Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Being a pro bowl QB hasn't meant anything for over 10 years

Especially when you only are one because everyone else backs out.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
they ain't doing that lol

BB legacy is set in stone.. but we gotta say TB12, without that man, BB is having some problems

TL and Mac are question marks, hard to deal out.. I mean if a great all time coach can't work with you, which is presumably the reason for the trade, if you are rubbing BB the wrong way, why would teams sign up for that?

It's like with TL, why would teams sign up for a QB getting pushed by Darnold who can't stay on the field?

Mac actually played well year 1. Year 2 sucked but they admitted (NE front office) that they weren't aggressive enough to get WR talent. Changed coaching on O, added Juju, a TE. Mac had the stereotypical sophomore slump. Unless they are going in on Lamar, they aren't moving Mac.

McCorkle ain't winning them a SB. He isn't ever gonna be a complete s**t show out there, but his upside was always limited end of the day. Toss in his attitude on and off the field. f**k that guy. Thank god we didn't take him.

love how you toss out excuses for Jones, but anytime someone tosses out the same stuff for Lance on a single game…well that's an excuse lol.

If they don't think Mac is Brady 2.0 and you're in a position to go get another QB. Why not? I was told we don't owe these guys anything. Why should he get to develop and play through his struggles? Bill is trying to win it all clearly. I was told he's got to "earn it" so go get him competition. Dude almost lost his starting gig to a rookie day 3 pick.

Talk about declarative statements on a guy. He was a year 1 pro bowler.

I refuse to play your game of looking at a loss to 3 win Chicago and saying everything was roses, it wasn't.

He was and soon as McDaniels left and Pats fans were expecting a huge improvement from Mac after he went on a diet I said to each of them...talk to me after this season without McDaniels.

Dude babied the hell out of Mac last year. VERY few throws into tight windows. His guys were wide open on a good 70% of his throws and another 20% were easy throws but with decent coverage.

I'm sure he wont' be traded and having O'Brien will help him out but there was a reason Pats fans were chanting for Zappe last year. You can smell it and I'm sure the players feel it too. Dude is on borrowed time.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
they ain't doing that lol

BB legacy is set in stone.. but we gotta say TB12, without that man, BB is having some problems

TL and Mac are question marks, hard to deal out.. I mean if a great all time coach can't work with you, which is presumably the reason for the trade, if you are rubbing BB the wrong way, why would teams sign up for that?

It's like with TL, why would teams sign up for a QB getting pushed by Darnold who can't stay on the field?

Mac actually played well year 1. Year 2 sucked but they admitted (NE front office) that they weren't aggressive enough to get WR talent. Changed coaching on O, added Juju, a TE. Mac had the stereotypical sophomore slump. Unless they are going in on Lamar, they aren't moving Mac.

McCorkle ain't winning them a SB. He isn't ever gonna be a complete s**t show out there, but his upside was always limited end of the day. Toss in his attitude on and off the field. f**k that guy. Thank god we didn't take him.

love how you toss out excuses for Jones, but anytime someone tosses out the same stuff for Lance on a single game…well that's an excuse lol.

If they don't think Mac is Brady 2.0 and you're in a position to go get another QB. Why not? I was told we don't owe these guys anything. Why should he get to develop and play through his struggles? Bill is trying to win it all clearly. I was told he's got to "earn it" so go get him competition. Dude almost lost his starting gig to a rookie day 3 pick.

Talk about declarative statements on a guy. He was a year 1 pro bowler.

I refuse to play your game of looking at a loss to 3 win Chicago and saying everything was roses, it wasn't.

He was and soon as McDaniels left and Pats fans were expecting a huge improvement from Mac after he went on a diet I said to each of them...talk to me after this season without McDaniels.

Dude babied the hell out of Mac last year. VERY few throws into tight windows. His guys were wide open on a good 70% of his throws and another 20% were easy throws but with decent coverage.

I'm sure he wont' be traded and having O'Brien will help him out but there was a reason Pats fans were chanting for Zappe last year. You can smell it and I'm sure the players feel it too. Dude is on borrowed time.

Ppl are saying the same about TL. They are in about the same spot. Not playing (injured) and playing but not playing well, both those things put you a bit on the hot seat.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Ppl are saying the same about TL. They are in about the same spot. Not playing (injured) and playing but not playing well, both those things put you a bit on the hot seat.

Difference is Lance may be on borrowed time because of the play of another QB. Pats don't think Bailey Zappe is the future.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Talk about declarative statements on a guy. He was a year 1 pro bowler.

I refuse to play your game of looking at a loss to 3 win Chicago and saying everything was roses, it wasn't.

