Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by tankle104:
When physical tools determine how good a qb is, then come talk to me. Last I checked, most of the greats don't have great physical attributes. Lmao because it's not that important. Just has to be good enough - what's between the ears is what matters

I think you meant to say that LOTS of QBs have a great physical trait or two. What separates them is indeed what's between the ears. Even Favre, who is far from intelligent, had elite mental traits with respect to quarterbacking.

Most of them DO have great physical attributes (if physical attributes includes accuracy):

Montana: elite accuracy, elite mobility (for his time)
Young: elite mobility for any time, as well as elite accuracy
Favre: elite arm strength and accuracy
Marino: elite accuracy, absurd release, elite foot quickness
Elway: elite arm strength, elite mobility
Warner: elite accuracy, elite release speed
Aaron Rodgers: elite everything
Brees: absurdly elite accuracy
Brady: elite accuracy

Most of these guys have lots of "greats" with other physical attributes.

When it comes to Brock, he DOES have some great—nay ELITE—physical attributes. For one, his arm angles and his ability to throw off platform are ELITE. And I mean Patrick Mahomes level elite. And I'll die on that hill. He also has elite reflexes. The guy is absurdly quick at reacting to chaos. Like... you guessed it, Mahomes.
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EDIT: Trey Lance.

I agree with what you're saying. You just wrote it out better than i did. I was saying that under the assumption everyone realizes that everyone in the nfl are v excellent athletes with great tools. Just few have them all.

if we can get someone who has all the intangibles AND elite physical tools, hell yeah. I just think that identifying the tools first is how you miss on players like montana, Brady, Purdy (not saying he is an all time great but obviously belongs in this league) etc.

Appreciate you breaking out the context of it.

Originally posted by 49erKing:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by eric_anthony:

Originally posted by PRIMETIME21:
It's warranted, he has done jack s**t so far since he has been here except lose to the last place bears

He kept this teams playoff chances alive in '21 after Jimmy damn near screwed it up in the Tennessee game. So he has done more than just lose to the Bears which wasn't all on him Primetime.

The texans game didnt even matter. They had to beat the rams. And Someone conveniently forgot the ballsy end of game drive by jimmy to save their season. Kyle picked a GIMPY Jimmy to start over trey. Tells you all you need to know about trey.

Trey has shown nothing. Kyle is starting to make it clear that trey wasn't his decision. So many sour grapes in here.

I just want this team to win. I don't care who it is.

Jimmy won us games. Purdy won us games. Lance stunk it up. Stop being in denial.

That's too harsh. I still think Trey can become a Brock 2.0 in the passing game. What is most disappointing to me is his lack of durability. How can you develop as a QB if you need game reps but are constantly injured and can't get the game reps needed to improve. What durability Trey has shown me so far is very similar to the durability that Jimmy has. We all know why ShanaLynch gave all those draft picks for Trey in the first place.

I know. It's like we're on pins and needles with him on every snap. It feels like if you just breathe on him he will crack. How the hell did he last 16 games in college back in 2019?

I think the NFL level speed and power gives all rookies lots of problems. One of them is staying healthy in spite of the hard hits. John Lynch has mentioned he was injured early in his career, then he elevated (I'm assuming) his conditioning and had 8 seasons of health. Same with Brock and Trey, they have to elevate their level of play and conditioning to deal with the NFL level of stress.

Its just disappointing that durability has been a problem for Kyles QBs, and Trey cost 3 first rounders and it looks like Trey's durability is as bad as Jimmy's. If that doesn't improve, Trey will not beat out Purdy for the QB1 positon.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Giedi:
That's too harsh. I still think Trey can become a Brock 2.0 in the passing game. What is most disappointing to me is his lack of durability. How can you develop as a QB if you need game reps but are constantly injured and can't get the game reps needed to improve. What durability Trey has shown me so far is very similar to the durability that Jimmy has. We all know why ShanaLynch gave all those draft picks for Trey in the first place.

Limited sample size but TL is markedly worse right now

JG started 64% of the time
TL 21% of the time
even if TL started all 17 games next year, he would be at 58%, would still have work to do

for this I'm just counting games missed as QB1 due to injury

Wow! those are really bad stats for Trey. I hope Trey can stay healthy for the next 17 games. It starts with conditioning and goes on from there. If he has 17 healthy games as starter or as backup next year I'm confident he can improve to where he can challenge 2022 rookie version of Brock. Of course Brock, when healthy, is going to get better as time goes on too.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Giedi:
That's too harsh. I still think Trey can become a Brock 2.0 in the passing game. What is most disappointing to me is his lack of durability. How can you develop as a QB if you need game reps but are constantly injured and can't get the game reps needed to improve. What durability Trey has shown me so far is very similar to the durability that Jimmy has. We all know why ShanaLynch gave all those draft picks for Trey in the first place.

