Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by JTB1974:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:
Of course it doesn't mean they are right but thats irrelevant if they've lost faith in Trey right or wrong he has no future here,If you have such little faith in Kyle when it comes to QBs shouldn't that give you doubts about Trey also?

I wanted the Niners to draft Trey before they actually did. So I had my own opinion of Trey.

If I had that little faith in Kyle it would've caused me to second guess any opinion we shared at the QB position.

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by mayo49:
I want Trey traded this draft to spice things up. But, it's wishful thinking it happens this year.

Damn dude wtf

where did he touch you?

lol

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by mayo49:
Why? You confuse me sometimes.

Moving him makes zero sense. I agree with you

Moving your son makes perfect sense from an objective professional football business perspective, but 0.00000000000% sense if you cling to a subjective faith in the unproven productivity of a poorly performing asset:

[1] Cut Your Losses - Shanalynch was forced by ownership to draft TL, that is the only scenario that makes sense, they knew they had to play him a sufficient amount to expose the ruse pick for what it is, and to demonstrate to the world the folly of their unforced error, a total blunder by ownership void of football acumen... prudent business managers ruthlessly cut their under performing assets and TL is no exception... he must must cut loose to free resources

[2] Don't Keep Throwing Good Money After Bad - Shanalynch played TL enough for the world to see he is a total bust, they had to do this to demonstrate that they need not keep investing more good money in a poorly conceived investment, another business decision that experienced managers execute with a take no prisoners attitude... stop wasting a roster space on a player that will never consistently win games for you and will never be the valued leader of the franchise

[3] The Value of Draft Picks - Shanalynch will be the first to tell you that the way to build a roster is through the draft, thus, draft picks are coveted, in any round... trading away a dead end player like TL into a draft pick, any draft pick now or in the future, is salvaging a helpless situation and making the most of it while you can, and stop the bleeding... another understood business principle, stop the bleeding now

[4] Strike While the Iron is Hot or even Luke Warm - TL's trade value is locked until OTAs for the moment (regardless of his recent practice rep marketing video tour), the more time that passes after that into preseason the lower his trade potential falls,,, their is a time decay factor here that Shanalynch understands so they will try to move him ASAP before TL plays more and exposes his limited and rapidly decreasing trade value... wait to Treyde until 2023 2-a-days and we are lucky to get anything for him... if no trade is made by the final cut down I predict they release him in favor of the 2023 rookie QB draft pick (I'm slotting DTR here, who has mountains more of productive tape, game experience, ability, and potential than TL, and is a much better QB right now)

[5] Sunk Costs are Irrelevant - TL's cap hit is a sunk cost, it's going to happen whether you trade him or not... might as well move a player that will do nothing for you and is just sucking down groceries and convert that into a potential productive asset... so you trade him for a future 3rd rounder and it creates a $5MM or $10MM cap hit depending on the date of the trade, teams would willingly pay that much to purchase a draft pick... how much would you pay to draft Fred Warner, a 3rd round pick, or Kittle a 5th round pick, or Brock Purdy a 7th round pick? Most teams in the league would jump at the chance to do that for $10 million...

[6] Trading TL Would Cause GCohn to Jump Off the GG Bridge - last but not least, nuff said

Peace out beeches, enjoy the ride to draft day...

Go 9ers and the speedy recovery of QB1 Big Cock Dirty Brock

Originally posted by DaleGribble:
Lance has been here for two offseasons plenty to be learned from that time.

Exactly! We wouldn't be seeing all the "will the Niners trade Trey" vids if Trey was the QB that Kyle and John are backing. Everything points to Purdy being the savior. Trey is on the outside looking in.

I think the point where the Trey Train was derailed was during the first training camp. The Niners thought they drafted a gazelle with a rocket arm. They then discovered that Trey is a rather clunky non elusive runner who doesn't have fluid hips. He also runs very high and he's a big target. This was Trey's death blow.

Trey was given the starting job but once he was injured and Jimmy trotted out, you could feel the sense of relief both in the locker room and the coaches faces. They almost seemed relieved to be able to pivot away from Trey.

The reading is on the wall for Trey. Trade the kid and give him a shot to salvage his career with another team. Sadly the Niners are toying with him and if he stays, I don't see anything changing. He might beat out Darnold to start the season but once Purdy is healthy enough to start, the ugly hook will occur, Trey will be benched and it ain't going to be pretty.