HA he was a pro-bowler because multiple QBs declined to go. He was never named/voted as a pro-bowler…he was a replacement.

Tyler Huntley And Carr were replacement pro-bowlers this yr. So tossing out he was a year 1 pro-bowler is strawman logic.

you refuse to be objective and use your same context giving Mac a pass, but Lance doesn't get that SAME benefit for one f**king game? Not one single person say it was roses…so stop that s**t right there.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Ppl are saying the same about TL. They are in about the same spot. Not playing (injured) and playing but not playing well, both those things put you a bit on the hot seat.

Difference is Lance may be on borrowed time because of the play of another QB. Pats don't think Bailey Zappe is the future.

Why not? They drafted him, chose him over 100s of other guys. Surely they see something in him, enough to dress him and play him as a rook.

by play of another QB are you referring to BP or Sam? I think Sam may have him on the hot seat in a couple months.

Originally posted by genus49:
He was and soon as McDaniels left and Pats fans were expecting a huge improvement from Mac after he went on a diet I said to each of them...talk to me after this season without McDaniels.

Dude babied the hell out of Mac last year. VERY few throws into tight windows. His guys were wide open on a good 70% of his throws and another 20% were easy throws but with decent coverage.

I'm sure he wont' be traded and having O'Brien will help him out but there was a reason Pats fans were chanting for Zappe last year. You can smell it and I'm sure the players feel it too. Dude is on borrowed time.

He was never a legit pro-bowler…unless were talking about replacements to the replacements. Guess Tyler Huntley was a pro-bowler all the same.

that Bills game end of last yr, laid the blue print on how to defend Jones. Teams adjust and he didn't. But we can blame everything else outside of his play. Our fans are incredible…they give dudes like Mac a pass but Lance after 4 random games doesn't lol. Ass backwards.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
HA he was a pro-bowler because multiple QBs declined to go. He was never named/voted as a pro-bowler…he was a replacement.

Tyler Huntley And Carr were replacement pro-bowlers this yr. So tossing out he was a year 1 pro-bowler is strawman logic.

you refuse to be objective and use your same context giving Mac a pass, but Lance doesn't get that SAME benefit for one f**king game? Not one single person say it was roses…so stop that s**t right there.

Ppl say he shows his athleticism in that game, or he had highlight reel runs (making that one dude miss), and he played well but the guys around him didn't, trust me I have heard all the chestnuts on that one.. called blowing smoke. In reality, TL said after the game, he didn't get it done, needs to get better, which is correct.

where am I giving Mac a pass? he's right where TL is, on the hot seat. You can't argue that TL has done as much as Mac yet, he hasn't. Like Jed said, it's not Trey's fault, he got injured. Year 3 will tell us more.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
they ain't doing that lol

BB legacy is set in stone.. but we gotta say TB12, without that man, BB is having some problems

TL and Mac are question marks, hard to deal out.. I mean if a great all time coach can't work with you, which is presumably the reason for the trade, if you are rubbing BB the wrong way, why would teams sign up for that?

It's like with TL, why would teams sign up for a QB getting pushed by Darnold who can't stay on the field?

Mac actually played well year 1. Year 2 sucked but they admitted (NE front office) that they weren't aggressive enough to get WR talent. Changed coaching on O, added Juju, a TE. Mac had the stereotypical sophomore slump. Unless they are going in on Lamar, they aren't moving Mac.

McCorkle ain't winning them a SB. He isn't ever gonna be a complete s**t show out there, but his upside was always limited end of the day. Toss in his attitude on and off the field. f**k that guy. Thank god we didn't take him.

love how you toss out excuses for Jones, but anytime someone tosses out the same stuff for Lance on a single game…well that's an excuse lol.

If they don't think Mac is Brady 2.0 and you're in a position to go get another QB. Why not? I was told we don't owe these guys anything. Why should he get to develop and play through his struggles? Bill is trying to win it all clearly. I was told he's got to "earn it" so go get him competition. Dude almost lost his starting gig to a rookie day 3 pick.

Talk about declarative statements on a guy. He was a year 1 pro bowler.

I refuse to play your game of looking at a loss to 3 win Chicago and saying everything was roses, it wasn't.

He was and soon as McDaniels left and Pats fans were expecting a huge improvement from Mac after he went on a diet I said to each of them...talk to me after this season without McDaniels.

Dude babied the hell out of Mac last year. VERY few throws into tight windows. His guys were wide open on a good 70% of his throws and another 20% were easy throws but with decent coverage.

I'm sure he wont' be traded and having O'Brien will help him out but there was a reason Pats fans were chanting for Zappe last year. You can smell it and I'm sure the players feel it too. Dude is on borrowed time.