Limited sample size but TL is markedly worse right now

JG started 64% of the time
TL 21% of the time
even if TL started all 17 games next year, he would be at 58%, would still have work to do

for this I'm just counting games missed as QB1 due to injury

Wow! those are really bad stats for Trey. I hope Trey can stay healthy for the next 17 games. It starts with conditioning and goes on from there. If he has 17 healthy games as starter or as backup next year I'm confident he can improve to where he can challenge 2022 rookie version of Brock. Of course Brock, when healthy, is going to get better as time goes on too.

Yup. Granted it's almost all weighted by the one major injury. Total shame that JG, TL and BP have all had major injury, not long after being installed as QB1.. almost like a curse here at this point..

As you mention above, a couple years in an NFL weight room, strength and conditioning at that level, you see the body change, guys look harder. He can get stronger, and 2022 was a tough luck / tough break situation. I have posed the question, at what point does a player get the injury prone label?.. I am not exactly sure, he's flirting with that now, needs a healthy year 3

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

They held Lawrence to a 73 passer rating as well.

As 5Rings said/suggested,...you should see it as them holding Lawrence's team to a 73 passer rating as well.

This is a football board. Let's not overrate or underrate the relevance of passer rating as it relates to QBs.

If you want to discuss QB performance,...use other stuff.

And no,...I dont mean team wins. We saw how the "He just wins" thing worked out just this past offseason as opposed to a QB like Carr.

Passer rating paints a decent picture when you need a quick comparison.

I don't give a s**t about Carr.

Not discussing who u care about. Discussing reality.

Throwing a passer rating up there and proclaiming a QB did well is hella weak. Though it's not quite as bad as using the team's W/L record.

If you want to make an argument please clean up the "singular" natured evidence you want to use to support it.

Your argument here is that the passer rating for Trey Lance overrates his play in that game andLawrence's underrates his play?

If so, feel free to explain why.

I think Trey played a better game than Lawrence played and that was reflected in their passer ratings.

Hopefully Trey has carefully observed Brock's play while Trey has been sidelined, and will incorporate what he can in his own game.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
They held Lawrence to a 73 passer rating as well.

As 5Rings said/suggested,...you should see it as them holding Lawrence's team to a 73 passer rating as well.

This is a football board. Let's not overrate or underrate the relevance of passer rating as it relates to QBs.

If you want to discuss QB performance,...use other stuff.

And no,...I dont mean team wins. We saw how the "He just wins" thing worked out just this past offseason as opposed to a QB like Carr.

Passer rating paints a decent picture when you need a quick comparison.

I don't give a s**t about Carr.

Not discussing who u care about. Discussing reality.

Throwing a passer rating up there and proclaiming a QB did well is hella weak. Though it's not quite as bad as using the team's W/L record.

If you want to make an argument please clean up the "singular" natured evidence you want to use to support it.

Your argument here is that the passer rating for Trey Lance overrates his play in that game andLawrence's underrates his play?

If so, feel free to explain why.

I think Trey played a better game than Lawrence played and that was reflected in their passer ratings.

In a game? 😅😅

No. False info alert.

Trey may have played a better game but it is not reflected in a single game's passer rating. The reasons why has already been covered.

You mentioned u use it for "quick analysis" or whatever as if u are personally calculating it midgame or whatever...lol....and as if QBR (for example) is sitting right there for you to quickly use as well.

It makes no sense.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by tankle104:
When physical tools determine how good a qb is, then come talk to me. Last I checked, most of the greats don't have great physical attributes. Lmao because it's not that important. Just has to be good enough - what's between the ears is what matters

I think you meant to say that LOTS of QBs have a great physical trait or two. What separates them is indeed what's between the ears. Even Favre, who is far from intelligent, had elite mental traits with respect to quarterbacking.

Most of them DO have great physical attributes (if physical attributes includes accuracy):

Montana: elite accuracy, elite mobility (for his time)
Young: elite mobility for any time, as well as elite accuracy
Favre: elite arm strength and accuracy
Marino: elite accuracy, absurd release, elite foot quickness
Elway: elite arm strength, elite mobility
Warner: elite accuracy, elite release speed
Aaron Rodgers: elite everything
Brees: absurdly elite accuracy
Brady: elite accuracy

Most of these guys have lots of "greats" with other physical attributes.

When it comes to Brock, he DOES have some great—nay ELITE—physical attributes. For one, his arm angles and his ability to throw off platform are ELITE. And I mean Patrick Mahomes level elite. And I'll die on that hill. He also has elite reflexes. The guy is absurdly quick at reacting to chaos. Like... you guessed it, Mahomes.
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EDIT: Trey Lance.

