can't get mad at posters who believe Trey has a higher ceiling when you yourself are putting limitations on Trey's ceiling in your own mind after only 3 games.

I've tried to refrain from making statements about ceilings for Trey and Purdy, because I could honestly see either one of them or both become a top 5 QB, they just have different skill sets.

A lot of my personal belief on someone's "ceiling" depends on they play within an offense. Are they a game manager or someone that elevates everything around them?

i believe that if you're a game manager, you can never really be an elite qb, you can be a top 8-12 qb, but I don't think you can be elite.

how does someone perform when the play breaks down? How's their ball placement? Do they throw guys open? Do they hit tight windows? How do they perform under pressure? How do they perform in the redzone? How's their pocket presence? Etc.

a lot of QBs struggle if the play isn't open for them or it breaks down, those are usually the game managers. Or they can rarely operate outside of a play breaking down/throw guys open.

i personally feel like Lance is more of a high end game manager, but that isn't just based off of his three games, And my opinion can totally change once he plays more. It's just what I've seen so far. He's always been a cog in a machine and never the machine that everything runs through, if that makes sense. Highschool he threw 11 total touchdowns his junior and senior year (per max preps -I'm assuming he ran a lot more but it shows how little they depends on the pass game), then he had one season in college playing for a powerhouse that has won 9 championships in 12 years - so he isn't the reason they won, they won before him and right after. He was good there, no doubt, but it isn't like he elevated the program into a contender and they surely didn't rely on him to win games - although he did help them win games. I'm saying they would of won with or without him like they have for nearly 15 years straight. He hasn't played enough in the nfl to make an assessment but that's my biggest concern with Lance.

Purdy isn't physically talented like Lance but he elevated his highschool to heights they've never been to or hadn't in decades (he was the core reason), then he did the same in college and they've been awful without him on offense (they were historically bad last season on offense without him). Then I watch him play in the pros and he elevated this offense to heights we have never seen under shanahan (he has a great cast, no doubt, but he was better than any other qb we've had by far).

so it isn't so much as I have made a final assessment on Lance, I just have concerns that are backed up by real evidence/data. Then we have Purdy who has done great things at all levels and led each program to new heights. That's what gets me excited.

im perfectly fine being wrong about Lance, that's a good thing. I'm not saying he is bad, I just have my concerns about him becoming elite and don't see any proof of him being able to do that. I see him as a 8-11 rank qb in this league once he gets experience. I don't think that's a bad thing? I just question that he will be elite. I don't think that's far fetched.

Nice post Tankle. I agree with most of what you wrote, if not all of it.

If Trey has any chance of unseating Purdy, he's going to have to make plays outside the structure of the offense. I'm not sure he'll ever be as creative as Purdy, but I think if this were to happen (becoming QB1) he's going to have to make plays deep down the field in areas Purdy just doesn't have the arm strength for and become a much more effective runner. Those are two areas in which Trey could prove to be superior to Purdy, and then he has to prove he can be nearly as efficient in running the offense.

There's a lot on Trey's plate this year but I'm not counting him out.

I'm still leaning towards Purdy being the long-term guy as of today, I think he's earned that from the fans, I'm just saying the ceiling thing is kind of arbitrary anyway and we shouldn't count Lance out of the race just yet.

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Koldo:
Funny how people think arm talent = arm strength.

Yea, and then use it as a basis for arguments about players 'ceilings'.

I've never understood that argument.

Because more arm strength =/= higher ceiling.

But also... you can't get mad at posters who believe Trey has a higher ceiling when you yourself are putting limitations on Trey's ceiling in your own mind after only 3 games.

I've tried to refrain from making statements about ceilings for Trey and Purdy, because I could honestly see either one of them or both become a top 5 QB, they just have different skill sets.