Trey fans will slam me for this post but oh well…..

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Chance:
Uh, seriously? You don't think a team would give up a first round pick to the player who has arguably had the best first 8 games to start a rookie QBs career? Knowing what we know now, he'd be a top 5 pick, and likely the top pick if it weren't for some mild questions on his elbow.

This is akin to saying not a single team would give up a first round pick for Burrow after his first year. Not grounded in reality.

I don't actually and I don't think he would be a top 5 pick. Again that's my opinion.

people would give up a 1st for Burrow because I'll bet most had them as there #1 overall prospect on their big board. That s**t matters. They do years worth of scouting on all of them…6 games in the NFL doesn't automatically make them the best QB in a draft or change a GMs total perspective on a prospect.

unlike fans they aren't gonna be so easily swayed off a small sample size and look at the overall picture. Toss in what that team has for a roster. You better have a shanahan level play caller and a Super Bowl roster if you're gonna bring in Brock.

It was 8 games since playoffs should count. And it was a historically good start. Give me 5 QBs in the history of the NFL that had a first 8 games as good or better to start their rookie campaign. You keep wanting to diminish what Purdy accomplished by throwing out the round he was picked. Who cares where he was drafted? QBs don't grow on trees and guys that come out playing like Purdy did over 8 games their rookie year are f**king unicorns. The fact you don't think a GM would give up a 1 for Purdy is laughable. It's 9moon levels of absurd.

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Chance:
Uh, seriously? You don't think a team would give up a first round pick to the player who has arguably had the best first 8 games to start a rookie QBs career? Knowing what we know now, he'd be a top 5 pick, and likely the top pick if it weren't for some mild questions on his elbow.

This is akin to saying not a single team would give up a first round pick for Burrow after his first year. Not grounded in reality.

I don't actually and I don't think he would be a top 5 pick. Again that's my opinion.

people would give up a 1st for Burrow because I'll bet most had them as there #1 overall prospect on their big board. That s**t matters. They do years worth of scouting on all of them…6 games in the NFL doesn't automatically make them the best QB in a draft or change a GMs total perspective on a prospect.

unlike fans they aren't gonna be so easily swayed off a small sample size and look at the overall picture. Toss in what that team has for a roster. You better have a shanahan level play caller and a Super Bowl roster if you're gonna bring in Brock.

It was 8 games since playoffs should count. And it was a historically good start. Give me 5 QBs in the history of the NFL that had a first 8 games as good or better to start their rookie campaign. You keep wanting to diminish what Purdy accomplished by throwing out the round he was picked. Who cares where he was drafted? QBs don't grow on trees and guys that come out playing like Purdy did over 8 games their rookie year are f**king unicorns. The fact you don't think a GM would give up a 1 for Purdy is laughable. It's 9moon levels of absurd.

Give us 5 QBs that had their first 8 games on a team with this much talent surrounding them. Not many have played with a skill group like CMC, Kittle, Deebo, and Aiyuk with a coach like Kyle calling the plays. Only one other QB has really.

Originally posted by 49erKing:

Originally posted by Rathof44:

Originally posted by krizay:
What Brock has now I agree is perfect. However, he doesn't need perfect IMO. Does he need weapons? YES! so does every QB. Rodgers won back to back MVPs loses his main target and misses the playoffs. Josh Allen's Jump that we talk about around here didn't come until he got Stefon Diggs. Jalen Hurts jump didn't come until he got AJ Brown and also a perfect situation. Joe Burrow offense is littered with star WRs. Justin Hebert Talent all around them. EVERY QB needs talent. Except Mahomes. That dude is in his own league.

Unfortunately for the rest of the league, you are correct. I hate that dude, his Kermit the frog voice and lame -a$$ hair cut, but you're right. If they somehow land D-Hopkins, may as well give them another one. Could put AJ Jenkins with him and he'd have 1000yds

Well he got obliterated by the Bucs a few years back. What's scary though is Mahomes + Andy Reid. They're always evolving, always adapting. They turned that vaunted Philly D into a joke. Javon Hargrave who?

