Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
One thing not being talked about is that Trey himself is coming off a very severe injury.

Dak didn't have his mobility back for a while. I doubt Trey will be able to put his best foot forward in getting his job back. Unless Brock gets injured later this year I highly doubt Trey wins his job back.

Plus he just started throwing a month ago. Which means it's safe to assume he hadn't been able to throw the previous 5 months. That can't possibly be good for fixing those mechanics. One would think

It was his ankle, not arm. I'm sure he could still manage to throw without putting too much pressure on that ankle.

It's true Kriz, it's not adding uo to much hope for him. I still think he's worth keeping around to back up Brock until the end of his rookie deal. With our QB injury who's to say he won't get another shot.

Mayo, no, it's not his arm, but footwork and weight transition are equally (if not more so) important for throwing.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
One thing not being talked about is that Trey himself is coming off a very severe injury.

Dak didn't have his mobility back for a while. I doubt Trey will be able to put his best foot forward in getting his job back. Unless Brock gets injured later this year I highly doubt Trey wins his job back.

Plus he just started throwing a month ago. Which means it's safe to assume he hadn't been able to throw the previous 5 months. That can't possibly be good for fixing those mechanics. One would think

It was his ankle, not arm. I'm sure he could still manage to throw without putting too much pressure on that ankle.

It's true Kriz, it's not adding uo to much hope for him. I still think he's worth keeping around to back up Brock until the end of his rookie deal. With our QB injury who's to say he won't get another shot.

Mayo, no, it's not his arm, but footwork and weight transition are equally (if not more so) important for throwing.

Yeah, but he can throw with one foot or be sitting on a chair and throw. As long as he keeps the arm in condition, it shouldn't matter what's going on with the ankle.

Originally posted by mayo49:
Yeah, but he can throw with one foot or be sitting on a chair and throw. As long as he keeps the arm in condition, it shouldn't matter what's going on with the ankle.

Yes, but he just started taking drop backs and such a month ago.

That being said, he doesn't think he needs to work on that anyway.

San Francisco 49ers quarterback Trey Lance (ankle, leg) said that he wouldn't be focusing on his throwing mechanics early in the offseason. "I feel like I'm in a really good spot," Lance said. He plans to remain in Santa Clara, Calif., for around the next three weeks to finish up his rehab before working on some other things. "I feel like I've got a much better plan this offseason. I said the same things last year.

His throwing mechanics are fine. It's the lower half that needs to be more consistent. Plain and simple. It's not rocket science as to what needs to be worked on with him.

I know this doesn't have to do with Trey Lance….but kinda funny how it's all shook out

Originally posted by NYniner85:
His throwing mechanics are fine. It's the lower half that needs to be more consistent. Plain and simple. It's not rocket science as to what needs to be worked on with him.

Really? I'm not being obnoxious when I say this - I've read that his mechanics need help, which is a reason his accuracy is all over the place, but I really don't know. I honestly thought every qb worked on their mechanics (the basics) in the off season.

i figured after the better part of a year of not being able to walk/throw normally that it would be a huge focus.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I know this doesn't have to do with Trey Lance….but kinda funny how it's all shook out

Bill Belichick noncommittal about Mac Jones starting over Bailey Zappe. https://t.co/QJCDIseSKK

— ProFootballTalk (@ProFootballTalk) March 31, 2023

Yeah, so far out of that draft, only two qb have had their team make a commitment (Lawrence & Fields (he's still tbd)) . Mac Jones making the pro bowl was a joke. Lol

Originally posted by tankle104:
Really? I'm not being obnoxious when I say this - I've read that his mechanics need help, which is a reason his accuracy is all over the place, but I really don't know. I honestly thought every qb worked on their mechanics (the basics) in the off season.

i figured after the better part of a year of not being able to walk/throw normally that it would be a huge focus.

This! I for one don't look at mechanics. A lot of QBs have had funky deliveries and such. All I care about is the ball ending up where it's supposed to. The mechanics stuff as you said, was brought up as to why he's inaccurate. Which if that is true and he thinks he's in a good place then....

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Really? I'm not being obnoxious when I say this - I've read that his mechanics need help, which is a reason his accuracy is all over the place, but I really don't know. I honestly thought every qb worked on their mechanics (the basics) in the off season.

i figured after the better part of a year of not being able to walk/throw normally that it would be a huge focus.

This! I for one don't look at mechanics. A lot of QBs have had funky deliveries and such. All I care about is the ball ending up where it's supposed to. The mechanics stuff as you said, was brought up as to why he's inaccurate. Which if that is true and he thinks he's in a good place then....

Yes, there is truth to all statements. I have read it's really footwork for accuracy which is what I think we all agree in his limited play can improve.

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Really? I'm not being obnoxious when I say this - I've read that his mechanics need help, which is a reason his accuracy is all over the place, but I really don't know. I honestly thought every qb worked on their mechanics (the basics) in the off season.

i figured after the better part of a year of not being able to walk/throw normally that it would be a huge focus.

This! I for one don't look at mechanics. A lot of QBs have had funky deliveries and such. All I care about is the ball ending up where it's supposed to. The mechanics stuff as you said, was brought up as to why he's inaccurate. Which if that is true and he thinks he's in a good place then....

Well let's hope we are wrong and it improves. I'm guessing that Kyle told him it shouldn't be a big focus? Just have to roll with it and see what Happens.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by genus49:
He knows the basics of the QB, that's why Kyle Shanahan took him #3 overall. And yes we're talking mechanics because those are things that come with playing and work. Brock is older than Lance.

