Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
LMAO

Yeah Brock losing Deebo in the middle of a game that was already a blowout is the same thing as:

-No Kittle
-Jeff Wilson Jr. instead of Christian Mccaffrey
-60% of the OL playing for the first time
-playing in the rain on the road
-week 1

Yeah, totally even.

the excuses, don't hold water
they tend to miss the point worse than TL missed Kroft

How about this comp

Deebo vs D Pettis
Aiyuk vs EQ St Brown
Kyle Shanahan vs Eberflus
Trent Williams vs ???

so this idea TL had a million excuses for week one, Fields had way more reason to lose that game..

if TL can't put it in the endzone with BA, Deebo and Trent, and Shanahan calling plays.. how would he do it with EQ ST Brown, Pettis and no OL?

He has to get a lot better that's what this offseason is about.

Yeah I'm not reading this.

For the 3rd or 4th time, what you call excuses in this thread, you would call context in the Jimmy thread.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

It's easy to forget the players around them when Purdy had Kittle and CMC and Trey didn't.

If Trey had played a full season or the opposite situation happened, in that, Trey had Kittle and CMC but Purdy didn't. Or if Purdy started the season with multiple inexperienced offensive lineman and Trey came in later when they were more comfortable. I would think all of these points were valid.

If I was a betting man I'd still say Purdy will win the job, but it's still too soon.

A comparison between Trey and Brock shouldn't and doesn't have to rely on supporting cast around them... even though the cast directly affects the statistics people are arguing about.

Brock consistently showed poise under pressure, a good understanding of the offense, a willingness to pull the trigger on open reads, an ability to improvise and both kill bad plays and extend plays and turn potential losses into gains, good accuracy, good field vision, an ability to go through progressions quickly. These traits in conjunction with the supporting cast are what lead to success in terms of production and statistics. Only the production and statistics would directly suffer if the cast was different, but the individual play wouldn't necessarily change. You might see a QB try to do too much because he has to make up for subpar teammate performance however.

I'm not sure what everyone thinks Trey showed consistently in his limited time (we can have good arguments about it) but I would say it was mostly limited to an ability to attack a defense with his legs, solid vision, and the ability to stretch the defense with solid downfield accuracy. Beyond that it was inconsistent accuracy, frenetic play in the pocket, hesitation in pulling the trigger and in the run game, inconsistent timing. Are those things going to change with more experience? We all hope so. But they're not necessarily going to change if he has Kittle instead of Tyler Kroft, or CMC instead of Jeff Wilson Jr. If Trey didn't improve in those areas, some of these statistics could still improve because the impact the other players have on them would be different (because it would be better players).

What I do know is when Kyle makes an inevitable decision between the two, it won't be because of passer rating, YPA, or TD percentage. He's going to watch 'da philm' and judge it.

This. Brock lost Deebo in his first start so it kinda evens out, but it still doesn't matter, I know what I'm seeing. We can give Trey more weapons and they'll make a few more plays for him, but the offense will still be the same clunky mess that relies on Kyle getting a long developing deep shot open for him to score consistently

LMAO

Yeah Brock losing Deebo in the middle of a game that was already a blowout is the same thing as:

-No Kittle
-Jeff Wilson Jr. instead of Christian Mccaffrey
-60% of the OL playing for the first time
-playing in the rain on the road
-week 1

Yeah, totally even.

I said kinda even, not totally. Also said it didn't matter because you can tell by watching (yes, in a small sample) that one is a big athlete while the other is a QB. I've also never seen CMC make a QB good.

We can give Trey CMC Kittle and Aiyuk. The QB play will still be bad

I know what you said, and it's still laughable to consider it even in the same universe.

It's laughable to think Trey and Brock are in the same universe

Wow someone's emotional here. Show me once where I said that or even slightly alluded to it.

You would know Trey has no chance here because we will have to pay Brock otherwise

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
LMAO

Yeah Brock losing Deebo in the middle of a game that was already a blowout is the same thing as:

-No Kittle
-Jeff Wilson Jr. instead of Christian Mccaffrey
-60% of the OL playing for the first time
-playing in the rain on the road
-week 1

Yeah, totally even.

the excuses, don't hold water
they tend to miss the point worse than TL missed Kroft

How about this comp

Deebo vs D Pettis
Aiyuk vs EQ St Brown
Kyle Shanahan vs Eberflus
Trent Williams vs ???

so this idea TL had a million excuses for week one, Fields had way more reason to lose that game..

if TL can't put it in the endzone with BA, Deebo and Trent, and Shanahan calling plays.. how would he do it with EQ ST Brown, Pettis and no OL?

He has to get a lot better that's what this offseason is about.

Yeah I'm not reading this.

For the 3rd or 4th time, what you call excuses in this thread, you would call context in the Jimmy thread.

Hahaha. we had to listen to years worth of Jimmy excuses…especially from the CEO of the Jimmy fan club. Now listen to the flip flopping. It's truly mind blowing.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by genus49:
We saw CMC make Jimmy a better QB. You're right he is proven and we saw him struggle in certain situations, then CMC got here and suddenly he's a much better player in those same situations.

