Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
only thing matters is winning football games..
we lost the a 3-14 Bear team and ppl still today a year later in here about the weather and TL had no talent around him takes.. even tho his talent around is 100x better than EQ St Brown and a dude we cut.. pretty sure St Brown is a dude the Packers cut..

Yeah and Jimmy lost to a losing Broncos team what are we doing here? The Bears lost wasn't all on Trey but you could make a case on the Broncos loss being all on Jimmy. At least Trey knows to not step past his own endzone.

Originally posted by eric_anthony:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
only thing matters is winning football games..
we lost the a 3-14 Bear team and ppl still today a year later in here about the weather and TL had no talent around him takes.. even tho his talent around is 100x better than EQ St Brown and a dude we cut.. pretty sure St Brown is a dude the Packers cut..

Yeah and Jimmy lost to a losing Broncos team what are we doing here? The Bears lost wasn't all on Trey but you could make a case on the Broncos loss being all on Jimmy. At least Trey knows to not step past his own endzone.

I'm a Jimmy guy and that loss was 100000% on Jimmy. With that said the opener was not all on Trey. This is redundant but who really played well that game? Defense wasn't terrible but they were great by any means.

Trey Lance barring any injury will be under center for the 49ers week one as QB1. Will he have a fan base behind him or will they be waiting for him to fail?

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by genus49:
Never seen some fans so scared of giving a young kid an opportunity to show what he can do…just bizarre.

Why exactly do you think fans are scared of Trey getting an opportunity? I see this stupidity thrown out quite a bit

Ask them? This thread is filled with people fighting tooth and nail trying to claim Lance is crap compared to Brock and Brock should get the job back no matter what when he's healthy.

I've seen this stuff on Twitter too. Basically Brock proved he's the starter.

My question is if Brock is that much better(and maybe he is) why worry about a competition when we can see them on the same field/with the same players?

Originally posted by genus49:
Ask them? This thread is filled with people fighting tooth and nail trying to claim Lance is crap compared to Brock and Brock should get the job back no matter what when he's healthy.

I've seen this stuff on Twitter too. Basically Brock proved he's the starter.

My question is if Brock is that much better(and maybe he is) why worry about a competition when we can see them on the same field/with the same players?

I'm on record for saying if Brock gets any kind of reps in TC and looks good and is cleared I'd start him. If I didn't like what I seen and/Or he isn't cleared I wouldn't be playing him.

Now to answer your question. Because Brock is only 6 months older than Trey and has only thrown some 70 passes more. If I believe Brock was the better QB, which I do(for this system) then I would want Brock to get all the reps he can get. Assuming he's cleared of course.

This whole needing the same players is hogwash. Trey didn't struggle because guys weren't getting open or making plays. It was because he wasn't hitting them. Changing who the open receivers are ain't going to make him magically see/hit those receivers.

Now if he didn't have anyone getting open and every pass was a TWT then okay. The better players would be justified. His issues is not personnel related. IMO

Originally posted by krizay:
I'm on record for saying if Brock gets any kind of reps in TC and looks good and is cleared I'd start him. If I didn't like what I seen and/Or he isn't cleared I wouldn't be playing him.

Now to answer your question. Because Brock is only 6 months older than Trey and has only thrown some 70 passes more. If I believe Brock was the better QB, which I do(for this system) then I would want Brock to get all the reps he can get. Assuming he's cleared of course.

This whole needing the same players is hogwash. Trey didn't struggle because guys weren't getting open or making plays. It was because he wasn't hitting them. Changing who the open receivers are ain't going to make him magically see/hit those receivers.

Now if he didn't have anyone getting open and every pass was a TWT then okay. The better players would be justified. His issues is not personnel related. IMO

Show me the plays that Trey simply missed guys who were wide open.

It's very likely the throw he missed to Kroft is a TD to George Kittle.

Also show me him missing wide open receivers as you insinuate above.

Trey has shown the ability to hit big time throws into tight windows but you want to pretend the guy wouldn't improve having better players around him making his life easier while making a nightmare for opposing defenders to cover? Keep up the krazy…

Originally posted by genus49:
Show me the plays that Trey simply missed guys who were wide open.

It's very likely the throw he missed to Kroft is a TD to George Kittle.

Also show me him missing wide open receivers as you insinuate above.

Trey has shown the ability to hit big time throws into tight windows but you want to pretend the guy wouldn't improve having better players around him making his life easier while making a nightmare for opposing defenders to cover? Keep up the krazy…

Very easy to find the misses if you truly want to see them

Yes he has made some BTT(which is what I meant instead of TWT). A lot of those because he isn't hitting the open receiver.

As for the better players around him. I'll say again, the guys around him are getting open. He's not seeing/hitting them. The personnel argument from that aspect is pointless.

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by genus49:
Show me the plays that Trey simply missed guys who were wide open.

It's very likely the throw he missed to Kroft is a TD to George Kittle.

Also show me him missing wide open receivers as you insinuate above.

