Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by tankle104:
To be fair to mac, belichick shafted him with the coaches in his second year. A defensive coordinator who is notorious for being a difficult a-hole; as your offensive coordinator? Just a horrid decision.

jones didn't do himself any favors either but that's tough. Mcdaniels is a questionable head coach but a very good offensive coordinator who designs a good system.

i don't think jones has been anything to run home about, but I think he deserves one more season with this new OC. See how it goes.

Point was if Mac was a pro bowl year 1 level player a change in OC shouldn't have turned him into an ugly duckling.

Ah, well him making the pro bowl was weird anyways. There's been a ton of guys making the pro bowl that I thought were a joke.

i think part of it is the lack of top QBs in the league right now. You go back five years ago and there were a lot of top tier guys. Now, maybe Rodgers is the best in the NFC? Maybe hurts? Hurts had an awesome season but it's debatable if he's elite, yet. I think he's teetering. if he has a little improvement in his pass game this year, and continues running the same way, I'd call him elite. It was just tough cause his shoulder injury to really gauge him against top teams.

I'm excited to watch him next season on a less talented roster to see how he does. He's a really tough guy mentally. Dude doesn't have a whiny bone in his body.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Just saw Lance Zierlein's newest mock. He has the Pats moving on from Mac and drafting….Anthony Richardson. Krizay would have a meltdown and I'm here for it

If tbe 9ers did tbst I would have a melt down. I'm 100% all in with Brock. Haven't cared about Mac for months. That's you and 49ereva's thing. Ya'll bring him up ever chance you get. Nice try tho

Originally posted by genus49:
Tell me if these are the same to you

49ers offered up #12 overall to Jets but Jets didn't like the timing because they were concerned about Zach Wilson's shoulder(which he played through that season to many accolades btw)

or

49ers looked into trading for Darnold before moving up to 3 to take Lance.

As for the 2nd part - you're making assumptions off reports which paint a certain picture and think how you're reading the situation is correct. If you look at the details the trade up points to exactly what happened - which is the 49ers taking a guy with a great deal of buzz about his intangibles and the physical tools to be considered a top 5 draft pick.

Originally posted by genus49:
Tell me if these are the same to you

49ers offered up #12 overall to Jets but Jets didn't like the timing because they were concerned about Zach Wilson's shoulder(which he played through that season to many accolades btw)

or

49ers looked into trading for Darnold before moving up to 3 to take Lance.

As for the 2nd part - you're making assumptions off reports which paint a certain picture and think how you're reading the situation is correct. If you look at the details the trade up points to exactly what happened - which is the 49ers taking a guy with a great deal of buzz about his intangibles and the physical tools to be considered a top 5 draft pick.

All you had to do is read.

whom they've continuously been eyeing as potentially the new face of their franchise.

Not the same article but the date of this article clearly before the 21 drsft

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2938687-49ers-trade-rumors-sf-discussed-sam-darnold-deal-before-moving-to-no-3

My assumption is based from Shanahan himself saying it was between both guys. Then saying but they couldn't dive I to Trey until after the trade up because they would of had to be sneaky

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by genus49:
Tell me if these are the same to you

49ers offered up #12 overall to Jets but Jets didn't like the timing because they were concerned about Zach Wilson's shoulder(which he played through that season to many accolades btw)

or

49ers looked into trading for Darnold before moving up to 3 to take Lance.

As for the 2nd part - you're making assumptions off reports which paint a certain picture and think how you're reading the situation is correct. If you look at the details the trade up points to exactly what happened - which is the 49ers taking a guy with a great deal of buzz about his intangibles and the physical tools to be considered a top 5 draft pick.

Originally posted by genus49:
Tell me if these are the same to you

49ers offered up #12 overall to Jets but Jets didn't like the timing because they were concerned about Zach Wilson's shoulder(which he played through that season to many accolades btw)

or

49ers looked into trading for Darnold before moving up to 3 to take Lance.