A lot of my personal belief on someone's "ceiling" depends on they play within an offense. Are they a game manager or someone that elevates everything around them?

i believe that if you're a game manager, you can never really be an elite qb, you can be a top 8-12 qb, but I don't think you can be elite.

how does someone perform when the play breaks down? How's their ball placement? Do they throw guys open? Do they hit tight windows? How do they perform under pressure? How do they perform in the redzone? How's their pocket presence? Etc.

a lot of QBs struggle if the play isn't open for them or it breaks down, those are usually the game managers. Or they can rarely operate outside of a play breaking down/throw guys open.

i personally feel like Lance is more of a high end game manager, but that isn't just based off of his three games, And my opinion can totally change once he plays more. It's just what I've seen so far. He's always been a cog in a machine and never the machine that everything runs through, if that makes sense. Highschool he threw 11 total touchdowns his junior and senior year (per max preps -I'm assuming he ran a lot more but it shows how little they depends on the pass game), then he had one season in college playing for a powerhouse that has won 9 championships in 12 years - so he isn't the reason they won, they won before him and right after. He was good there, no doubt, but it isn't like he elevated the program into a contender and they surely didn't rely on him to win games - although he did help them win games. I'm saying they would of won with or without him like they have for nearly 15 years straight. He hasn't played enough in the nfl to make an assessment but that's my biggest concern with Lance.

Purdy isn't physically talented like Lance but he elevated his highschool to heights they've never been to or hadn't in decades (he was the core reason), then he did the same in college and they've been awful without him on offense (they were historically bad last season on offense without him). Then I watch him play in the pros and he elevated this offense to heights we have never seen under shanahan (he has a great cast, no doubt, but he was better than any other qb we've had by far).

so it isn't so much as I have made a final assessment on Lance, I just have concerns that are backed up by real evidence/data. Then we have Purdy who has done great things at all levels and led each program to new heights. That's what gets me excited.

im perfectly fine being wrong about Lance, that's a good thing. I'm not saying he is bad, I just have my concerns about him becoming elite and don't see any proof of him being able to do that. I see him as a 8-11 rank qb in this league once he gets experience. I don't think that's a bad thing? I just question that he will be elite. I don't think that's far fetched.

Nice post Tankle. I agree with most of what you wrote, if not all of it.

If Trey has any chance of unseating Purdy, he's going to have to make plays outside the structure of the offense. I'm not sure he'll ever be as creative as Purdy, but I think if this were to happen (becoming QB1) he's going to have to make plays deep down the field in areas Purdy just doesn't have the arm strength for and become a much more effective runner. Those are two areas in which Trey could prove to be superior to Purdy, and then he has to prove he can be nearly as efficient in running the offense.

There's a lot on Trey's plate this year but I'm not counting him out.

I'm still leaning towards Purdy being the long-term guy as of today, I think he's earned that from the fans, I'm just saying the ceiling thing is kind of arbitrary anyway and we shouldn't count Lance out of the race just yet.

Something im hoping to see from Lance this year is an adjustment in his running style - he runs the ball like juice does - very physical. I don't think that's sustainable at all. If he continues to do that, especially any where near the rate we run him, we might as well chalk him up for injury every season. I don't mean that as a knock on Lance, i think it'll happen to any qb. If he can get more elusive in dodging hits and not trying to deliver punishment, he'll be a lot better off.

In my opinon, before Trey has a real chance of unseating Purdy (assuming Purdy continues to play well), he needs in game experience. How do you get him that if Brock's healthy and playing well? He needs experience operating the offense and running plays out there - that's where he will get his most growth. Once he has 10+ games or so, we can start to really assess what he is and he can improve upon those things. I think that's his biggest challenge before we can even expect him to start playing at the efficiency and effectiveness of Brock.

brock played 35 games in high school a lone. Threw 8.9k yards, 828 pass attempts, 107 passing touchdowns (31 picks). He had another 360 rushing attempts for 2.4K rushing yards and 20 rushing touchdowns. That's just highschool.

then Brock played 48 games in college, 1467 passing attempts, 12k passing yards, 81 touchdowns (33 int), 365 rushing attempts for 1200 yards & 19 rushing touchdowns.

trey didn't even have 100 pass attempts in all of highschool. Then only 318 all of college. Couple that with his 100 passes in the league - that's some serious serious inexperience operating an offense. Like really really inexperienced. So how many reps does he need here to get really good? I'm not saying he can't but he's always been way behind the 8 ball.
The point of me inserting that data to show the difference in experience running an offense, especially the pass game, and reviewing your own film. Brock played more in highschool than Lance has essentially his whole life. The experience he has leading an offense and confidence he has stems a lot from that. I think that's the biggest difference between the two and idk how we get Lance that experience if Brock's playing at a high level again or not injured.

