Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
You said it was a top 5 stretch from Heinicke.. TL as a raw rook put up a better rating than Heinicke in his 'elite top 5' stretch...

this great top 5 stretch would have placed him 12th that season in rating, right ahead of Bridgewater and Wentz.. it was a top 12 stretch, at best

I said he has a great seven game stretch. On a f**king awful team.

Love how you just push aside a whole season of Keenum who went 12-3 and took Minn to the NFCC lol…grrr doesn't fit the narrative

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
If you just come here for the lol's due to all the nonsense, you'll have a much better time. If you're coming here for an objective discussion on QB play you'll leave disappointed

Hahahahahahahajaja. Let me know when you say something objective about our QBs

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
the only fact here is that you are doing it. So save the BS

You've been doing it for years so you can cut the s**t. Hypocrite

Thats rich coming from you. You're the biggest f**king hypocrite on this site.

HA that has and been your title in here for YEARS

never anything of substance from you….If I want to argue about QBs with zero context or get an emoji as a response I'll talk to you…outside of that not much else.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
the only fact here is that you are doing it. So save the BS

You've been doing it for years so you can cut the s**t. Hypocrite

Thats rich coming from you. You're the biggest f**king hypocrite on this site.

HA that has and been your title in here for YEARS

never anything of substance from you….If I want to argue about QBs with zero context or get an emoji as a response I'll talk to you…outside of that not much else.

You've been called out by numerous posters for that s**t. I'm not the first and certainly won't be the last. Everyone sees through your BS. If you don't like it block me.

Originally posted by BOI49er:
When we named Purdy the starter, it was absolutely inevitable teams would call and ask what do you want for that other guy. Once you answer that question, the league knows your willingness to trade him, and it doesn't take an internal leak to reach the media. When asked what I thought we might get for Lance, I suggested we might have a chance at a 2nd, so I find a 2nd and 4th for an asking price credible. Of course I don't know the validity of the rumor, but can see how it could happen.

Kyle and John have worked with Trey closely for two full years. I find it silly for people to think they don't have a very good idea of what they've got by now. Remember, Kyle would prefer we'd do away with preseason games altogether, because he can better evaluate players in practice anyway. His only value to seeing players in games is to see if they fold getting hit or under pressure. It only matters to fans how much we've seen him in games.

Tea leaves are stacking up that they just might be done with Lance. While none are conclusive, it does change the apparent probability:

Trey has not played well when given the chance. When he has played, he's gotten as many runs as you'd expect a running back to get, and certainly we can't believe that's Kyle's preferred game plan. That shows a lack of trust in him running what Kyle does want to run.

Sam Darnold was also a 3rd overall pick who went 4 and 2 last year on a sub par team, throwing an improved 7 td's to 3 picks. It was reported he was a draft day favorite of Kyle's, Kyle may have offered our 12 overall for him before being rejected and trading up for Lance, and Sam could have gotten a starting gig. It's just not logical he came here expecting to be qb3.

We all agree Trey will need more experience to have a chance of being good, but if he's qb3, that is highly unlikely. Before glass Jimmy landed in SF, the team has a 71 year history, and in that time, they started more than two quarterbacks in only 8 seasons. Most of that time, you could actually hit quarterbacks too. That gives Trey an 11 percent chance of playing at best.

We're making a big push to win a SB this year. I think even the biggest supporters of Trey will admit, if he plays a number of games, we are going to lose several of them. Who wants to do that? Who thinks Kile a and John want to do that? I think that's why Sam is here.

Trey's trade value goes down after this year if he falls to qb3. It also goes down because to trade for him next year, you must immediately decide on the guaranteed 5th year option at $20m, and Nobody is going to do that without seeing more of him than they have now. That means you are trading for him on a one year contract.

We might not save much cap space this year, but he would be off the books next year, and we've got a lot of people to pay next year.

If we could get a 2nd for Trey now, that could be a Huge boost to our SB chances. A top TE, CB, or any lineman could be just what we need to put us over the top, and these are positions that often don't go real high. Everything is worth the market price, not the original purchase price. And John and Kyle have demonstrated they are man enough to carry on looking forward, knowing nobody bats 1,000.

Gonna lose a number of games if Trey plays but Sam Darnold playing is fine?

Do people really believe the 9ers offered the 12th overall pick and the Jets said nah we want a 2 and late round picks instead? Cmon.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
You said it was a top 5 stretch from Heinicke.. TL as a raw rook put up a better rating than Heinicke in his 'elite top 5' stretch...

this great top 5 stretch would have placed him 12th that season in rating, right ahead of Bridgewater and Wentz.. it was a top 12 stretch, at best

I said he has a great seven game stretch. On a f**king awful team.

Love how you just push aside a whole season of Keenum who went 12-3 and took Minn to the NFCC lol…grrr doesn't fit the narrative

"Heinicke had a 7 game stretch of top 5 ball" notice how we are walking that one back

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
You've been called out by numerous posters for that s**t. I'm not the first and certainly won't be the last. Everyone sees through your BS. If you don't like it block me.

