Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Darnold gonna give TL a run for his money and that's what you want, imagine at RB do we want crap RBs next to Mitch to guarantee him the two spot? why do ppl want that at QB and not any other position?

because their evaluation is based on emotion, they "believe" in TL, while ignoring his performances...

I guarantee you haven't went back to watch a single TL start in more detail and I question whether you even watched the starts when they happened.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by tankle104:
I wonder if QBs decided to not sign here because we have three guys that they had no chance of beating out for a roster spot.

Darnold signed here with 2 QBs he has no chance of beating, short of injury, so I doubt it.

We will see. I think and some Jack Off had this take also, Sam and TL will compete and Sam will have to win it pretty clearly, if it's close it goes to TL. I was on record we would add a FA with a lot of starts, which we did, and on record it will be a comp, which it will. It's a near 50/50 imo. Sam is much more veteran, the org has more tied into TL tho.

Who is that and why should I care what he says? Darnold ain't picking up Kyle's playbook in 2 months, and knowing what I do about him, I would bet my house and everything I own that he would play Trey over a guy reading WCO For Dummies.

He covers 49ers for a living, kinda like us here on the WZ, yet he gets paid and we don't

TL can improve but SD can learn it that's why KS hired him, he learns a new system every season

Mr Hammer just tweeted this

According to The Edge tool over @The33rdTeamFB, Sam Darnold had a 61.9% completion rate on throws over 21 yards last season. Fourth best among QB's with at least 360 snaps. (Darnold had 363)

— Jack Hammer (@JackHammer_NFL) May 2, 2023

Lol whoaaaaa he beat out super stars in Kenny Pickett and Andy Dalton . 4th place is Jimmy . And I'm not sure "accuracy" in this case equals completion percentage but I'm guessing so. It's a cool fantasy football and betting site though nonetheless.

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by KiwiM3:

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:
People still think we wanted to trade Lance.

We did for the right price.

That Ian Rappoport tweet a week or so ago might as well have been written by John Lynch it was that transparent.

By that reasoning the only player on the roster who is untouchable imo is Bosa. There is nobody who can fill his shoes.

Everyone else could be traded if the offer was THAT ridiculous.

Nobody was offering anything ridiculous for Lance therefore almost everyone understood he wasnt being traded. It made no sense at this time.

Trent Williams says hi.

Kyle also said the team would listen to trade offers for him personally, or Lynch if a team wanted either of them bad enough. I sure hope that doesn't mean faith has been lost in either of them. Anyone thinking Bosa wouldn't be traded for the right price is up in the night. This is the NFL and we all know what that stands for. The Bosa comments were made to keep people like some here from starting any rumor BS while they're working to sign him to a fairly big contract.

Exactly. When they're looking to extend someone or having a contract dispute with them they will not play the trade card because they don't want to upset that player or open up any BS in negotiations.

However when guys are under contract and not looking to cash in that offseason they have no issue saying "oh anyone is available for the right price, even us hardy har har"

Originally posted by Chance:
Thanks, man. I appreciate it.

Originally posted by Polkadots:

Originally posted by genus49:
Yes the Darnold signing. A QB with such a fine history of excellent play, I'm surprised they didn't just cut Trey and give Darnold the team all to himself...

Obviously Trey will have to show a big improvement this camp but Darnold is not some huge threat. We can speculate what the media said and how much of it came from the 49ers but fact is what they've said publicly and what they've actually done publicly points to them still believing in Trey but obviously with Brock having a leg up as QB1 due to how he performed last season.

There is more than enough said (or not said) to speculate about Trey, one way or the other. I have said as much. So, to me, it's a waste of time trying to get either side to change their tune.

However, I always wonder about the following. Let's take this example on any team other than the 49ers: Your QB1 is injured in the last game of the season. His medical timeline suggests he may be ready by week 1. As a team with good management, you plan for the worst, not the best. Your QB2 is an unknown. You have confidence in him, but he is an unknown, nonetheless. Your QB3 is AWFUL.

Wouldn't your plan be to replace QB3, since he may very well be QB2 for a while? Further, wouldn't you want your QB3 to be the best QB3 possible, without breaking the bank, since he could very well be QB1 for a while (this assumes your unknown QB2 turns out to be bad, instead of an unknown)?

It seems obvious signing Sam was the proper move. The regime is planning for the worst. An action we should all expect from a competent regime. You can draw whatever conspiracies you wish from the action, but it seems, on its face, to be the right move, not a replacement move (yet).

I said all along I love Darnold as QB3, but I don't want to see him play in any meaningful game.

He's health insurance to me. You pay a lot for it and hope you don't ever have to use it, but you know if you ever have to, you have it so you don't lose your house paying medical bills.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by tankle104:
I wonder if QBs decided to not sign here because we have three guys that they had no chance of beating out for a roster spot.