all that data ties back into how every program has relied on Brock's ability to pass the ball at a high level and lead a program, idk how you get Lance that experience at this level to compete with Brock's ability to operate this offense. It's a huge reason he looked like a 10 year vet immediately.
How many nfl games does Lance need to even start to catch up? It's an important question

the experience, pressure, expectations, highs & lows - of being in all those situations he was in highschool and college are critical and important for a qb.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Koldo:
Funny how people think arm talent = arm strength.

Yea, and then use it as a basis for arguments about players 'ceilings'.

I've never understood that argument.

Because more arm strength =/= higher ceiling.

But also... you can't get mad at posters who believe Trey has a higher ceiling when you yourself are putting limitations on Trey's ceiling in your own mind after only 3 games.

I've tried to refrain from making statements about ceilings for Trey and Purdy, because I could honestly see either one of them or both become a top 5 QB, they just have different skill sets.

A lot of my personal belief on someone's "ceiling" depends on they play within an offense. Are they a game manager or someone that elevates everything around them?

i believe that if you're a game manager, you can never really be an elite qb, you can be a top 8-12 qb, but I don't think you can be elite.

how does someone perform when the play breaks down? How's their ball placement? Do they throw guys open? Do they hit tight windows? How do they perform under pressure? How do they perform in the redzone? How's their pocket presence? Etc.

a lot of QBs struggle if the play isn't open for them or it breaks down, those are usually the game managers. Or they can rarely operate outside of a play breaking down/throw guys open.

i personally feel like Lance is more of a high end game manager, but that isn't just based off of his three games, And my opinion can totally change once he plays more. It's just what I've seen so far. He's always been a cog in a machine and never the machine that everything runs through, if that makes sense. Highschool he threw 11 total touchdowns his junior and senior year (per max preps -I'm assuming he ran a lot more but it shows how little they depends on the pass game), then he had one season in college playing for a powerhouse that has won 9 championships in 12 years - so he isn't the reason they won, they won before him and right after. He was good there, no doubt, but it isn't like he elevated the program into a contender and they surely didn't rely on him to win games (specifically on his passing ability, just like his HS didnt.)- although he did help them win games. I'm saying they would of won with or without him like they have for nearly 15 years straight. He hasn't played enough in the nfl to make an assessment but that's my biggest concern with Lance.

Purdy isn't physically talented like Lance but he elevated his highschool to heights they've never been to or hadn't in decades (he was the core reason), then he did the same in college and they've been awful without him on offense (they were historically bad last season on offense without him). Then I watch him play in the pros and he elevated this offense to heights we have never seen under shanahan (he has a great cast, no doubt, but he was better than any other qb we've had by far).

so it isn't so much as I have made a final assessment on Lance, I just have concerns that are backed up by real evidence/data. Then we have Purdy who has done great things at all levels and led each program to new heights. That's what gets me excited.

im perfectly fine being wrong about Lance, that's a good thing. I'm not saying he is bad, I just have my concerns about him becoming elite and don't see any proof of him being able to do that. I see him as a 8-11 rank qb in this league once he gets experience. I don't think that's a bad thing? I just question that he will be elite. I don't think that's far fetched.

Spot on

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

anyone else hoping Brock gets healthy then it's an open QB comp for the ages with all three

The QB comp already started.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Koldo:
Funny how people think arm talent = arm strength.

Yea, and then use it as a basis for arguments about players 'ceilings'.

I've never understood that argument.

Because more arm strength =/= higher ceiling.

But also... you can't get mad at posters who believe Trey has a higher ceiling when you yourself are putting limitations on Trey's ceiling in your own mind after only 3 games.

I've tried to refrain from making statements about ceilings for Trey and Purdy, because I could honestly see either one of them or both become a top 5 QB, they just have different skill sets.