To be fair to mac, belichick shafted him with the coaches in his second year. A defensive coordinator who is notorious for being a difficult a-hole; as your offensive coordinator? Just a horrid decision.

jones didn't do himself any favors either but that's tough. Mcdaniels is a questionable head coach but a very good offensive coordinator who designs a good system.

i don't think jones has been anything to run home about, but I think he deserves one more season with this new OC. See how it goes.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Everyone will probably be wrong about every top 3 QB prospect when it's all said and done, albeit delayed or not. Hopefully not but it's not looking great, even now.

Quite possibly…you at least got two years of play from Lawrence (awful rookie year/much better second half of second year). Wilson just awful overall. Dude looks like Darnold 2.0.

Lance we got 100 random passing attempts through 2 yrs. Hard to come to a conclusion there imo.

I knew Mac Jonrs was gonna role this way…he had the mental football IQ to come in and not look lost as a rookie. His lack of pretty much everything else would limit what he could be and now NE might be trying to move off him.

Fields as a runner is amazing. His QB play overall is still a work in progress. They at least let him lean on that s**t until he developed as a true passer (if it ever happens).

IMO I still wouldn't change a thing. Go take your shot. Go after that high upside…but at the very least f**king develop them. Give them a legit chance to fail.

Oh yeah. I didn't mean to include Lawrence. I meant the 3 after him (that we had a shot at).

But I agree with you.

There's still a chance for them all. Hopefully Trey...obviously. LOL

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Ppl are saying the same about TL. They are in about the same spot. Not playing (injured) and playing but not playing well, both those things put you a bit on the hot seat.

Difference is Lance may be on borrowed time because of the play of another QB. Pats don't think Bailey Zappe is the future.

Bingo.

Imagine comparing their situations when one guy has 31 starts showing what he can/cannot do and another guy with 4 starts.

Safe to say if Trey had 31 starts under his belt and wasn't offering up anything special nobody would be here talking about him being special.

Originally posted by tankle104:
To be fair to mac, belichick shafted him with the coaches in his second year. A defensive coordinator who is notorious for being a difficult a-hole; as your offensive coordinator? Just a horrid decision.

jones didn't do himself any favors either but that's tough. Mcdaniels is a questionable head coach but a very good offensive coordinator who designs a good system.

i don't think jones has been anything to run home about, but I think he deserves one more season with this new OC. See how it goes.

Point was if Mac was a pro bowl year 1 level player a change in OC shouldn't have turned him into an ugly duckling.

It's pretty clear now that they never were seriously considering taking Mac Jones. He's just not a culture fit. The poor attitude, the drunk driving, attempting to injure other players, throwing his teammates and coaches under the bus... That's not the type they go for. Maybe Kyle saw a bit of Kirk Cousins in Mac's play and lack of physical gifts, but the character concerns probably turned them off pretty quickly.

Mac is just a bad person and this organization has tried hard to avoid those types ever since the Ruben Foster fiasco (not that Ruben Foster is as bad as Mac Jones).

I think a cool improvement to the "pro bowl" would be the best players getting voted into it, but instead of playing, they coach.

Then it's a game vs the all rookie team vs all second year team.

the pro bowl has turned into a complete joke and needs a jolt. I think that would be much more entertaining and those young guys would play more competitively.

would be a great way for players to get a taste of coaching and great networking/hanging out for everyone - as well as a chance for the young guys to pick the best players minds

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Ppl say he shows his athleticism in that game, or he had highlight reel runs (making that one dude miss), and he played well but the guys around him didn't, trust me I have heard all the chestnuts on that one.. called blowing smoke. In reality, TL said after the game, he didn't get it done, needs to get better, which is correct.

where am I giving Mac a pass? he's right where TL is, on the hot seat. You can't argue that TL has done as much as Mac yet, he hasn't. Like Jed said, it's not Trey's fault, he got injured. Year 3 will tell us more.

You said the coaching and talent around Mac this yr was the problem…

I said while Lance didn't look amazing WK1. The whole team played like crap. The brand new IOL gave up pressure all game. Trent getting beat by a day 3 rookie DE. Deebo fumbling in the RZ. Jennings losing his footing (on a s**t field) for what should have been a walk in TD. Multiple blown coverages by the defense, the weather etc etc. that's apparently an excuse, while Mac's isn't?

trey hasn't had the chance to do whatever Mac has done. Jones would have been right on the butt bench YR1 all the same. We got a little over 4 QRs of Lance being our starting QB1. That's not a chance. It's been a development nightmare, partially off fluke injuries, are partially because of Kyle and Co.

if you had no intention of developing a young QB, then you shouldn't draft one in the first rd…let alone move up for them. That's on kyle and co imo.