Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by krizay:
BUT Mac "never got to play with Kittle or CMC" (or Deebo or BA for that matter) also had Matt Patricia and not Kyle calling plays.

Don't agree with his evaluation of Jones at all, but it really was beside the point.

It was an incredibly common opinion that Jones was the most pro ready of the three QBs we were choosing from. He just didn't have the talent (low floor, low ceiling) to match those two.

I don't think it's arguable that you could have drafted Jones and traded Jimmy G immediately. From a production standpoint they had incredibly similar years with incredibly different talent situations around them.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Trading Trey makes a lot of sense assuming Purdy is ready by week 1, pick ups where he left off, and will stay healthy for all 17+ games. We should always operate under the impression that the best case scenario will always happen.

I am still not sold on Purdy. His size and arm scares the hell out of me. Also he seems to not like to step up in the pocket to throw. When he gets pressure on him he likes to run backwards to evade the pressure instead of just stepping up in the pocket to evade the pressure. When you start running backwards you only have 2 options as a QB, Either throw the ball away or force it somewhere. Unless you have Lamar Jackson type speed.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Mac Jones was even worse early on. He got up to below average by the end of his rookie year and has remained there. Trey probably would have been that good by now. His injuries played a big role in his development. But BROCK PURDY is they reason why it's more than likely we'll never realize his potential here. Assuming Purdy returns and is still effective, of course. And you know what? That's fine. I'll take it.

I'm not interested in comparing Mac Jones to Trey, other than to use that report as an indication that the 49ers didn't necessarily want to sit a rookie for a year behind Jimmy G, even if they publicly said that was the plan.

Its not fair to compare anyone to Lance because he's on a team with numerous all pro/pro bowlers and one of the best coaches in the league for QBs. No one else came close to having half as good a situation as Lance got.

some guy made a comment earlier that he wanted to see Lance play with CMC, Kittle, and good weather. Lol well I want to see Lance try and play decent on a bad team or average team. lol imagine he was drafted by the bears or falcons? Lmao those kind of comments blame everyone but Lance for his poor play and essentially want a perfect situation for him before judging. That just isn't football.

I started bolding what I agreed with here; pretty soon the entire post was bolded lol.. well done here

Originally posted by tankle104:
Its not fair to compare anyone to Lance because he's on a team with numerous all pro/pro bowlers and one of the best coaches in the league for QBs. No one else came close to having half as good a situation as Lance got.

some guy made a comment earlier that he wanted to see Lance play with CMC, Kittle, and good weather. Lol well I want to see Lance try and play decent on a bad team or average team. lol imagine he was drafted by the bears or falcons? Lmao those kind of comments blame everyone but Lance for his poor play and essentially want a perfect situation for him before judging. That just isn't football.

Trey would be a much better QB if he played for those teams because they would be developing him by letting him play. Expecting Trey to be elite by just watching is rediculous.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Mac Jones was even worse early on. He got up to below average by the end of his rookie year and has remained there. Trey probably would have been that good by now. His injuries played a big role in his development. But BROCK PURDY is they reason why it's more than likely we'll never realize his potential here. Assuming Purdy returns and is still effective, of course. And you know what? That's fine. I'll take it.

I'm not interested in comparing Mac Jones to Trey, other than to use that report as an indication that the 49ers didn't necessarily want to sit a rookie for a year behind Jimmy G, even if they publicly said that was the plan.

Its not fair to compare anyone to Lance because he's on a team with numerous all pro/pro bowlers and one of the best coaches in the league for QBs. No one else came close to having half as good a situation as Lance got.

some guy made a comment earlier that he wanted to see Lance play with CMC, Kittle, and good weather. Lol well I want to see Lance try and play decent on a bad team or average team. lol imagine he was drafted by the bears or falcons? Lmao those kind of comments blame everyone but Lance for his poor play and essentially want a perfect situation for him before judging. That just isn't football.

Who said it needed to be a perfect situation?

We literally have one game where we were missing weapons in horrible conditions.

All people are saying is - "Let's see if he looks like that on a dry track with everyone available before worrying"

Really not that unreasonable.

Originally posted by JTB1974:
I am still not sold on Purdy. His size and arm scares the hell out of me. Also he seems to not like to step up in the pocket to throw. When he gets pressure on him he likes to run backwards to evade the pressure instead of just stepping up in the pocket to evade the pressure. When you start running backwards you only have 2 options as a QB, Either throw the ball away or force it somewhere. Unless you have Lamar Jackson type speed.

I think that's fair but the problem is you only play one of these guys. If you were going to gamble on their current abilities and their respective futures, especially in conjunction with the team's current situation, Purdy has a much stronger case. He's plan A for the moment. Plans can change.

49ers trading Lance after what happened last year before training camp would be the dumbest move honestly.

To me the comments from the 49ers brass are pushing Lance to give them their best. Some guys get lost in the shuffle when pushed and others respond in a big way.

Pettis went into the dog house and didn't care. Aiyuk went there and came out a much better player.

I can't believe Lance showed them something to put him in the doghouse but I think they believe Trey can perform better when pushed and has a chip on his shoulder.

We'll see how he responds but I don't believe this front office is giving him away for peanuts given what they gave up for him, his potential and the positional value.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by JTB1974:
I am still not sold on Purdy. His size and arm scares the hell out of me. Also he seems to not like to step up in the pocket to throw. When he gets pressure on him he likes to run backwards to evade the pressure instead of just stepping up in the pocket to evade the pressure. When you start running backwards you only have 2 options as a QB, Either throw the ball away or force it somewhere. Unless you have Lamar Jackson type speed.