As for the 2nd part - you're making assumptions off reports which paint a certain picture and think how you're reading the situation is correct. If you look at the details the trade up points to exactly what happened - which is the 49ers taking a guy with a great deal of buzz about his intangibles and the physical tools to be considered a top 5 draft pick.

All you had to do is read.

whom they've continuously been eyeing as potentially the new face of their franchise.

Not the same article but the date of this article clearly before the 21 drsft

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2938687-49ers-trade-rumors-sf-discussed-sam-darnold-deal-before-moving-to-no-3

My assumption is based from Shanahan himself saying it was between both guys. Then saying but they couldn't dive I to Trey until after the trade up because they would of had to be sneaky

KS clearly values both TL and Sam a lot. Sam may have the edge here as he has 55 starts to TLs 4. I feel this comp will be wide open as most are predicting.

Originally posted by krizay:
If tbe 9ers did tbst I would have a melt down. I'm 100% all in with Brock. Haven't cared about Mac for months. That's you and 49ereva's thing. Ya'll bring him up ever chance you get. Nice try tho

Lol and yet you copy/paste clips from a different article to prove something about Jones…sure sure dude 😉

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by genus49:
Tell me if these are the same to you

49ers offered up #12 overall to Jets but Jets didn't like the timing because they were concerned about Zach Wilson's shoulder(which he played through that season to many accolades btw)

or

49ers looked into trading for Darnold before moving up to 3 to take Lance.

As for the 2nd part - you're making assumptions off reports which paint a certain picture and think how you're reading the situation is correct. If you look at the details the trade up points to exactly what happened - which is the 49ers taking a guy with a great deal of buzz about his intangibles and the physical tools to be considered a top 5 draft pick.

Originally posted by genus49:
Tell me if these are the same to you

49ers offered up #12 overall to Jets but Jets didn't like the timing because they were concerned about Zach Wilson's shoulder(which he played through that season to many accolades btw)

or

49ers looked into trading for Darnold before moving up to 3 to take Lance.

As for the 2nd part - you're making assumptions off reports which paint a certain picture and think how you're reading the situation is correct. If you look at the details the trade up points to exactly what happened - which is the 49ers taking a guy with a great deal of buzz about his intangibles and the physical tools to be considered a top 5 draft pick.

All you had to do is read.

whom they've continuously been eyeing as potentially the new face of their franchise.

Not the same article but the date of this article clearly before the 21 drsft

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2938687-49ers-trade-rumors-sf-discussed-sam-darnold-deal-before-moving-to-no-3

My assumption is based from Shanahan himself saying it was between both guys. Then saying but they couldn't dive I to Trey until after the trade up because they would of had to be sneaky

Hey thanks for the condescending tone!

Guess what...the article you posted and the article I read didnt' state what you posted. Which is why I questioned where you got that particular report from and pointed out that you're inferring things from BS reports.

Noticed you ignored the actual question because you clearly understand the difference in both reports.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by genus49:
Tell me if these are the same to you

49ers offered up #12 overall to Jets but Jets didn't like the timing because they were concerned about Zach Wilson's shoulder(which he played through that season to many accolades btw)

or

49ers looked into trading for Darnold before moving up to 3 to take Lance.

As for the 2nd part - you're making assumptions off reports which paint a certain picture and think how you're reading the situation is correct. If you look at the details the trade up points to exactly what happened - which is the 49ers taking a guy with a great deal of buzz about his intangibles and the physical tools to be considered a top 5 draft pick.

Originally posted by genus49:
Tell me if these are the same to you

49ers offered up #12 overall to Jets but Jets didn't like the timing because they were concerned about Zach Wilson's shoulder(which he played through that season to many accolades btw)

or

49ers looked into trading for Darnold before moving up to 3 to take Lance.

As for the 2nd part - you're making assumptions off reports which paint a certain picture and think how you're reading the situation is correct. If you look at the details the trade up points to exactly what happened - which is the 49ers taking a guy with a great deal of buzz about his intangibles and the physical tools to be considered a top 5 draft pick.