A lot of my personal belief on someone's "ceiling" depends on they play within an offense. Are they a game manager or someone that elevates everything around them?

i believe that if you're a game manager, you can never really be an elite qb, you can be a top 8-12 qb, but I don't think you can be elite.

how does someone perform when the play breaks down? How's their ball placement? Do they throw guys open? Do they hit tight windows? How do they perform under pressure? How do they perform in the redzone? How's their pocket presence? Etc.

a lot of QBs struggle if the play isn't open for them or it breaks down, those are usually the game managers. Or they can rarely operate outside of a play breaking down/throw guys open.

i personally feel like Lance is more of a high end game manager, but that isn't just based off of his three games, And my opinion can totally change once he plays more. It's just what I've seen so far. He's always been a cog in a machine and never the machine that everything runs through, if that makes sense. Highschool he threw 11 total touchdowns his junior and senior year (per max preps -I'm assuming he ran a lot more but it shows how little they depends on the pass game), then he had one season in college playing for a powerhouse that has won 9 championships in 12 years - so he isn't the reason they won, they won before him and right after. He was good there, no doubt, but it isn't like he elevated the program into a contender and they surely didn't rely on him to win games - although he did help them win games. I'm saying they would of won with or without him like they have for nearly 15 years straight. He hasn't played enough in the nfl to make an assessment but that's my biggest concern with Lance.

Purdy isn't physically talented like Lance but he elevated his highschool to heights they've never been to or hadn't in decades (he was the core reason), then he did the same in college and they've been awful without him on offense (they were historically bad last season on offense without him). Then I watch him play in the pros and he elevated this offense to heights we have never seen under shanahan (he has a great cast, no doubt, but he was better than any other qb we've had by far).

so it isn't so much as I have made a final assessment on Lance, I just have concerns that are backed up by real evidence/data. Then we have Purdy who has done great things at all levels and led each program to new heights. That's what gets me excited.

im perfectly fine being wrong about Lance, that's a good thing. I'm not saying he is bad, I just have my concerns about him becoming elite and don't see any proof of him being able to do that. I see him as a 8-11 rank qb in this league once he gets experience. I don't think that's a bad thing? I just question that he will be elite. I don't think that's far fetched.

Nice post Tankle. I agree with most of what you wrote, if not all of it.

If Trey has any chance of unseating Purdy, he's going to have to make plays outside the structure of the offense. I'm not sure he'll ever be as creative as Purdy, but I think if this were to happen (becoming QB1) he's going to have to make plays deep down the field in areas Purdy just doesn't have the arm strength for and become a much more effective runner. Those are two areas in which Trey could prove to be superior to Purdy, and then he has to prove he can be nearly as efficient in running the offense.

There's a lot on Trey's plate this year but I'm not counting him out.

I'm still leaning towards Purdy being the long-term guy as of today, I think he's earned that from the fans, I'm just saying the ceiling thing is kind of arbitrary anyway and we shouldn't count Lance out of the race just yet.

Something im hoping to see from Lance this year is an adjustment in his running style - he runs the ball like juice does - very physical. I don't think that's sustainable at all. If he continues to do that, especially any where near the rate we run him, we might as well chalk him up for injury every season. I don't mean that as a knock on Lance, i think it'll happen to any qb. If he can get more elusive in dodging hits and not trying to deliver punishment, he'll be a lot better off.

In my opinon, before Trey has a real chance of unseating Purdy (assuming Purdy continues to play well), he needs in game experience. How do you get him that if Brock's healthy and playing well? He needs experience operating the offense and running plays out there - that's where he will get his most growth. Once he has 10+ games or so, we can start to really assess what he is and he can improve upon those things. I think that's his biggest challenge before we can even expect him to start playing at the efficiency and effectiveness of Brock.

brock played 35 games in high school a lone. Threw 8.9k yards, 828 pass attempts, 107 passing touchdowns (31 picks). He had another 360 rushing attempts for 2.4K rushing yards and 20 rushing touchdowns. That's just highschool.

then Brock played 48 games in college, 1467 passing attempts, 12k passing yards, 81 touchdowns (33 int), 365 rushing attempts for 1200 yards & 19 rushing touchdowns.