Lol your b******t in the QB threads is WELL documented…I can and have left the QB threads for different amounts of times only to come back and see the same idiot posts from the same people. You talking about objective healthy debate? Well let me know when you start practicing what you preach. I got zero problem with that...have yet to see that.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
You said it was a top 5 stretch from Heinicke.. TL as a raw rook put up a better rating than Heinicke in his 'elite top 5' stretch...

this great top 5 stretch would have placed him 12th that season in rating, right ahead of Bridgewater and Wentz.. it was a top 12 stretch, at best

I said he has a great seven game stretch. On a f**king awful team.

Love how you just push aside a whole season of Keenum who went 12-3 and took Minn to the NFCC lol…grrr doesn't fit the narrative

"Heinicke had a 7 game stretch of top 5 ball" notice how we are walking that one back

Notice how you haven't said anything about Keenum. Just gonna pretend I didn't post anything about him lol.

And on that team. That was top 5 ball. That roster was trash.

Same poster who's been running his mouth off about Sam's QB rating for the last 6 games lol.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
I doubt we get an answer but I am with you I don't recall any such stretch from Heinicke, he had a very good game vs Tampa in the playoffs, that was one game.

2021 W6-W12 and the 2021 Commanders did not have a great team….their top two WRs were McLaurin and Adam Humphries

Weeks 6-12(6 games)
234 ypg
69.6%
8 TDs and 5 ints

So you call this stretch elite and what Purdy did just OK. Who's the one with the agenda?

As for Case Keenum, he did have one great year in Minnesota. Bounce around elsewhere, then eventually signed on with CLE and the same system in CLE he had in Minnesota (same coach even) and when he got a chance to play in CLE (2021) his production there was matching his production in his one year in MIN. I have long since said every QB has a system. His was/is Stefanski's offense

Here's some objectivity for you. Lance has not lived up to 3 first and 3rd used on him so far. Going on year 3 we still don't know what he is or what he can be. He's gotten hurt every other game he's started, so it has made it difficult to give him the necessary reps to improve.

Brock played with his hair on fire since stepping on the field. With limited reps on top of it. Played like the QB1 we've been searching for. Can he keep it up, we'll see, but has shown he's capable of that play.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Gonna lose a number of games if Trey plays but Sam Darnold playing is fine?

Do people really believe the 9ers offered the 12th overall pick and the Jets said nah we want a 2 and late round picks instead? Cmon.

Dude it's f**king insane.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Does every QB that plays like a top 5 QB for any small stretch of time have the ceiling of a top 5 QB?

Is ceiling a real thing?

If it means the peak that they can consistently be long term, then yeah.

I don't think ceiling is a real thing, it's just fan talk meaning this guy is really toolsy, usually.

I think there's a difference between estimated ceiling and actual ceiling. Actual ceiling can only be known in hindsight.

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Here's some objectivity for you. Lance has not lived up to 3 first and 3rd used on him so far. Going on year 3 we still don't know what he is or what he can be. He's gotten hurt every other game he's started, so it has made it difficult to give him the necessary reps to improve.

Brock played with his hair on fire since stepping on the field. With limited reps on top of it. Played like the QB1 we've been searching for. Can he keep it up, we'll see, but has shown he's capable of that play.

And I don't disagree with that.

I also did see issues with Brock down the stretch. Late on reads. Internal clock in the pocket slowed down. Saw some bad throws…I expect that with any rookie. NOW if he doesn't maintain that level of play or it becomes more up and down then what? We gonna play this out like Jimmy all over again? We not gonna put Lance in to see what the QB can do? You know the guy that this franchise was so convicted in they made the biggest trade in franchise history for?

we gonna let Brock develop and play through his ups and downs? I'm told we can't do that.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Notice how you haven't said anything about Keenum. Just gonna pretend I didn't post anything about him lol.

And on that team. That was top 5 ball. That roster was trash.

I agree with your overall point that we can't be sold on what Purdy is going to be going forward. Having said that, it's not an either/or choice with Purdy and Lance. If Lance doesn't take the job this offseason and Purdy regresses, that doesn't mean the team defaults to developing Lance going forward. They'll probably look for a new option. Lance's development timeline is independent of Purdy and both have to be weighed against the team's current position.

Also I don't think Keenum is a great comparison. He definitely played well for the Vikings through the 17 season but he also didn't have strong playoff performances and the regression that followed was on a different team.

Originally posted by krizay:
Weeks 6-12(6 games)
234 ypg
69.6%
8 TDs and 5 ints

So you call this stretch elite and what Purdy did just OK. Who's the one with the agenda?

As for Case Keenum

And 95.7 QB rating on a f**king awful team. TDs and INTs have just as much to do with the rest of the team as it does with QB play. You and I both know that.