Trey has shown the ability to hit big time throws into tight windows but you want to pretend the guy wouldn't improve having better players around him making his life easier while making a nightmare for opposing defenders to cover? Keep up the krazy…

Very easy to find the misses if you truly want to see them

Yes he has made some BTT(which is what I meant instead of TWT). A lot of those because he isn't hitting the open receiver.

As for the better players around him. I'll say again, the guys around him are getting open. He's not seeing/hitting them. The personnel argument from that aspect is pointless.

Please list the misses, maybe I'm biased in my reviews of him.

I'm not saying he hasn't had them but certainly not in a way where you're acting. His misses have typically been due to mechanic breakdowns and as we found out some of those were related to the injured pointer finger last season. Weather definitely impacted his throws in Chicago, especially in the 4th quarter which is when most of his incompletions happened.

You can also keep saying he doesn't see guys but I know why you're refusing to show any of that happening.

Personnel arguments are conveniently pointless when it's the qb you don't support. When it's the guy you support all struggles are due to personnel or coaching or some other contextual factor.

Originally posted by Pillbusta:
Trey Lance barring any injury will be under center for the 49ers week one as QB1. Will he have a fan base behind him or will they be waiting for him to fail?

Here you go saying the same s**t. Like you either like to remind us that he's gonna be the starter or you keep saying it to convince yourself that he is.

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Agreed. It's laughable.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
the excuses, don't hold water
they tend to miss the point worse than TL missed Kroft

How about this comp

Deebo vs D Pettis
Aiyuk vs EQ St Brown
Kyle Shanahan vs Eberflus
Trent Williams vs ???

so this idea TL had a million excuses for week one, Fields had way more reason to lose that game..

if TL can't put it in the endzone with BA, Deebo and Trent, and Shanahan calling plays.. how would he do it with EQ ST Brown, Pettis and no OL?

He has to get a lot better that's what this offseason is about.

Excuses only matter for Jimmy and Darnold.

only thing matters is winning football games..
we lost the a 3-14 Bear team and ppl still today a year later in here about the weather and TL had no talent around him takes.. even tho his talent around is 100x better than EQ St Brown and a dude we cut.. pretty sure St Brown is a dude the Packers cut..

Nobody said that.

plenty of he didn't have CMC, he didn't have Kittle takes..

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
the excuses, don't hold water
they tend to miss the point worse than TL missed Kroft

How about this comp

Deebo vs D Pettis
Aiyuk vs EQ St Brown
Kyle Shanahan vs Eberflus
Trent Williams vs ???

so this idea TL had a million excuses for week one, Fields had way more reason to lose that game..

if TL can't put it in the endzone with BA, Deebo and Trent, and Shanahan calling plays.. how would he do it with EQ ST Brown, Pettis and no OL?

He has to get a lot better that's what this offseason is about.

Excuses only matter for Jimmy and Darnold.

only thing matters is winning football games..
we lost the a 3-14 Bear team and ppl still today a year later in here about the weather and TL had no talent around him takes.. even tho his talent around is 100x better than EQ St Brown and a dude we cut.. pretty sure St Brown is a dude the Packers cut..

Nobody said that.

plenty of he didn't have CMC, he didn't have Kittle takes..

Big difference between "No CMC and No Kittle" and "No talent at all".

Difference between BP and TL? Experience. Look at how many starts each guy had at the college level I've read that Trey is a very smart person, highly intelligent. If that's true then he should make a leap in performance this coming season with playing time. He'll understand the offense better than last season, and he'll be better accustomed to the speed of the game. His intelligence should help him process his cues reading defenses. He just might be as much of a surprise as Brock was last season. Time will tell. Regardless, LFGSF!!!

Originally posted by JaggedJ:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
the excuses, don't hold water
they tend to miss the point worse than TL missed Kroft

How about this comp

Deebo vs D Pettis
Aiyuk vs EQ St Brown
Kyle Shanahan vs Eberflus
Trent Williams vs ???

so this idea TL had a million excuses for week one, Fields had way more reason to lose that game..

if TL can't put it in the endzone with BA, Deebo and Trent, and Shanahan calling plays.. how would he do it with EQ ST Brown, Pettis and no OL?

He has to get a lot better that's what this offseason is about.

Excuses only matter for Jimmy and Darnold.

only thing matters is winning football games..
we lost the a 3-14 Bear team and ppl still today a year later in here about the weather and TL had no talent around him takes.. even tho his talent around is 100x better than EQ St Brown and a dude we cut.. pretty sure St Brown is a dude the Packers cut..

Nobody said that.

plenty of he didn't have CMC, he didn't have Kittle takes..

Big difference between "No CMC and No Kittle" and "No talent at all".

this is semantics.. the argument is TL didn't have the talent to win week 1, yet Fields had guys legit cut, including a guy we cut, and lobbed TD passes to em and won..
The Niners week 1 were many times more talented than Chicago, it's not arguable
TL had plays to be made, didn't make em

I can be optimistic about the offseason without blowing smoke or telling stories about week 1... TL said himself he didn't play well week 1 has a lot to work on