Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
Jimmy is as relevant to the discussion as either.

How posters commented on his mistakes vs how they comment on Trey's is very relevant however.

How is Justin Fields relevant to a discussion about the talent levels Trey played with vs Purdy?

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
No one is going to sift through the garbage here to try to find referenced post.

So lets just hall monitor without context of what's being actually discussed. Much better.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Jimmy is as relevant to the discussion as either.

How posters commented on his mistakes vs how they comment on Trey's is very relevant however.

How is Justin Fields relevant to a discussion about the talent levels Trey played with vs Purdy?

Relevant to what? Not the 49ers, not Lance or Brock.

Justin Fields would be a good comparison for their head to head competition and as a player who was passed over for Lance in the draft.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
No one is going to sift through the garbage here to try to find referenced post.

So lets just hall monitor without context of what's being actually discussed. Much better.

We used to call them, mother gooses.

Jimmy - overall a good qb but has limitations and consistently missed the same type of plays. Which is a big reason why I think Kyle wanted to move off of him. Low ceiling but high floor kind of guy

Lance - in his few starts has been nothing better than a top 25-32 qb in this league. Talented for sure but needs a ton of games to get close to operating the offense as well as jimmy did. Probably close to two full seasons (that's my opinion). I also don't think he's good enough at playing quarterback to where he is worth that kind of time. I personally don't see him ever being a top qb in this league, good, but that's it. Low floor and about the same ceiling as jimmy but different limitations.

purdy - played amongst the best QBs in the league during his starts and had the offense playing as well as we've seen it in at least two decades. His biggest flaws are rolling out left on clean pocket and needs to work on his play making on the right side of the field. Outside of that, I don't have any complaints so far. Def concerned about his healing process but not too much since he will most likely be a full participant in camp at some point. Seems to have a really high floor, making his ceiling high too. He could regress, but I doubt it, he doesn't rely on athleticism like Lance does - he relies on preparation and whatever is between his ears, like
brees.

i hope to only see one qb starting for us this season and I hope it's #13. I don't want to see anyone Else on the field unless it's garbage time.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
LMAO

Yeah Brock losing Deebo in the middle of a game that was already a blowout is the same thing as:

-No Kittle
-Jeff Wilson Jr. instead of Christian Mccaffrey
-60% of the OL playing for the first time
-playing in the rain on the road
-week 1

Yeah, totally even.

notice the no Kittle, no CMC comments..
plus our OL is playing for the first time.. with HOF Trent btw
and again the infamous weather..

ppl can decide for themselves if this is anything worth discussing many months later or if it's just excuses for why we lost to a 3-14 team that earned pick #1
if JF can win with Pettis, EQ ST Brown, TL can win with Deebo, Trent, BA and put it in the endzone.. but he's got to improve

Dude. Your reading comprehension is painfully bad, or you are being intentionally obtuse.

That list is not a list of reasons/excuses why the 49ers lost. It is not a list of reasons why Trey didnt have a good game. It is literally just a factual list of differences between week 1 and the games Purdy played in. Period.

Stop changing the conversation or turning this into something it isnt.

You make it sound like Shanahan, Deebo, Aiyuk, Trent freaking Williams, Juice are all a group of chumps..

are they as good as the same with CMC / Kittle.. obviously no, that doesn't even need said, if that's your point..

you can't explain away the dif of how TL looked and how Brock looked through supporting cast.. that ignores how robotic TL was looking and how smooth BP was looking, that's not 100% on CMC, recall Baker played with CMC and got fired for example.

No I am not. YOU are doing that in your head.

You are making me want to stop engaging with you on this board. Its ridiculous that you are even arguing at this point. Literally all I said was the circumstances around Trey's week 1 start was vastly different than the circumstances Brock faced (and listed the circumstances). Why cant you just move along? You are literally creating an argument in your head, and arguing against facts.

if your point is the offense is better than CMC what kind of point is that.. that doesn't need said
my point stands that if you want to talk vast talent differences.. I saw one week 1, and TL had the talent around him, JF didn't.. we legit cut Pettis from our roster, ST Brown cut as well

what I hear is a lot of reasons for why BP did well and TL didn't and I don't buy it.. I will say of course we are better with CMC, but if JF can win with cut receivers no one wants vs the #1 D; then Deebo, BA, Shanahan, Trent are all filet mignon compared to what Fields had to work with..