As for Brock's projection you can't say we've seen it when you're talking about a guy long term. We saw the impact CMC had on the offense even with Jimmy who is the only QB who we saw play without and with CMC on this roster.

The offense took a huge step forward so why is the assumption that Lance with CMC and Kittle - two guys who were huge for Brock wouldn't look better than what he looked like week 1?

It may not look the same but when you get a QB who can hurt you in more ways it makes it so you don't need the roster to be as dominant. Now that's also not fair to Brock, you play with who you play so having a good team around him doesn't necessarily mean he wouldn't have success without those guys BUT it's still a question until you see it happen.

Either way you know that there are some limitations to Brock related to his size, arm and ability as a runner(more due to his size than his legs obviously) that he will never be able to overcome. Lance doesn't have those. So IF we're talking mythological ceiling then let's be honest about it.

Neither 49er qb should be running much.
Lance has been hurt badly multiple times running the ball when he was running as often as he was completing passes.

Kyle should know this after what he saw with RGIII and Lance.

I agree. I said it before Trey's injury that I felt we were doing too many designed runs for Trey and I hope that's a lesson learned for Kyle if Trey has to play in a game for us.

I get the 11 on 11 football aspect of it but I think we can still do that without feeding Trey so much. The zone read that Deebo took for 50+ yards vs Seattle is a great example of that. Based on the look the DE gave on that play, Trey should've kept it. He handed it off anyways and we got a huge play out of it. We have a roster filled with big talent in the run game and passing game. I'd say we can use Trey's ability to keep defenses honest but even in the "zone read" plays I'd say have Trey hand it off no matter the look...unless he sees the defense is wide open for him to keep.

I'd like to keep his running ability to QB scrambles and save the designed runs in key moments and redzone situations. I also think Trey needs to adjust to the speed of the game which is why if you look at the designed runs - there is a lot more hesitation from him. Compare that with his QB scrambles where he's a lot more reactionary and there is a HUGE difference in how he moves.

Originally posted by genus49:
I agree. I said it before Trey's injury that I felt we were doing too many designed runs for Trey and I hope that's a lesson learned for Kyle if Trey has to play in a game for us.

I get the 11 on 11 football aspect of it but I think we can still do that without feeding Trey so much. The zone read that Deebo took for 50+ yards vs Seattle is a great example of that. Based on the look the DE gave on that play, Trey should've kept it. He handed it off anyways and we got a huge play out of it. We have a roster filled with big talent in the run game and passing game. I'd say we can use Trey's ability to keep defenses honest but even in the "zone read" plays I'd say have Trey hand it off no matter the look...unless he sees the defense is wide open for him to keep.

I'd like to keep his running ability to QB scrambles and save the designed runs in key moments and redzone situations. I also think Trey needs to adjust to the speed of the game which is why if you look at the designed runs - there is a lot more hesitation from him. Compare that with his QB scrambles where he's a lot more reactionary and there is a HUGE difference in how he moves.

100% agree

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Giedi:
That's too harsh. I still think Trey can become a Brock 2.0 in the passing game. What is most disappointing to me is his lack of durability. How can you develop as a QB if you need game reps but are constantly injured and can't get the game reps needed to improve. What durability Trey has shown me so far is very similar to the durability that Jimmy has. We all know why ShanaLynch gave all those draft picks for Trey in the first place.

Limited sample size but TL is markedly worse right now

JG started 64% of the time
TL 21% of the time
even if TL started all 17 games next year, he would be at 58%, would still have work to do

for this I'm just counting games missed as QB1 due to injury

Wow! those are really bad stats for Trey. I hope Trey can stay healthy for the next 17 games. It starts with conditioning and goes on from there. If he has 17 healthy games as starter or as backup next year I'm confident he can improve to where he can challenge 2022 rookie version of Brock. Of course Brock, when healthy, is going to get better as time goes on too.

Obviously those are bad stats for Trey, he got hurt 2nd game of the first season he was supposed to start in.

His finger injury is just crazy bad luck - look at Russell Wilson, dude never missed a game in his career and one day his follow through hits a helmet and he's out. That's not durability based injury.

Now we don't know how he hurt his knee vs Arizona so it would be purely speculation on how it got hurt. But that's a durability based issue.

The ankle injury is just pure crap luck no different than Brock's UCL injury or Bosa's ACL 2nd game of his 2nd season. I remember people claimed he was injury prone at that point. He hasn't missed just one start since...and I have a feeling we overlooked Atlanta or he would've been available for that game too.

As John Lynch said, sometimes you hit a bad streak of injuries and then you stay healthy for years. Hopefully that's the case with Trey but having him run like a FB definitely won't help things so hopefully Kyle and Trey both adjust.

Originally posted by genus49:
Obviously those are bad stats for Trey, he got hurt 2nd game of the first season he was supposed to start in.

His finger injury is just crazy bad luck - look at Russell Wilson, dude never missed a game in his career and one day his follow through hits a helmet and he's out. That's not durability based injury.

@ pretty much any other position, he plays, I'm sure.

But let them enjoy their finger injury obsession I guess.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

May have? You aren't sure,
LOL, what is your point here?

The point is just as another mark in the Win column isint representative of which QB played better,...neither is passer rating.

There are much better, usable stats at your disposal if that's the argument you are trying to make.

You still wondering what my point is?

So, you were triggered by the fact that I pointed out that Trey had a better passer rating against a team than Lawrence and have made several long winded replies about it but do not disagree that passer rating accurately reflected each if their performances in those games?

No one mentioned wins, you're posts are weird.