The point of me inserting that data to show the difference in experience running an offense, especially the pass game, and reviewing your own film. Brock played more in highschool than Lance has essentially his whole life. The experience he has leading an offense and confidence he has stems a lot from that. I think that's the biggest difference between the two and idk how we get Lance that experience if Brock's playing at a high level again or not injured.

all that data ties back into how every program has relied on Brock's ability to pass the ball at a high level and lead a program, idk how you get Lance that experience at this level to compete with Brock's ability to operate this offense. It's a huge reason he looked like a 10 year vet immediately.
How many nfl games does Lance need to even start to catch up? It's an important question

I mean… we gave Jimmy a pretty nice contract after 5 games. This FO isn't afraid of making a commitment to a player with a small sample size.

But to your point, Trey's chances for redemption are running out fast.

Either Trey gets a lot more playing time and plays well or Purdy is very healthy next year.. thats a win win situation IMO

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Koldo:
Funny how people think arm talent = arm strength.

Yea, and then use it as a basis for arguments about players 'ceilings'.

I've never understood that argument.

Because more arm strength =/= higher ceiling.

But also... you can't get mad at posters who believe Trey has a higher ceiling when you yourself are putting limitations on Trey's ceiling in your own mind after only 3 games.

I've tried to refrain from making statements about ceilings for Trey and Purdy, because I could honestly see either one of them or both become a top 5 QB, they just have different skill sets.

A lot of my personal belief on someone's "ceiling" depends on they play within an offense. Are they a game manager or someone that elevates everything around them?

i believe that if you're a game manager, you can never really be an elite qb, you can be a top 8-12 qb, but I don't think you can be elite.

how does someone perform when the play breaks down? How's their ball placement? Do they throw guys open? Do they hit tight windows? How do they perform under pressure? How do they perform in the redzone? How's their pocket presence? Etc.

a lot of QBs struggle if the play isn't open for them or it breaks down, those are usually the game managers. Or they can rarely operate outside of a play breaking down/throw guys open.

i personally feel like Lance is more of a high end game manager, but that isn't just based off of his three games, And my opinion can totally change once he plays more. It's just what I've seen so far. He's always been a cog in a machine and never the machine that everything runs through, if that makes sense. Highschool he threw 11 total touchdowns his junior and senior year (per max preps -I'm assuming he ran a lot more but it shows how little they depends on the pass game), then he had one season in college playing for a powerhouse that has won 9 championships in 12 years - so he isn't the reason they won, they won before him and right after. He was good there, no doubt, but it isn't like he elevated the program into a contender and they surely didn't rely on him to win games - although he did help them win games. I'm saying they would of won with or without him like they have for nearly 15 years straight. He hasn't played enough in the nfl to make an assessment but that's my biggest concern with Lance.

Purdy isn't physically talented like Lance but he elevated his highschool to heights they've never been to or hadn't in decades (he was the core reason), then he did the same in college and they've been awful without him on offense (they were historically bad last season on offense without him). Then I watch him play in the pros and he elevated this offense to heights we have never seen under shanahan (he has a great cast, no doubt, but he was better than any other qb we've had by far).

so it isn't so much as I have made a final assessment on Lance, I just have concerns that are backed up by real evidence/data. Then we have Purdy who has done great things at all levels and led each program to new heights. That's what gets me excited.

im perfectly fine being wrong about Lance, that's a good thing. I'm not saying he is bad, I just have my concerns about him becoming elite and don't see any proof of him being able to do that. I see him as a 8-11 rank qb in this league once he gets experience. I don't think that's a bad thing? I just question that he will be elite. I don't think that's far fetched.

Nice post Tankle. I agree with most of what you wrote, if not all of it.

If Trey has any chance of unseating Purdy, he's going to have to make plays outside the structure of the offense. I'm not sure he'll ever be as creative as Purdy, but I think if this were to happen (becoming QB1) he's going to have to make plays deep down the field in areas Purdy just doesn't have the arm strength for and become a much more effective runner. Those are two areas in which Trey could prove to be superior to Purdy, and then he has to prove he can be nearly as efficient in running the offense.

There's a lot on Trey's plate this year but I'm not counting him out.