I see 49er fans all around me disregarding our talent; for example I was laughed at when I called our tackles bookend tackles, meanwhile in the real NFL, Trent is going to Canton, and McG just got paid $87.5 million. We aren't a bad roster, even without CMC we are very very good. Bears would have traded talent with us in a heartbeat, and try imaging for a second TL with no Deebo, no BA, no Trent, no Shanny and EQ St Brown and Pettis.

Will you just stop? The conversation I was having had absolutely nothing to do with Fields and the Bears. Just stop. You are arguing with no one. This entire reply of yours is completely irrelevant to the discussion. Completely.

lol you mentioned week 1
you mentioned playing on the road in the rain

Yes. And for the 12th time, we were talking about Lance in week one compared to Purdy. Is this really that difficult a concept for you to grasp?

Comparing Lance to Purdy on the field is pretty lobsided at this point. One has been widely successful while the other has not.

You got me. This is the one post of the 15 I made trying to explain to Faithful what we were actually talking about where I didnt elaborate. The conversation was about the circumstances and supporting cast that Trey had in week 1 versus Purdy down the stretch. It wasnt a comparison of the two QBs. But all you would have had to do was read past that one specific post to see that, which you clearly didnt.

No one is going to sift through the garbage here to try to find referenced post.

LOL its all right here quoted in the post. And even if it wasnt, its generally a good idea to know what the conversation is about before you feel the need to insert yourself into it.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Bad throws are bad throws, who said any of these were good throws?
All QBs miss throws.. yet since you invoke JG, his misses are more the exception than the rule. He's a lot more accurate than TL. JG is 67%. TL is 55% and was 48% last season. Purdy as a comp also is 67% So these guys are not the same, when it comes to accuracy. TL has to work on ball placement, setting his feet, deliver consistently with accuracy. And what's that old quote, keep the wobblers and ducks to a minimum. I am of the opinion he is not there yet, but can get there, needs to work.

Not on deep passes like the one to Kroft he wasnt.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
Jimmy is as relevant to the discussion as either.

Why can't we ask for consistency when we're criticizing quarterbacks? You got some of the loudest defenders of Jimmy as the biggest Lance antagonist (shocker). They got no problem calling out a poor throw from him, but spent YEARS defending Jimmy and making every excuse possible. Where's that same energy for Lance?

How can you have a decent conversation when one side can't be objective about it?

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
Relevant to what? Not the 49ers, not Lance or Brock.

Justin Fields would be a good comparison for their head to head competition and as a player who was passed over for Lance in the draft.

How is posting memes about Ring relevant to 49ers Lance or Brock?

That wasn't the conversation as SWH has said.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Bahahaha so now it's down to ONE play? How about the throw to Jennings that was a walk in Td if not for the s**tty field conditions? If you're comparing the over throw to Kroft to the Pettis throw. Then just say you don't know s**t about QB play. Those were NOT close to the same type of throws. My god you try so hard and you just look worse and worse…

Don't b******t and tell me these were similar throws or required the same amount of accuracy to compete (and don't tell me the field condition/weather didn't play a part, look at the field there).

Another angle of Trey Lance's incompletion targeting Tyler Kroft. I thought it was a TD😩 pic.twitter.com/ca8kCfjX8w

— Travis Bell (@TravTheSav_) September 12, 2022

Justin Fields got out of trouble for a TD to Dante Pettis 💪

(via @NFL) pic.twitter.com/uRkO55UyFZ

— Sports Illustrated (@SInow) September 11, 2022

I appreciate showing the plays NY.

In NFL, these throws are considered layups. Gotta hit your layups. Notice on JFs he has to show his athleticism to get out of a jam. In coverage, it's hard to hold up for 5-7+ secs. On the JF play I count about 7-8 secs prior to ball out of hand.

Jimmy G missed those layups plenty. Guys miss layups too...

And if you actually care to get into a real discussion(which clearly you're not ready for) Lance's throw to Kroft has been talked about. He tried to make the perfect throw to a guy he hasn't worked as much with in camp. There are two guys trailing Kroft and the ball is just out of his reach. Yes to be a top QB he has to hit those throws.

Which is why he hit an almost identical throw to JJ later in the game but because he adjusted after the miss to Kroft Jennings wasn't able to run under it and stay inbounds. Had that game been in normal conditions he's able to turn up the field for it for a TD.