Darnold signed here with 2 QBs he has no chance of beating, short of injury, so I doubt it.

We will see. I think and some Jack Off had this take also, Sam and TL will compete and Sam will have to win it pretty clearly, if it's close it goes to TL. I was on record we would add a FA with a lot of starts, which we did, and on record it will be a comp, which it will. It's a near 50/50 imo. Sam is much more veteran, the org has more tied into TL tho.

Who is that and why should I care what he says? Darnold ain't picking up Kyle's playbook in 2 months, and knowing what I do about him, I would bet my house and everything I own that he would play Trey over a guy reading WCO For Dummies.

He covers 49ers for a living, kinda like us here on the WZ, yet he gets paid and we don't

TL can improve but SD can learn it that's why KS hired him, he learns a new system every season

Mr Hammer just tweeted this

According to The Edge tool over @The33rdTeamFB, Sam Darnold had a 61.9% completion rate on throws over 21 yards last season. Fourth best among QB's with at least 360 snaps. (Darnold had 363)

— Jack Hammer (@JackHammer_NFL) May 2, 2023

Yeah sorry, posting his tweets lends zero credence to his opinion. If Matt said it I'd probably listen, but I'd also believe Matt.

Jack Hammer is a sharp guy.

OK, convince me. Has he ever scooped one of the real beat writers? Has he ever scooped anything with truth to it?

He's the guy that spotted this, for example:

Same play, two different QB's. #49ers pic.twitter.com/IQIY8vfk7w

— Jack Hammer (@JackHammer_NFL) November 8, 2021

Jack isn't stupid but he does post with agendas. Pretty easy to manipulate people when you know what you're talking about and cherry pick things.

I'm curious what his point on that clip was too. Cuz I definitely prefer the Lance version.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/things-could-reportedly-get-awkward-for-san-francisco-49ers-and-trey-lance/ar-AA1axgwj

"I would not be surprised if the 49ers took another late quarterback here (in the draft)… First of all, this kind of goes without saying, to have the No. 3 overall pick end up being the potential third-string quarterback on your roster is awkward. And at some point there is more value out there in trading him than there is in keeping him on the roster. There's going to be some team – and maybe in August… if someone loses a quarterback, maybe Trey Lance is better on another roster," Rapoport said.

laying down truth bombs here, even though they weren't able to draft their target DTR it's going to get awkward having TL hanging around as the #3 QB considering how much draft capital was wasted on him... more value in trading him away than having him ride pine, something will get done before the season starts

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by tankle104:
I wonder if QBs decided to not sign here because we have three guys that they had no chance of beating out for a roster spot.

Darnold signed here with 2 QBs he has no chance of beating, short of injury, so I doubt it.

We will see. I think and some Jack Off had this take also, Sam and TL will compete and Sam will have to win it pretty clearly, if it's close it goes to TL. I was on record we would add a FA with a lot of starts, which we did, and on record it will be a comp, which it will. It's a near 50/50 imo. Sam is much more veteran, the org has more tied into TL tho.

Who is that and why should I care what he says? Darnold ain't picking up Kyle's playbook in 2 months, and knowing what I do about him, I would bet my house and everything I own that he would play Trey over a guy reading WCO For Dummies.

He covers 49ers for a living, kinda like us here on the WZ, yet he gets paid and we don't

TL can improve but SD can learn it that's why KS hired him, he learns a new system every season

Mr Hammer just tweeted this

According to The Edge tool over @The33rdTeamFB, Sam Darnold had a 61.9% completion rate on throws over 21 yards last season. Fourth best among QB's with at least 360 snaps. (Darnold had 363)

— Jack Hammer (@JackHammer_NFL) May 2, 2023

Yeah sorry, posting his tweets lends zero credence to his opinion. If Matt said it I'd probably listen, but I'd also believe Matt.

Jack Hammer is a sharp guy.

OK, convince me. Has he ever scooped one of the real beat writers? Has he ever scooped anything with truth to it?

He's the guy that spotted this, for example:

Same play, two different QB's. #49ers pic.twitter.com/IQIY8vfk7w

— Jack Hammer (@JackHammer_NFL) November 8, 2021

Jack isn't stupid but he does post with agendas. Pretty easy to manipulate people when you know what you're talking about and cherry pick things.

I'm curious what his point on that clip was too. Cuz I definitely prefer the Lance version.

That Trey Lance throws to the open guy and isn't afraid to throw down field.

Originally posted by Jcool:

Grindin'

— San Francisco 49ers (@49ers) May 2, 2023

Cut. That. Hair.