True, but they learned from their mistakes and completely revamped that OL into one of the leagues best.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Chance:
Uh, seriously? You don't think a team would give up a first round pick to the player who has arguably had the best first 8 games to start a rookie QBs career? Knowing what we know now, he'd be a top 5 pick, and likely the top pick if it weren't for some mild questions on his elbow.

This is akin to saying not a single team would give up a first round pick for Burrow after his first year. Not grounded in reality.

I don't actually and I don't think he would be a top 5 pick. Again that's my opinion.

people would give up a 1st for Burrow because I'll bet most had them as there #1 overall prospect on their big board. That s**t matters. They do years worth of scouting on all of them…6 games in the NFL doesn't automatically make them the best QB in a draft or change a GMs total perspective on a prospect.

unlike fans they aren't gonna be so easily swayed off a small sample size and look at the overall picture. Toss in what that team has for a roster. You better have a shanahan level play caller and a Super Bowl roster if you're gonna bring in Brock.

It was 8 games since playoffs should count. And it was a historically good start. Give me 5 QBs in the history of the NFL that had a first 8 games as good or better to start their rookie campaign. You keep wanting to diminish what Purdy accomplished by throwing out the round he was picked. Who cares where he was drafted? QBs don't grow on trees and guys that come out playing like Purdy did over 8 games their rookie year are f**king unicorns. The fact you don't think a GM would give up a 1 for Purdy is laughable. It's 9moon levels of absurd.

Give us 5 QBs that had their first 8 games on a team with this much talent surrounding them. Not many have played with a skill group like CMC, Kittle, Deebo, and Aiyuk with a coach like Kyle calling the plays. Only one other QB has really.

Career backup Nick Foles won a SB with less

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Chance:
Uh, seriously? You don't think a team would give up a first round pick to the player who has arguably had the best first 8 games to start a rookie QBs career? Knowing what we know now, he'd be a top 5 pick, and likely the top pick if it weren't for some mild questions on his elbow.

This is akin to saying not a single team would give up a first round pick for Burrow after his first year. Not grounded in reality.

I don't actually and I don't think he would be a top 5 pick. Again that's my opinion.

people would give up a 1st for Burrow because I'll bet most had them as there #1 overall prospect on their big board. That s**t matters. They do years worth of scouting on all of them…6 games in the NFL doesn't automatically make them the best QB in a draft or change a GMs total perspective on a prospect.

unlike fans they aren't gonna be so easily swayed off a small sample size and look at the overall picture. Toss in what that team has for a roster. You better have a shanahan level play caller and a Super Bowl roster if you're gonna bring in Brock.

It was 8 games since playoffs should count. And it was a historically good start. Give me 5 QBs in the history of the NFL that had a first 8 games as good or better to start their rookie campaign. You keep wanting to diminish what Purdy accomplished by throwing out the round he was picked. Who cares where he was drafted? QBs don't grow on trees and guys that come out playing like Purdy did over 8 games their rookie year are f**king unicorns. The fact you don't think a GM would give up a 1 for Purdy is laughable. It's 9moon levels of absurd.

Give us 5 QBs that had their first 8 games on a team with this much talent surrounding them. Not many have played with a skill group like CMC, Kittle, Deebo, and Aiyuk with a coach like Kyle calling the plays. Only one other QB has really.

And with all that talent you mean to tell me Trey Lance still looked like a project not worthy of a 3rd overall pick?? Lol

When Trey was getting ran into the ground and all of us were saying "He's going to get hurt", and the broadcasters were saying "He's going to get hurt", and Steve was saying "He's going to get hurt"………

Do you not think Kyle saw the same? He saw a kid getting whac-a-moled out there like the rest of us, and he continued to run him like he's a RB. That's when I knew Kyle doesn't trust Trey to pass the ball

Originally posted by eastie:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by mayo49:
Where will you be on draft day, the Zone?

Here

Sitting next to mayo or me??

I want Trey traded this draft to spice things up. But, it's wishful thinking it happens this year.

Not gonna happen. He won't be traded until the coaches know one way or the other what they have in Trey. They invested a lot of time and energy evaluating the kid and they won't throw that out with the trash unless they are sure that he's not what they were hoping he would be. Injuries have delayed that evaluation and until they believe one way or the other that the kid is or isn't who what they thought he was, he stays. Plus, after last seasons debacle with the QB roster, playing a fourth string QB in the Championship game, I'm not sure the coaches are excited to leave the cupboard as empty as a trade would leave them.