I'm still leaning towards Purdy being the long-term guy as of today, I think he's earned that from the fans, I'm just saying the ceiling thing is kind of arbitrary anyway and we shouldn't count Lance out of the race just yet.

Something im hoping to see from Lance this year is an adjustment in his running style - he runs the ball like juice does - very physical. I don't think that's sustainable at all. If he continues to do that, especially any where near the rate we run him, we might as well chalk him up for injury every season. I don't mean that as a knock on Lance, i think it'll happen to any qb. If he can get more elusive in dodging hits and not trying to deliver punishment, he'll be a lot better off.

In my opinon, before Trey has a real chance of unseating Purdy (assuming Purdy continues to play well), he needs in game experience. How do you get him that if Brock's healthy and playing well? He needs experience operating the offense and running plays out there - that's where he will get his most growth. Once he has 10+ games or so, we can start to really assess what he is and he can improve upon those things. I think that's his biggest challenge before we can even expect him to start playing at the efficiency and effectiveness of Brock.

brock played 35 games in high school a lone. Threw 8.9k yards, 828 pass attempts, 107 passing touchdowns (31 picks). He had another 360 rushing attempts for 2.4K rushing yards and 20 rushing touchdowns. That's just highschool.

then Brock played 48 games in college, 1467 passing attempts, 12k passing yards, 81 touchdowns (33 int), 365 rushing attempts for 1200 yards & 19 rushing touchdowns.

The point of me inserting that data to show the difference in experience running an offense, especially the pass game, and reviewing your own film. Brock played more in highschool than Lance has essentially his whole life. The experience he has leading an offense and confidence he has stems a lot from that. I think that's the biggest difference between the two and idk how we get Lance that experience if Brock's playing at a high level again or not injured.

all that data ties back into how every program has relied on Brock's ability to pass the ball at a high level and lead a program, idk how you get Lance that experience at this level to compete with Brock's ability to operate this offense. It's a huge reason he looked like a 10 year vet immediately.
How many nfl games does Lance need to even start to catch up? It's an important question

I mean… we gave Jimmy a pretty nice contract after 5 games. This FO isn't afraid of making a commitment to a player with a small sample size.

But to your point, Trey's chances for redemption are running out fast.

Either Trey gets a lot more playing time and plays well or Purdy is very healthy next year.. thats a win win situation IMO

Right but Jimmy didn't have to unseat a qb playing at a high level. Very different situations but in hindsight that was a crazy gamble lmao.

i just seriously question how much experience Lance will need before he even remotely operates the offense like Purdy. 100 pass attempts in hS, 300 in college, 100 in pros? He's just so far behind everyone else and now unseating a guy playing at a high level? Idk how it happens besides injury

if we do move forward with Lance, I'll support it. I'm just being real about the situation. It seems like an extreme long shot. Lance would have to become exponentially better and quick. That's a lot to ask of anyone, especially someone with such little experience. Jimmy started quite a bit of games in college and some with the pats before coming here - so even that isn't a great comp.

I'm still shocked that we used 3 first round picks and moved up to third overall for a qb with 417 pass attempts in his life (99 in highschool & 318 in college) and and 28 total starts ( 9 in HS & 19 in college). Especially with all the games at a very low division level.

that's a bigger gamble than making jimmy the highest paid qb in nfl history after 5 starts. Lmao

i was so shocked when we took him because no one, including Lance, has any freakin idea of what this guy is capable of. Lol wild. I hope it works out but idk how anyone can say he's capable of being a superstar or elite qb with that sample size in his lifetime.

Originally posted by tankle104:
I'm still shocked that we used 3 first round picks and moved up to third overall for a qb with 417 pass attempts in his life (99 in highschool & 318 in college) and and 28 total starts ( 9 in HS & 19 in college). Especially with all the games at a very low division level.

that's a bigger gamble than making jimmy the highest paid qb in nfl history after 5 starts. Lmao

i was so shocked when we took him because no one, including Lance, has any freakin idea of what this guy is capable of. Lol wild. I hope it works out but idk how anyone can say he's capable of being a superstar or elite qb with that sample size in his lifetime.