CMC brings a lot to this offense both as an outlet in the passing game or as a key chess piece for defenses to account for. If you stop looking at box scores and dig into the tape you'll see him sucking up defenders like a sponge and opening up things for other guys.

Thinking that won't help Trey be a better QB is ignorant.

We didn't get an accurate read on what Trey is or isnt this season. Chicago weather is absolutely an issue that you can't make proper evaluations in and if you actually look at the game without hater shades you'll see Trey actually outplayed Fields who got all the credit. Even in the Seattle game it was raining tho not nearly as bad and the offense was moving very well with him out there.

Every time you post you show your ignorance on the subject.

If you expect your QB to have success in this league when 57% of your passing yardage and all of your passing TDs come on blown plays by the defense in a game where footing was a major issue then...well actually that would check out given your track record.

The rest of us can tell a difference between fluke plays and NFL level throws which can be made consistently. You can claim the same tired argument how poor Justin was playing with scrubs and facing the 49ers juggernaut but we all saw the game. We saw a very different 49ers team.

I mean when you have a 5th round rookie taking it to Trent Williams(then calling him out saying he's tipping plays) and then tossing Mike McGlinchey aside for another critical sack and looking like a steal on his way to 1.5 sacks and big plays...only to see him finish the season with a whopping 1.5 sacks in 17 games of play.

MAYBE, just MAYBE...there was something to that week 1 s**t show that had nothing to do with Trey as much as you want to put it all on him.

But sure...let's live in the land where Lance stunk and the weather wasn't an issue and adding Kittle and/or CMC wouldn't have helped him look any better.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
only thing matters is winning football games..
we lost the a 3-14 Bear team and ppl still today a year later in here about the weather and TL had no talent around him takes.. even tho his talent around is 100x better than EQ St Brown and a dude we cut.. pretty sure St Brown is a dude the Packers cut..

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
the excuses, don't hold water
they tend to miss the point worse than TL missed Kroft

How about this comp

Deebo vs D Pettis
Aiyuk vs EQ St Brown
Kyle Shanahan vs Eberflus
Trent Williams vs ???

so this idea TL had a million excuses for week one, Fields had way more reason to lose that game..

if TL can't put it in the endzone with BA, Deebo and Trent, and Shanahan calling plays.. how would he do it with EQ ST Brown, Pettis and no OL?

He has to get a lot better that's what this offseason is about.

Excuses only matter for Jimmy and Darnold.

only thing matters is winning football games..
we lost the a 3-14 Bear team and ppl still today a year later in here about the weather and TL had no talent around him takes.. even tho his talent around is 100x better than EQ St Brown and a dude we cut.. pretty sure St Brown is a dude the Packers cut..

Nobody said that. Save your hyperbole for other people who can't use logic to state their points.

We said the talent around him didn't play up to their standards. Read my earlier post and feel free to comment. Week 1 is an absolute crazy time and every year we have these type of games where a SB contender gets beaten by a team that ends up picking top 3. We've had our own version of that beating a heavy favorite Vikings team under Tomsula and everyone thought we were gonna be way better than we were. How'd that season go?

Justin Fields had all of his big time throws happen AFTER 49ers defense made awful and stupid penalties after stopping Bears drives. Call it rust, call it over excitedness but our guys played dumb and unlike the team we saw the majority of this season. That was crystal clear to anyone without an ax to grind with Trey.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Hahaha. we had to listen to years worth of Jimmy excuses…especially from the CEO of the Jimmy fan club. Now listen to the flip flopping. It's truly mind blowing.

There's gonna be a Trey standard going forward and an everyone else standard. Trey MUST play like how Brock did to keep the starting role. It won't be about wins.

Brock on other hand will be allowed to regress as long as the team is winning. Of that i have no doubt.

Reality is the 9ers need whoever the QB is come playoff time playing like Brock was last year. We need a guy approaching a top 5 level to win the damn SB. That's the standard whoever is the starter should be held to at end of season. I expect that to hold true of only one however.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
It's easy to forget the players around them when Purdy had Kittle and CMC and Trey didn't.

If Trey had played a full season or the opposite situation happened, in that, Trey had Kittle and CMC but Purdy didn't. Or if Purdy started the season with multiple inexperienced offensive lineman and Trey came in later when they were more comfortable. I would think all of these points were valid.

If I was a betting man I'd still say Purdy will win the job, but it's still too soon.

A comparison between Trey and Brock shouldn't and doesn't have to rely on supporting cast around them... even though the cast directly affects the statistics people are arguing about.

Brock consistently showed poise under pressure, a good understanding of the offense, a willingness to pull the trigger on open reads, an ability to improvise and both kill bad plays and extend plays and turn potential losses into gains, good accuracy, good field vision, an ability to go through progressions quickly. These traits in conjunction with the supporting cast are what lead to success in terms of production and statistics. Only the production and statistics would directly suffer if the cast was different, but the individual play wouldn't necessarily change. You might see a QB try to do too much because he has to make up for subpar teammate performance however.