If they get a great offer they'll probably do it. Just one of the benefits of having a guy who proved it last year.

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by mayo49:
Why? You confuse me sometimes.

Moving him makes zero sense. I agree with you

Moving your son makes perfect sense from an objective professional football business perspective, but 0.00000000000% sense if you cling to a subjective faith in the unproven productivity of a poorly performing asset:

[1] Cut Your Losses - Shanalynch was forced by ownership to draft TL, that is the only scenario that makes sense, they knew they had to play him a sufficient amount to expose the ruse pick for what it is, and to demonstrate to the world the folly of their unforced error, a total blunder by ownership void of football acumen... prudent business managers ruthlessly cut their under performing assets and TL is no exception... he must must cut loose to free resources

Stopped reading right there. It's verifiably false according to the only pieces of actual evidence available (as opposed to blind speculation from "sources"). I'd list the things I'm 99% you believe, things that lack any evidence at all but just fit nicely into a stQry, which is why peQple believe these things, but it's against the rules to list them here. HQwever, I can be Quite certain because you seem to clearly believe sQmething simply because it has weak explanatQry power rather than because the EVIDENCE suppQrts it, willfully ignQring Qther explanations which fit the evidence better because they dQn't have as exciting and cQntrQversial a stQry as the Qne you prefer.

There is no evidence Kyle was forced to draft anyone, and all the actual evidence suggests he chose Lance because of what Josh Allen and Mahomes did to us. Most likely due to a desire to incorporate the QB run into his offense to achieve "positionless football," and there's a chance he was convinced by Lynch, after Lynch probably said, "I told you so" about Mahomes, but that's... SPECULATION, so I'm not going to sit here and state it as fact.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Why? You confuse me sometimes.

Moving him makes zero sense. I agree with you

Moving your son makes perfect sense from an objective professional football business perspective, but 0.00000000000% sense if you cling to a subjective faith in the unproven productivity of a poorly performing asset:

[1] Cut Your Losses - Shanalynch was forced by ownership to draft TL, that is the only scenario that makes sense, they knew they had to play him a sufficient amount to expose the ruse pick for what it is, and to demonstrate to the world the folly of their unforced error, a total blunder by ownership void of football acumen... prudent business managers ruthlessly cut their under performing assets and TL is no exception... he must must cut loose to free resources

Stopped reading right there. It's verifiably false according to the only pieces of actual evidence available (as opposed to blind speculation from "sources"). I'd list the things I'm 99% you believe, things that lack any evidence at all but just fit nicely into a stQry, which is why peQple believe these things, but it's against the rules to list them here. HQwever, I can be Quite certain because you seem to clearly believe sQmething simply because it has weak explanatQry power rather than because the EVIDENCE suppQrts it, willfully ignQring Qther explanations which fit the evidence better because they dQn't have as exciting and cQntrQversial a stQry as the Qne you prefer.

There is no evidence Kyle was forced to draft anyone, and all the actual evidence suggests he chose Lance because of what Josh Allen and Mahomes did to us. Most likely due to a desire to incorporate the QB run into his offense to achieve "positionless football," and there's a chance he was convinced by Lynch, after Lynch probably said, "I told you so" about Mahomes, but that's... SPECULATION, so I'm not going to sit here and state it as fact.

If you listen to Kyles interview it does sound like he needed to be convinced. I don't think he was forced, but it doesn't seem like they were all in agreeance from the start. Come draft day though they all agreed on Trey

Originally posted by bigpete50:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:
Lance has been here for two offseasons plenty to be learned from that time.

Exactly! We wouldn't be seeing all the "will the Niners trade Trey" vids if Trey was the QB that Kyle and John are backing. Everything points to Purdy being the savior. Trey is on the outside looking in.

I think the point where the Trey Train was derailed was during the first training camp. The Niners thought they drafted a gazelle with a rocket arm. They then discovered that Trey is a rather clunky non elusive runner who doesn't have fluid hips. He also runs very high and he's a big target. This was Trey's death blow.

