Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
One thing not being talked about is that Trey himself is coming off a very severe injury.

Dak didn't have his mobility back for a while. I doubt Trey will be able to put his best foot forward in getting his job back. Unless Brock gets injured later this year I highly doubt Trey wins his job back.

Plus he just started throwing a month ago. Which means it's safe to assume he hadn't been able to throw the previous 5 months. That can't possibly be good for fixing those mechanics. One would think

It was his ankle, not arm. I'm sure he could still manage to throw without putting too much pressure on that ankle.

It's true Kriz, it's not adding uo to much hope for him. I still think he's worth keeping around to back up Brock until the end of his rookie deal. With our QB injury who's to say he won't get another shot.

Mayo, no, it's not his arm, but footwork and weight transition are equally (if not more so) important for throwing.

His Rookie Deal is a $9.3 million dollar cap hit this year and $10.8 million cap hit next year. That's not cheap for a backup.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Giedi:
That's too harsh. I still think Trey can become a Brock 2.0 in the passing game. What is most disappointing to me is his lack of durability. How can you develop as a QB if you need game reps but are constantly injured and can't get the game reps needed to improve. What durability Trey has shown me so far is very similar to the durability that Jimmy has. We all know why ShanaLynch gave all those draft picks for Trey in the first place.

Limited sample size but TL is markedly worse right now

JG started 64% of the time
TL 21% of the time
even if TL started all 17 games next year, he would be at 58%, would still have work to do

for this I'm just counting games missed as QB1 due to injury

Wow! those are really bad stats for Trey. I hope Trey can stay healthy for the next 17 games. It starts with conditioning and goes on from there. If he has 17 healthy games as starter or as backup next year I'm confident he can improve to where he can challenge 2022 rookie version of Brock. Of course Brock, when healthy, is going to get better as time goes on too.

Obviously those are bad stats for Trey, he got hurt 2nd game of the first season he was supposed to start in.

His finger injury is just crazy bad luck - look at Russell Wilson, dude never missed a game in his career and one day his follow through hits a helmet and he's out. That's not durability based injury.

Now we don't know how he hurt his knee vs Arizona so it would be purely speculation on how it got hurt. But that's a durability based issue.

The ankle injury is just pure crap luck no different than Brock's UCL injury or Bosa's ACL 2nd game of his 2nd season. I remember people claimed he was injury prone at that point. He hasn't missed just one start since...and I have a feeling we overlooked Atlanta or he would've been available for that game too.

As John Lynch said, sometimes you hit a bad streak of injuries and then you stay healthy for years. Hopefully that's the case with Trey but having him run like a FB definitely won't help things so hopefully Kyle and Trey both adjust.

Yeah, the 49er injury issue is indeed half fluke and half preventable, in a sense. I mean its the NFL and players will get injured. But some players do adjust - somehow - and aren't injured for a long time. (The John Lynch example)

Going on what has happened versus what might happen, Trey's durability is questionable. How does Trey improve that? I don't think its anywhere as simple as improving his mechanics, for sure. Jalen Hurd never got healthy, and Pettis never got good. I think as a coach you have to factor that into your calculations going forward.

If I was coach and knowing I have two good QBs but they are fragile, I'm investing a ton on QB protections and tweaking my offensive system to protect them as much as possible like - no more QB powers for Trey and a deeper Tight End squad for Brock.

As for Trey, if he can just stay healthy - I think he can be a good QB in this league. He has the physical talent to do it. It's the six inches behind his ears that need to take the next level and he needs game reps for that. Practice is nice, but game reps are priceless for his development. If he doesn't get it and Brock does, I think its game over for Trey. From what little I've seen from Trey, I am very confident he can play in this league and at minimum he can be as effective as Brock.

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
One thing not being talked about is that Trey himself is coming off a very severe injury.

Dak didn't have his mobility back for a while. I doubt Trey will be able to put his best foot forward in getting his job back. Unless Brock gets injured later this year I highly doubt Trey wins his job back.

Plus he just started throwing a month ago. Which means it's safe to assume he hadn't been able to throw the previous 5 months. That can't possibly be good for fixing those mechanics. One would think

It was his ankle, not arm. I'm sure he could still manage to throw without putting too much pressure on that ankle.