I think that's fair but the problem is you only play one of these guys. If you were going to gamble on their current abilities and their respective futures, especially in conjunction with the team's current situation, Purdy has a much stronger case. He's plan A for the moment. Plans can change.

It's not an expectation for him to be elite. I didn't think he was even serviceable in 2/3 starts and the Texans game he didn't put up anything for more than half the game… against the worst defense/team in the nfl that year. That's what bugs me about him. You really think Lance,Jones,Lawrence etc would of done that poorly?

Originally posted by tankle104:
Its not fair to compare anyone to Lance because he's on a team with numerous all pro/pro bowlers and one of the best coaches in the league for QBs. No one else came close to having half as good a situation as Lance got.

some guy made a comment earlier that he wanted to see Lance play with CMC, Kittle, and good weather. Lol well I want to see Lance try and play decent on a bad team or average team. lol imagine he was drafted by the bears or falcons? Lmao those kind of comments blame everyone but Lance for his poor play and essentially want a perfect situation for him before judging. That just isn't football.

A complete misrepresentation of the discussion.

thread turned into a bunch of boomers who dont understand the difference between a meme and a reaction gif

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Its not fair to compare anyone to Lance because he's on a team with numerous all pro/pro bowlers and one of the best coaches in the league for QBs. No one else came close to having half as good a situation as Lance got.

some guy made a comment earlier that he wanted to see Lance play with CMC, Kittle, and good weather. Lol well I want to see Lance try and play decent on a bad team or average team. lol imagine he was drafted by the bears or falcons? Lmao those kind of comments blame everyone but Lance for his poor play and essentially want a perfect situation for him before judging. That just isn't football.

A complete misrepresentation of the discussion.

What I responded to didn't even have you attached to it. So I'm not sure what you're referencing.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:

between now and the draft is Lynch's window to get maximum trade value for TL, 2nd rounder is a pipe dream, conditional future 3rd is likely.... I think Jonny's comments mean that he is open for business in regards to a trade... if they wait until training camp when Purdy is back taking snaps TL's trade value plummets and we get nothing for him

I have a feeling this gets done. I smell a 2nd this year. A 2nd-4th next year that has potential to be a 1st

are we talking trading Trey?

I just don't see it. We got him under contract. The contract is cheap for a QB in the starting conversation. He has 2023, 2024, 2025 (option), that's a lot of time here for us to see what he can become. Plus if BP is out week 1, you would be starting Darnold almost by default and some rando as QB2 would dress for the opener.

The cap penalties and dead money are extraordinary. He's not going anywhere this season unless the return is vast. Next year it becomes easier to trade him, and if Jordan Love remains trash, maybe he goes to Green Bay (assuming (a) he doesn't become really good during this time with Purdy injured or (b) Purdy comes back and remains effective or (c) Darnold doesn't surprise the world and undo the first five years of his career).

Great points and he is insurance if Brock isn't the same.
He is also a high ceiling guy who could be elite.
He also plays for a team where QBs get hurt often.

He has value here.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by JTB1974:
I am still not sold on Purdy. His size and arm scares the hell out of me. Also he seems to not like to step up in the pocket to throw. When he gets pressure on him he likes to run backwards to evade the pressure instead of just stepping up in the pocket to evade the pressure. When you start running backwards you only have 2 options as a QB, Either throw the ball away or force it somewhere. Unless you have Lamar Jackson type speed.

I think that's fair but the problem is you only play one of these guys. If you were going to gamble on their current abilities and their respective futures, especially in conjunction with the team's current situation, Purdy has a much stronger case. He's plan A for the moment. Plans can change.

It's not an expectation for him to be elite. I didn't think he was even serviceable in 2/3 starts and the Texans game he didn't put up anything for more than half the game… against the worst defense/team in the nfl that year. That's what bugs me about him. You really think Lance,Jones,Lawrence etc would of done that poorly?

Lawrence lost 6-13 against that Texans team with 2 INT and 25 of 47 passing.

Jones lost to the Raiders 24-30 where he was 13 of 31 passing.

So yes, and that's the danger when you make judgements on a tiny sample size. Jones and Lawrence have a large enough sample size for you to clearly forget those one off games.

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:
the dead money means nothing, it's about the draft picks... teams would pay millions every year if they were allowed to buy additional draft picks for the draft... $10 million dollars to buy a 3rd round pick so we could draft Fred Warner (which is TL's dead money hit if traded)? good business decision there a no brainer

they don't need more 3rd rd picks lol. Moving him is a horrible business decision…for once can you remove your biased narrative out of the conversation?

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Saying "he is a bust" and "he will never be a good QB" arent the same thing? Splitting hairs if you think they are different.

Again, expressing displeasure is one thing. But that isnt really whats happening. People are making definitive statements on what he WILL be, which is very unfair. To your point, I think it would be unfair to make any definitive statements on TDP also. Kinlaw, not so much haha.

There's a lot of gray area between bust and good player. Bust are Ryan Leaf, Russell, Rosen, etc. they were far from being solid QB, let alone good QBs.

I haven't much definitive statements on that Lance will become a bust, moreso guess work based on what they've seen so far.