Trey was given the starting job but once he was injured and Jimmy trotted out, you could feel the sense of relief both in the locker room and the coaches faces. They almost seemed relieved to be able to pivot away from Trey.

The reading is on the wall for Trey. Trade the kid and give him a shot to salvage his career with another team. Sadly the Niners are toying with him and if he stays, I don't see anything changing. He might beat out Darnold to start the season but once Purdy is healthy enough to start, the ugly hook will occur, Trey will be benched and it ain't going to be pretty.

Trey fans will slam me for this post but oh well…..

It did seem like the players didn't want to waste a contending season on a QB developing. But there's not much benefit to trading him prior to camp unless there's a great offer. If Trey doesn't win the starting job over Darnold, and then prove he should keep it over Purdy, that's on him. The best QB should play, period. Because all three are young and cheap, and all three have certain talents. Most likely it will be Brock, barring some set back. But whoever it is, I'm confident it will be the best one.

As far as Trey's personal concern? I feel bad for him, but the gold helmet > his feelings. This isn't like before when we'd seen Jimmy's ceiling and thus it would make sense to spend a season developing Trey. What we've seen from Brock negates any of that, because he played well enough to win a Super Bowl last year. If it's a seven game mirage, it's still more than any QB has shown here since 2012 Kap (I'll say better than 2017 Garoppolo because Brock threw more TDs per pass and threw fewer INTs per pass). That makes Trey expendable, whereas last year, Trey made Jimmy expendable (for the right price). Because it was fine to spend the year developing a QB and limping by when you're already limited by the incumbent QB. But not when you've got one who played as well as Brock did.

EDIT-Trey is not a clunky runner. I don't feel like showing you the evidence that he has some wiggle and some burst, because we've done it fifty times and STILL we read this nonsense in this forum. It's like none of you bothered to watch when Jimmy wasn't the QB.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by mayo49:
Why? You confuse me sometimes.

Moving him makes zero sense. I agree with you

Moving your son makes perfect sense from an objective professional football business perspective, but 0.00000000000% sense if you cling to a subjective faith in the unproven productivity of a poorly performing asset:

[1] Cut Your Losses - Shanalynch was forced by ownership to draft TL, that is the only scenario that makes sense, they knew they had to play him a sufficient amount to expose the ruse pick for what it is, and to demonstrate to the world the folly of their unforced error, a total blunder by ownership void of football acumen... prudent business managers ruthlessly cut their under performing assets and TL is no exception... he must must cut loose to free resources

Stopped reading right there. It's verifiably false according to the only pieces of actual evidence available (as opposed to blind speculation from "sources"). I'd list the things I'm 99% you believe, things that lack any evidence at all but just fit nicely into a stQry, which is why peQple believe these things, but it's against the rules to list them here. HQwever, I can be Quite certain because you seem to clearly believe sQmething simply because it has weak explanatQry power rather than because the EVIDENCE suppQrts it, willfully ignQring Qther explanations which fit the evidence better because they dQn't have as exciting and cQntrQversial a stQry as the Qne you prefer.

There is no evidence Kyle was forced to draft anyone, and all the actual evidence suggests he chose Lance because of what Josh Allen and Mahomes did to us. Most likely due to a desire to incorporate the QB run into his offense to achieve "positionless football," and there's a chance he was convinced by Lynch, after Lynch probably said, "I told you so" about Mahomes, but that's... SPECULATION, so I'm not going to sit here and state it as fact.

If you listen to Kyles interview it does sound like he needed to be convinced. I don't think he was forced, but it doesn't seem like they were all in agreeance from the start. Come draft day though they all agreed on Trey

Oh, you mean the Kyle who sent John Lynch a highlight reel cut up of Lance in winter? If you listen to the interviews, he liked all three of the guys and was deciding until a week before the draft.

EDIT—Never mind, didn't see the "I don't think he was forced" part of your comment. Sorry, I get impatient with nonsense and then take it out on everyone else. Per what he said, he was never sure until the end. You had three guys who if their talents were combined would be the perfect QB, but none had everything you want. He probably settled on Trey because (a) he had the balance of the other two in terms of traits, (b) he was younger, less experienced, and thus more moldable, and (c) ran an offense with lots of play-action and under-center stuff.