Haha. TBF, Kyle also said Trey is a FQB after 2 games, Brock after 8 and Darnold after no games here. LOL

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by tankle104:
I'm still shocked that we used 3 first round picks and moved up to third overall for a qb with 417 pass attempts in his life (99 in highschool & 318 in college) and and 28 total starts ( 9 in HS & 19 in college). Especially with all the games at a very low division level.

that's a bigger gamble than making jimmy the highest paid qb in nfl history after 5 starts. Lmao

i was so shocked when we took him because no one, including Lance, has any freakin idea of what this guy is capable of. Lol wild. I hope it works out but idk how anyone can say he's capable of being a superstar or elite qb with that sample size in his lifetime.

Haha. TBF, Kyle also said Trey is a FQB after 2 games, Brock after 8 and Darnold after no games here. LOL

Kind of. He said they have franchise level talent but said only ones played like a franchise qb - Brock.

Kyle should be banned from the war room if Lance doesn't work out. Lmao cause I'm pretty sure a majority of our misses in the first three rounds can be traced back to him. Lmao I love him as our HC/OC but not as a talent evaluator.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by tankle104:
I'm still shocked that we used 3 first round picks and moved up to third overall for a qb with 417 pass attempts in his life (99 in highschool & 318 in college) and and 28 total starts ( 9 in HS & 19 in college). Especially with all the games at a very low division level.

that's a bigger gamble than making jimmy the highest paid qb in nfl history after 5 starts. Lmao

i was so shocked when we took him because no one, including Lance, has any freakin idea of what this guy is capable of. Lol wild. I hope it works out but idk how anyone can say he's capable of being a superstar or elite qb with that sample size in his lifetime.

Haha. TBF, Kyle also said Trey is a FQB after 2 games, Brock after 8 and Darnold after no games here. LOL

Kind of. He said they have franchise level talent but said only ones played like a franchise qb - Brock.

Kyle should be banned from the war room if Lance doesn't work out. Lmao cause I'm pretty sure a majority of our misses in the first three rounds can be traced back to him. Lmao I love him as our HC/OC but not as a talent evaluator.

That made me chuckle!

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by tankle104:
I'm still shocked that we used 3 first round picks and moved up to third overall for a qb with 417 pass attempts in his life (99 in highschool & 318 in college) and and 28 total starts ( 9 in HS & 19 in college). Especially with all the games at a very low division level.

that's a bigger gamble than making jimmy the highest paid qb in nfl history after 5 starts. Lmao

i was so shocked when we took him because no one, including Lance, has any freakin idea of what this guy is capable of. Lol wild. I hope it works out but idk how anyone can say he's capable of being a superstar or elite qb with that sample size in his lifetime.

Haha. TBF, Kyle also said Trey is a FQB after 2 games, Brock after 8 and Darnold after no games here. LOL

Kind of. He said they have franchise level talent but said only ones played like a franchise qb - Brock.

Kyle should be banned from the war room if Lance doesn't work out. Lmao cause I'm pretty sure a majority of our misses in the first three rounds can be traced back to him. Lmao I love him as our HC/OC but not as a talent evaluator.

That made me chuckle!

Lol all jokes aside - I think he's actually good at identifying talent. I think he usually misses on things like Character, work ethic, love for the game etc. which are critical in the pros.

people can knock Trey and be critical of his inexperience
but I think it's clear he has those traits. If I'm not mistaken, he was considered a gold helmet.

Originally posted by Waterbear:
I've never understood that argument.

Because more arm strength =/= higher ceiling.

But also... you can't get mad at posters who believe Trey has a higher ceiling when you yourself are putting limitations on Trey's ceiling in your own mind after only 3 games.

I've tried to refrain from making statements about ceilings for Trey and Purdy, because I could honestly see either one of them or both become a top 5 QB, they just have different skill sets.

I'm not sure I've ever commented on his ceiling outside of saying he wasn't as talented physically as guys like Mahomes, Allen, or Herbert.

I don't subscribe to the ceiling argument when it comes to QBs, especially based on physical traits. That was the point of my very short post.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
anyone else hoping Brock gets healthy then it's an open QB comp for the ages with all three

He will be ready to go by tc