Once again...not something you want to hear.

It's just amazing that you hold Trey to a standard you won't even hold to a 9 year NFL vet...

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Yep. And they're still trying to bring up Jimmy in here. One thread is not enough Jimmy for them

Should bring up a Chicago Bears QB instead and talk about him ad nauseum as if he's relevant to anything.

Posters were discussing the Bears game lol

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Didn't Bayarea just criticize a poster? If anyone needs a butthurt thread. But since you agree with him you ignore it.

Why is it not relevant to how posters grade qbs to look at how they speak of all the QBs? Why can't we ask for consistency?

Pretty self explanatory.

I noticed you missed Ring, so I was helping you out, since your so hellbent on calling out posters on their hypocrisy. Weird that you ignored it. "But since you agree with him" it makes sense.

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

stop being a hypocrite.

you should chill on this take "pot"

Yep lol
surprised 9ers4eva hasn't called him out yet. Gee…I wonder why

Re read it.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
Jimmy is as relevant to the discussion as either.

Why can't we ask for consistency when we're criticizing quarterbacks? You got some of the loudest defenders of Jimmy as the biggest Lance antagonist (shocker). They got no problem calling out a poor throw from him, but spent YEARS defending Jimmy and making every excuse possible. Where's that same energy for Lance?

How can you have a decent conversation when one side can't be objective about it?

I just said bad throws are bad throws.. you honestly feel TL is as accurate as JG or BP? From what we have seen so far? I'm not gonna blow smoke and say stuff that isn't true, like TL is as accurate as those guys, he isn't. He's got more of a cannon. The hope is his arm talent puts more of the field in play for our pass game. So there is reason to be excited here, but he has to put it on guys or the arm strength doesn't really mean much.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Bahahaha so now it's down to ONE play? How about the throw to Jennings that was a walk in Td if not for the s**tty field conditions? If you're comparing the over throw to Kroft to the Pettis throw. Then just say you don't know s**t about QB play. Those were NOT close to the same type of throws. My god you try so hard and you just look worse and worse…

Don't b******t and tell me these were similar throws or required the same amount of accuracy to compete (and don't tell me the field condition/weather didn't play a part, look at the field there).

Another angle of Trey Lance's incompletion targeting Tyler Kroft. I thought it was a TD😩 pic.twitter.com/ca8kCfjX8w

— Travis Bell (@TravTheSav_) September 12, 2022

Justin Fields got out of trouble for a TD to Dante Pettis 💪

(via @NFL) pic.twitter.com/uRkO55UyFZ

— Sports Illustrated (@SInow) September 11, 2022

I appreciate showing the plays NY.

In NFL, these throws are considered layups. Gotta hit your layups. Notice on JFs he has to show his athleticism to get out of a jam. In coverage, it's hard to hold up for 5-7+ secs. On the JF play I count about 7-8 secs prior to ball out of hand.

Jimmy G missed those layups plenty. Guys miss layups too...

And if you actually care to get into a real discussion(which clearly you're not ready for) Lance's throw to Kroft has been talked about. He tried to make the perfect throw to a guy he hasn't worked as much with in camp. There are two guys trailing Kroft and the ball is just out of his reach. Yes to be a top QB he has to hit those throws.

Which is why he hit an almost identical throw to JJ later in the game but because he adjusted after the miss to Kroft Jennings wasn't able to run under it and stay inbounds. Had that game been in normal conditions he's able to turn up the field for it for a TD.

Once again...not something you want to hear.

It's just amazing that you hold Trey to a standard you won't even hold to a 9 year NFL vet...

He's already admitted he doesn't. He criticized Trey more because Jimmy has proven more throughout his time with the 49ers. Which I think is inconsistent logic when comparing QBs but it's clearly an extremely common framework and why we're seeing so many posters appear to be hypocritical on this debate.

If more people could just be honest about their bias maybe it wouldn't be like pulling teeth to get them to see the hypocrisy.

Faithful had no issue blaming receivers for not high pointing or laying out for the ball with Jimmy, yet that same context is not awarded to Trey, he calls it excuses.

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Posters were discussing the Bears game lol

I noticed you missed Ring, so I was helping you out, since your so hellbent on calling out posters on their hypocrisy. Weird that you ignored it. "But since you agree with him" it makes sense.

Yep lol
surprised 9ers4eva hasn't called him out yet. Gee…I wonder why