I agree with what you're saying. You just wrote it out better than i did. I was saying that under the assumption everyone realizes that everyone in the nfl are v excellent athletes with great tools. Just few have them all.

if we can get someone who has all the intangibles AND elite physical tools, hell yeah. I just think that identifying the tools first is how you miss on players like montana, Brady, Purdy (not saying he is an all time great but obviously belongs in this league) etc.

Appreciate you breaking out the context of it.

Maybe the surgery makes him go full Peter Parker and he gets a bionic arm with elite strength.

He's supposed to be fully medically clears anytime now, right?

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Giedi:
That's too harsh. I still think Trey can become a Brock 2.0 in the passing game. What is most disappointing to me is his lack of durability. How can you develop as a QB if you need game reps but are constantly injured and can't get the game reps needed to improve. What durability Trey has shown me so far is very similar to the durability that Jimmy has. We all know why ShanaLynch gave all those draft picks for Trey in the first place.

Limited sample size but TL is markedly worse right now

JG started 64% of the time
TL 21% of the time
even if TL started all 17 games next year, he would be at 58%, would still have work to do

for this I'm just counting games missed as QB1 due to injury

Wow! those are really bad stats for Trey. I hope Trey can stay healthy for the next 17 games. It starts with conditioning and goes on from there. If he has 17 healthy games as starter or as backup next year I'm confident he can improve to where he can challenge 2022 rookie version of Brock. Of course Brock, when healthy, is going to get better as time goes on too.

TBF, what was Jimmy's availability % after 2018 when he also had a major leg injury wipe out an entire season.

And yes Trey had the hand injury, just like Jimmy had an injury after only a couple of starts in NE.

If Jimmy was 8+ years into the league with an availability of 30-35%... well....he wouldn't even be in the league to make 8 years.

Jimmy's luck turned a little, no reason Trey's can't too.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

They held Lawrence to a 73 passer rating as well.

As 5Rings said/suggested,...you should see it as them holding Lawrence's team to a 73 passer rating as well.

This is a football board. Let's not overrate or underrate the relevance of passer rating as it relates to QBs.

If you want to discuss QB performance,...use other stuff.

And no,...I dont mean team wins. We saw how the "He just wins" thing worked out just this past offseason as opposed to a QB like Carr.

Passer rating paints a decent picture when you need a quick comparison.

I don't give a s**t about Carr.

Not discussing who u care about. Discussing reality.

Throwing a passer rating up there and proclaiming a QB did well is hella weak. Though it's not quite as bad as using the team's W/L record.

If you want to make an argument please clean up the "singular" natured evidence you want to use to support it.

Your argument here is that the passer rating for Trey Lance overrates his play in that game andLawrence's underrates his play?

If so, feel free to explain why.

I think Trey played a better game than Lawrence played and that was reflected in their passer ratings.

In a game? 😅😅

No. False info alert.

Trey may have played a better game but it is not reflected in a single game's passer rating. The reasons why has already been covered.

You mentioned u use it for "quick analysis" or whatever as if u are personally calculating it midgame or whatever...lol....and as if QBR (for example) is sitting right there for you to quickly use as well.

It makes no sense.

May have? You aren't sure,
LOL, what is your point here?

He did and the difference was reflected in each qbs passer rating. Statistics do tell help tell a story.

Nobody calculated anything mid game.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
May have? You aren't sure,
LOL, what is your point here?

The point is just as another mark in the Win column isint representative of which QB played better,...neither is passer rating.

There are much better, usable stats at your disposal if that's the argument you are trying to make.

You still wondering what my point is?

One thing not being talked about is that Trey himself is coming off a very severe injury.

Dak didn't have his mobility back for a while. I doubt Trey will be able to put his best foot forward in getting his job back. Unless Brock gets injured later this year I highly doubt Trey wins his job back.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
One thing not being talked about is that Trey himself is coming off a very severe injury.

Dak didn't have his mobility back for a while. I doubt Trey will be able to put his best foot forward in getting his job back. Unless Brock gets injured later this year I highly doubt Trey wins his job back.

Plus he just started throwing a month ago. Which means it's safe to assume he hadn't been able to throw the previous 5 months. That can't possibly be good for fixing those mechanics. One would think

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
One thing not being talked about is that Trey himself is coming off a very severe injury.

Dak didn't have his mobility back for a while. I doubt Trey will be able to put his best foot forward in getting his job back. Unless Brock gets injured later this year I highly doubt Trey wins his job back.

Plus he just started throwing a month ago. Which means it's safe to assume he hadn't been able to throw the previous 5 months. That can't possibly be good for fixing those mechanics. One would think

It was his ankle, not arm. I'm sure he could still manage to throw without putting too much pressure on that ankle.