All you had to do is read.

whom they've continuously been eyeing as potentially the new face of their franchise.

Not the same article but the date of this article clearly before the 21 drsft

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2938687-49ers-trade-rumors-sf-discussed-sam-darnold-deal-before-moving-to-no-3

My assumption is based from Shanahan himself saying it was between both guys. Then saying but they couldn't dive I to Trey until after the trade up because they would of had to be sneaky

KS clearly values both TL and Sam a lot. Sam may have the edge here as he has 55 starts to TLs 4. I feel this comp will be wide open as most are predicting.

If Darnold has an edge here then Kyle needs to have his draft privileges taken away.

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
I'd love all of these expert opinions that can judge a guy off of 3.25 games in the draft forum to lend their keen football minds to analyzing players that will be available in picks 100 through 200. I won't hold my breath though.

Meh, even QB guru Kyle Shanahan missed drafting Brock 6 times before nabbing him in the 7th. At most, a good GM is right (in the first round at least) about 30% of the time. There was an article back last year (or the year before) stating that for most first round picks - only about 30%-ish percent of rookies get a 2nd contract with their original team. Which means something like 70% (or something like that) are first round misses, and that percentages go down after as the rounds get lower. Point being, a blind monkey would probably do as good a job as any average GM or fan out there in picking players in the draft.

Kyle is a lot of things, but he's never been a QB guru. Where are you getting that from? He's a great play caller and designer, but not QB guru. As for everything else, what was your purpose in sharing that?

If anything he's a WR guru. But his system is QB friendly.

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Kyles history of drafting/not drafting a qb actually proves he's not very good at identifying great qb prospects. Let's just exclude Lance from this discussion for sake of argument.

the best ones he's ever drafted was Kirk cousins. We needed a qb bad in 2017 and passed up on numerous guys that went in the first round like mahommes, Watson, jackson. Etc all because he thought he could get cousins in the off season. If you're special at identifying that stuff - you wouldn't of passed up on those other guys in the first round, others noticied it and not him.

he's excellent at developing, scheming, getting the most out of them, but not necessarily at picking a prospect. I love him as our coach and want him here a long time, can't be awesome at everything!

honestly, there are some folks on here that would do a better job drafting than a lot of GMs.

Jackson was not 2017.

I keep mixing which came in when. Regardless, points same. If he was some wonderful special qb prospect identifier, we would have Mahomes etc or before signing jimmy he would have looked ahead and got Allen or Jackson or someone else.

It ain't about being able to identify that kind of potential or talent, or spotting a diamond in the rough. Coaches that can do that don't exist. It is about seeing some traits and intangibles that can't be taught, and then teaching them the rest. I believe there is zero chance Mahomes would be the player he is today if he played for anyone other than Reid, just like I think had Alex Smith played his entire career under Reid, he'd be a completely different player.

I believe you're mistaken. Your argument might be true for most QBs, but it's not true for guys who the whole world knows is going to the Hall of Fame by his second year. Mahomes is just the wrong quarterback to make that argument with. He was HoF bound no matter who took him. I think it's pretty clear what makes him great is his absurd talent, both physical and mental. Yeah, it might have taken more time for him to tune down the turnovers and get more discipline, but from day one in his first preseason game he was making spectacular plays. Sadly it was against us. Scramble, running toward the goal line, stopping on a dime and firing a jump pass for a TD. Honestly it's infuriating. He should have definitely been playing on the field with the 49ers that day, except as our QB.

Nevertheless, point is, you can't coach the things that make him great. The coaching was getting him to learn how to stay within the system, to manage his risk taking. If he didn't get that coaching early, he'd have figured that out himself after a few years, much like Alex figured out that he has to grow a pair and take risks. And for the love of all that is holy, please don't even mention Johnny Cocaine. The talent differential between Manziel and Mahomes would drench you in shame if you made that argument. There has not been a QB like him, except maybe, maybe Aaron Rodgers. (Brett Favre had a similar game and talent but he didn't have the same mental ability; same with Elway).