It's true Kriz, it's not adding uo to much hope for him. I still think he's worth keeping around to back up Brock until the end of his rookie deal. With our QB injury who's to say he won't get another shot.

Mayo, no, it's not his arm, but footwork and weight transition are equally (if not more so) important for throwing.

His Rookie Deal is a $9.3 million dollar cap hit this year and $10.8 million cap hit next year. That's not cheap for a backup.

The cap might go up double or triple that amount next year, who knows, but I don't think Trey's cap hit, as big as it seems - overall when compared to the entire 49er cap situation is a problem. Bosa's future cap hit, Deebos cap hit and Fred's cap hit (for example) is probably much more problematic, relatively speaking.

Trey is like so many young QBs that have talent but for whatever reason don't get a chance to show it. In many cases it's because the most talented guys get picked early which usually means they go to a bad team. Trey was lucky because he ended up on a team with talent but he's had injuries. Now he has more competition with Brock playing way above projections and San Darnold who has talent but has been on bad teams.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
His throwing mechanics are fine. It's the lower half that needs to be more consistent. Plain and simple. It's not rocket science as to what needs to be worked on with him.

Really? I'm not being obnoxious when I say this - I've read that his mechanics need help, which is a reason his accuracy is all over the place, but I really don't know. I honestly thought every qb worked on their mechanics (the basics) in the off season.

i figured after the better part of a year of not being able to walk/throw normally that it would be a huge focus.

Personally i think it's easier to be accurate when you can anticipate when the windows open before they open. Brock's pass to Kittle in the endzone in the Raider game is an example. He saw Kittle move and anticipated where the window was going to be (corner of the Endzone) and set and threw ahead of time. Its when a QB can't set because he can't anticipate the windows opening (example Kaepernick) no amount of mechanics can help that issue.

Trey needs the experience in throwing those plays against those defenses to get his anticipation and accuracy down. But its not just one play, I think Kyle has 300+ plays, 30+ audibles adjustments, and motions on top of those things in Kyle's playbook. Trey needs to be able to execute all 300+ plays without throwing interceptions or fumbling. Purdy can probably execute around 80%+ of Kyle's offense given his performance last year. Trey, on the other hand, looked like he could do just a couple of them - from last years sample size - maybe 10%? He looked that bad.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Trey is like so many young QBs that have talent but for whatever reason don't get a chance to show it. In many cases it's because the most talented guys get picked early which usually means they go to a bad team. Trey was lucky because he ended up on a team with talent but he's had injuries. Now he has more competition with Brock playing way above projections and San Darnold who has talent but has been on bad teams.

The thing is, I'm thinking Kyle will draft another QB to compete with Sam at the QB3 positon, and if I was Kyle, I'd be drafting another experienced QB in the 7th, one with 4 or more years of college experience. With Kyle's luck in *drafting* QBs, that's a one and three chance he gets another Brock Purdy.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Trey is like so many young QBs that have talent but for whatever reason don't get a chance to show it. In many cases it's because the most talented guys get picked early which usually means they go to a bad team. Trey was lucky because he ended up on a team with talent but he's had injuries. Now he has more competition with Brock playing way above projections and San Darnold who has talent but has been on bad teams.

The thing is, I'm thinking Kyle will draft another QB to compete with Sam at the QB3 positon, and if I was Kyle, I'd be drafting another experienced QB in the 7th, one with 4 or more years of college experience. With Kyle's luck in *drafting* QBs, that's a one and three hundred chance he gets another Brock Purdy.

I fixed it

from NBC Sports Bay Area:

"The 49ers have a quarterback battle heading into the 2023 NFL season with Brock Purdy, Trey Lance and even Sam Darnold in the mix for the starting job."

https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/49ers/brock-purdy-belongs-ahead-trey-lance-49ers-starting-qb-stat-shows

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I know this doesn't have to do with Trey Lance….but kinda funny how it's all shook out

Bill Belichick noncommittal about Mac Jones starting over Bailey Zappe. https://t.co/QJCDIseSKK

— ProFootballTalk (@ProFootballTalk) March 31, 2023

you got the studs - Lawrence, Fields
the dud - Wilson
and the question marks - TL, Mac

SF and NE putting the question marks on blast openly, hoping for a turnaround.