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/things-could-reportedly-get-awkward-for-san-francisco-49ers-and-trey-lance/ar-AA1axgwj

"I would not be surprised if the 49ers took another late quarterback here (in the draft)… First of all, this kind of goes without saying, to have the No. 3 overall pick end up being the potential third-string quarterback on your roster is awkward. And at some point there is more value out there in trading him than there is in keeping him on the roster. There's going to be some team – and maybe in August… if someone loses a quarterback, maybe Trey Lance is better on another roster," Rapoport said.

laying down truth bombs here, even though they weren't able to draft their target DTR it's going to get awkward having TL hanging around as the #3 QB considering how much draft capital was wasted on him... more value in trading him away than having him ride pine, something will get done before the season starts

Go play with your coloring book

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/things-could-reportedly-get-awkward-for-san-francisco-49ers-and-trey-lance/ar-AA1axgwj

"I would not be surprised if the 49ers took another late quarterback here (in the draft)… First of all, this kind of goes without saying, to have the No. 3 overall pick end up being the potential third-string quarterback on your roster is awkward. And at some point there is more value out there in trading him than there is in keeping him on the roster. There's going to be some team – and maybe in August… if someone loses a quarterback, maybe Trey Lance is better on another roster," Rapoport said.

laying down truth bombs here, even though they weren't able to draft their target DTR it's going to get awkward having TL hanging around as the #3 QB considering how much draft capital was wasted on him... more value in trading him away than having him ride pine, something will get done before the season starts

You must have not noticed Josh Johnson taking snaps last year.

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/things-could-reportedly-get-awkward-for-san-francisco-49ers-and-trey-lance/ar-AA1axgwj

"I would not be surprised if the 49ers took another late quarterback here (in the draft)… First of all, this kind of goes without saying, to have the No. 3 overall pick end up being the potential third-string quarterback on your roster is awkward. And at some point there is more value out there in trading him than there is in keeping him on the roster. There's going to be some team – and maybe in August… if someone loses a quarterback, maybe Trey Lance is better on another roster," Rapoport said.

laying down truth bombs here, even though they weren't able to draft their target DTR it's going to get awkward having TL hanging around as the #3 QB considering how much draft capital was wasted on him... more value in trading him away than having him ride pine, something will get done before the season starts

Highly doubt it. We went down this road with Jimmy last year, and he's a QB that would have had a market if healthy without question.

Trey's trade value as we get closer to the season is decreasing if for no other reason than team's will have their QB rooms rounded out. How often do you see QBs getting flipped right before a season starts, or during the season? And this isn't a veteran QB with experience, like Jimmy G. This is someone you'd want to get in as early as possible, get him familiar with your system, and give him the slack to go out and play through any kind of growing pains. With Jimmy, there was this idea that a team could suffer a QB injury in camp or preseason and be willing to come to the negotiating table. That idea seemed highly unrealistic and would be even less so with Trey.

At this point there doesn't seem to be any path to getting a worthwhile return trading him, at least through this coming season.

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/things-could-reportedly-get-awkward-for-san-francisco-49ers-and-trey-lance/ar-AA1axgwj

"I would not be surprised if the 49ers took another late quarterback here (in the draft)… First of all, this kind of goes without saying, to have the No. 3 overall pick end up being the potential third-string quarterback on your roster is awkward. And at some point there is more value out there in trading him than there is in keeping him on the roster. There's going to be some team – and maybe in August… if someone loses a quarterback, maybe Trey Lance is better on another roster," Rapoport said.

laying down truth bombs here, even though they weren't able to draft their target DTR it's going to get awkward having TL hanging around as the #3 QB considering how much draft capital was wasted on him... more value in trading him away than having him ride pine, something will get done before the season starts

LOL

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Highly doubt it. We went down this road with Jimmy last year, and he's a QB that would have had a market if healthy without question.

Trey's trade value as we get closer to the season is decreasing if for no other reason than team's will have their QB rooms rounded out. How often do you see QBs getting flipped right before a season starts, or during the season? And this isn't a veteran QB with experience, like Jimmy G. This is someone you'd want to get in as early as possible, get him familiar with your system, and give him the slack to go out and play through any kind of growing pains. With Jimmy, there was this idea that a team could suffer a QB injury in camp or preseason and be willing to come to the negotiating table. That idea seemed highly unrealistic and would be even less so with Trey.

At this point there doesn't seem to be any path to getting a worthwhile return trading him, at least through this coming season.

There never was. And I said this to so many, you included. Why? See: "...this isn't a veteran QB with experience, like Jimmy G. This is someone you'd want to get in as early as possible, get him familiar with your system, and give him the slack to go out and play through any kind of growing pains."

Any trade that made sense for the 49ers, would not have made sense for other teams. Any trade that made sense for other teams, would not have made sense for the 49ers. I'll never understand why so many were willing to give away Trey for pennies, or oblivious to the fact other teams were not going to pay more than pennies for Trey.