And hell, you can't even really make that argument about Josh Allen, because it was Allen's own determination and private coaching that improved his accuracy to where he could become a viable QB and exploit his talent.No head coach was going to fix his problems. He fixed them, with his own discipline and determination.

When a guy has both the physical talent to dominate as well as "it," meaning the mental necessities, along with the right character, it's only a matter of time before he becomes a great one.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by genus49:
Tell me if these are the same to you

49ers offered up #12 overall to Jets but Jets didn't like the timing because they were concerned about Zach Wilson's shoulder(which he played through that season to many accolades btw)

or

49ers looked into trading for Darnold before moving up to 3 to take Lance.

As for the 2nd part - you're making assumptions off reports which paint a certain picture and think how you're reading the situation is correct. If you look at the details the trade up points to exactly what happened - which is the 49ers taking a guy with a great deal of buzz about his intangibles and the physical tools to be considered a top 5 draft pick.

Originally posted by genus49:
Tell me if these are the same to you

49ers offered up #12 overall to Jets but Jets didn't like the timing because they were concerned about Zach Wilson's shoulder(which he played through that season to many accolades btw)

or

49ers looked into trading for Darnold before moving up to 3 to take Lance.

As for the 2nd part - you're making assumptions off reports which paint a certain picture and think how you're reading the situation is correct. If you look at the details the trade up points to exactly what happened - which is the 49ers taking a guy with a great deal of buzz about his intangibles and the physical tools to be considered a top 5 draft pick.

All you had to do is read.

whom they've continuously been eyeing as potentially the new face of their franchise.

Not the same article but the date of this article clearly before the 21 drsft

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2938687-49ers-trade-rumors-sf-discussed-sam-darnold-deal-before-moving-to-no-3

My assumption is based from Shanahan himself saying it was between both guys. Then saying but they couldn't dive I to Trey until after the trade up because they would of had to be sneaky

KS clearly values both TL and Sam a lot. Sam may have the edge here as he has 55 starts to TLs 4. I feel this comp will be wide open as most are predicting.

Both of them better come thinking their careers are on the line, because they are.

Originally posted by genus49:
If Darnold has an edge here then Kyle needs to have his draft privileges taken away.

Yeah and Darnold doesn't even know the offense. Also Darnold is not exactly high in football IQ and the mental game. So it might take him longer than most QB's to learn Kyle's offense.

Originally posted by genus49:
Hey thanks for the condescending tone!

Guess what...the article you posted and the article I read didnt' state what you posted. Which is why I questioned where you got that particular report from and pointed out that you're inferring things from BS reports.

Noticed you ignored the actual question because you clearly understand the difference in both reports.

I literally said in my 1st post it was reported except for the compensation part. The articles weren't the same because I had already spent more time researching for it than I cared to.

And to answer the question it is the same

Originally posted by JTB1974:

Originally posted by genus49:
If Darnold has an edge here then Kyle needs to have his draft privileges taken away.

Yeah and Darnold doesn't even know the offense. Also Darnold is not exactly high in football IQ and the mental game. So it might take him longer than most QB's to learn Kyle's offense.

Whereas Trey does and this is his 3rd training camp in the offense.

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by JTB1974:

Originally posted by genus49:
If Darnold has an edge here then Kyle needs to have his draft privileges taken away.

Yeah and Darnold doesn't even know the offense. Also Darnold is not exactly high in football IQ and the mental game. So it might take him longer than most QB's to learn Kyle's offense.

Whereas Trey does and this is his 3rd training camp in the offense.

Someone yesterday posted that Darnold does have some experience in a Shanahan offense (Mike Shanahan)

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
KS clearly values both TL and Sam a lot. Sam may have the edge here as he has 55 starts to TLs 4. I feel this comp will be wide open as most are predicting.

Bad experience is not advantageous. Have to unlearn more bad stuff.

Atlantic did a deep dive on Darnolds issues. Him seeing ghosts is a recurring problem.