Originally posted by tankle104:
Really? I'm not being obnoxious when I say this - I've read that his mechanics need help, which is a reason his accuracy is all over the place, but I really don't know. I honestly thought every qb worked on their mechanics (the basics) in the off season.

i figured after the better part of a year of not being able to walk/throw normally that it would be a huge focus.

Whomever you read it from they're dumbasses. It's his footwork and just about every legit QB coach will say that's where your accuracy comes from. Footwork and timing.

he along with every QB will always be working on their mechanics. He's doing it right not with Quincy Avery then with 3DQB. They aren't going to redevelop his throwing motion though…because it's not a problem.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I know this doesn't have to do with Trey Lance….but kinda funny how it's all shook out

Bill Belichick noncommittal about Mac Jones starting over Bailey Zappe. https://t.co/QJCDIseSKK

— ProFootballTalk (@ProFootballTalk) March 31, 2023

you got the studs - Lawrence, Fields
the dud - Wilson
and the question marks - TL, Mac

SF and NE putting the question marks on blast openly, hoping for a turnaround.

I wouldn't call Fields a stud yet. His positive play was mainly with his feet. There's still question marks with this in the pocket throwing overall.

People saw Mahomes come in and dominate, which in turned f**ked every future QB who doesn't do that. s**t takes time for a lot of players.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Really? I'm not being obnoxious when I say this - I've read that his mechanics need help, which is a reason his accuracy is all over the place, but I really don't know. I honestly thought every qb worked on their mechanics (the basics) in the off season.

i figured after the better part of a year of not being able to walk/throw normally that it would be a huge focus.

Whomever you read it from they're dumbasses. It's his footwork and just about every legit QB coach will say that's where your accuracy comes from. Footwork and timing.

he along with every QB will always be working on their mechanics. He's doing it right not with Quincy Avery then with 3DQB. They aren't going to redevelop his throwing motion though…because it's not a problem.

I think it was all lower body stuff that they were focusing on.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Really? I'm not being obnoxious when I say this - I've read that his mechanics need help, which is a reason his accuracy is all over the place, but I really don't know. I honestly thought every qb worked on their mechanics (the basics) in the off season.

i figured after the better part of a year of not being able to walk/throw normally that it would be a huge focus.

This! I for one don't look at mechanics. A lot of QBs have had funky deliveries and such. All I care about is the ball ending up where it's supposed to. The mechanics stuff as you said, was brought up as to why he's inaccurate. Which if that is true and he thinks he's in a good place then....

Yes, there is truth to all statements. I have read it's really footwork for accuracy which is what I think we all agree in his limited play can improve.

This is the truth of it….Lance has also stated that's what they've been working on is footwork and timing. Overall you need legit meaningful reps to be confident in your reads which is also part of timing.

Unfortunately that was taken away from him this past yr.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I know this doesn't have to do with Trey Lance….but kinda funny how it's all shook out

Bill Belichick noncommittal about Mac Jones starting over Bailey Zappe. https://t.co/QJCDIseSKK

— ProFootballTalk (@ProFootballTalk) March 31, 2023

you got the studs - Lawrence, Fields
the dud - Wilson
and the question marks - TL, Mac

SF and NE putting the question marks on blast openly, hoping for a turnaround.

I wouldn't call Fields a stud yet. His positive play was mainly with his feet. There's still question marks with this in the pocket throwing overall.

People saw Mahomes come in and dominate, which in turned f**ked every future QB who doesn't do that. s**t takes time for a lot of players.

Yeah JF is a stud.. and remember I was talking Jalen Hurts a year ago at this time.. when ppl were telling me on here Minshew would start

Originally posted by thl408:
I think it was all lower body stuff that they were focusing on.

Which is exactly what he needs to work on….when someone says something about his throwing motion and it being related to inaccurate passes…it's like nails on a chalk board for me lol. People that complain about that, have no idea what they're talking about.