I'm not sure what everyone thinks Trey showed consistently in his limited time (we can have good arguments about it) but I would say it was mostly limited to an ability to attack a defense with his legs, solid vision, and the ability to stretch the defense with solid downfield accuracy. Beyond that it was inconsistent accuracy, frenetic play in the pocket, hesitation in pulling the trigger and in the run game, inconsistent timing. Are those things going to change with more experience? We all hope so. But they're not necessarily going to change if he has Kittle instead of Tyler Kroft, or CMC instead of Jeff Wilson Jr. If Trey didn't improve in those areas, some of these statistics could still improve because the impact the other players have on them would be different (because it would be better players).

What I do know is when Kyle makes an inevitable decision between the two, it won't be because of passer rating, YPA, or TD percentage. He's going to watch 'da philm' and judge it.

This. Brock lost Deebo in his first start so it kinda evens out, but it still doesn't matter, I know what I'm seeing. We can give Trey more weapons and they'll make a few more plays for him, but the offense will still be the same clunky mess that relies on Kyle getting a long developing deep shot open for him to score consistently

LMAO

Yeah Brock losing Deebo in the middle of a game that was already a blowout is the same thing as:

-No Kittle
-Jeff Wilson Jr. instead of Christian Mccaffrey
-60% of the OL playing for the first time
-playing in the rain on the road
-week 1

Yeah, totally even.

I said kinda even, not totally. Also said it didn't matter because you can tell by watching (yes, in a small sample) that one is a big athlete while the other is a QB. I've also never seen CMC make a QB good.

We can give Trey CMC Kittle and Aiyuk. The QB play will still be bad

I know what you said, and it's still laughable to consider it even in the same universe.

It's laughable to think Trey and Brock are in the same universe

Agreed. Trey's arm strength, size and speed simply can't be taught.

That works when you're on a stacked team playing against a bunch of kids you're bigger and faster than. It takes a whole lot more than that in the big leagues. Ask Logan Thomas

Or we could ask Josh Allen and Jalen Hurts.

Who didn't have nothing but a season as the big kid on a stacked team under their belts. These dudes played QB their whole lives and took years to develop. Trey has basically done less than Josh Johnson before entering the NFl

I suppose you'll always be right when your ramblings are incoherent.

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

It's easy to forget the players around them when Purdy had Kittle and CMC and Trey didn't.

If Trey had played a full season or the opposite situation happened, in that, Trey had Kittle and CMC but Purdy didn't. Or if Purdy started the season with multiple inexperienced offensive lineman and Trey came in later when they were more comfortable. I would think all of these points were valid.

If I was a betting man I'd still say Purdy will win the job, but it's still too soon.

A comparison between Trey and Brock shouldn't and doesn't have to rely on supporting cast around them... even though the cast directly affects the statistics people are arguing about.

Brock consistently showed poise under pressure, a good understanding of the offense, a willingness to pull the trigger on open reads, an ability to improvise and both kill bad plays and extend plays and turn potential losses into gains, good accuracy, good field vision, an ability to go through progressions quickly. These traits in conjunction with the supporting cast are what lead to success in terms of production and statistics. Only the production and statistics would directly suffer if the cast was different, but the individual play wouldn't necessarily change. You might see a QB try to do too much because he has to make up for subpar teammate performance however.

I'm not sure what everyone thinks Trey showed consistently in his limited time (we can have good arguments about it) but I would say it was mostly limited to an ability to attack a defense with his legs, solid vision, and the ability to stretch the defense with solid downfield accuracy. Beyond that it was inconsistent accuracy, frenetic play in the pocket, hesitation in pulling the trigger and in the run game, inconsistent timing. Are those things going to change with more experience? We all hope so. But they're not necessarily going to change if he has Kittle instead of Tyler Kroft, or CMC instead of Jeff Wilson Jr. If Trey didn't improve in those areas, some of these statistics could still improve because the impact the other players have on them would be different (because it would be better players).

What I do know is when Kyle makes an inevitable decision between the two, it won't be because of passer rating, YPA, or TD percentage. He's going to watch 'da philm' and judge it.

This. Brock lost Deebo in his first start so it kinda evens out, but it still doesn't matter, I know what I'm seeing. We can give Trey more weapons and they'll make a few more plays for him, but the offense will still be the same clunky mess that relies on Kyle getting a long developing deep shot open for him to score consistently

LMAO

Yeah Brock losing Deebo in the middle of a game that was already a blowout is the same thing as:

-No Kittle
-Jeff Wilson Jr. instead of Christian Mccaffrey
-60% of the OL playing for the first time
-playing in the rain on the road
-week 1

Yeah, totally even.

I said kinda even, not totally. Also said it didn't matter because you can tell by watching (yes, in a small sample) that one is a big athlete while the other is a QB. I've also never seen CMC make a QB good.

We can give Trey CMC Kittle and Aiyuk. The QB play will still be bad

I know what you said, and it's still laughable to consider it even in the same universe.

It's laughable to think Trey and Brock are in the same universe

Agreed. Trey's arm strength, size and speed simply can't be taught.

That works when you're on a stacked team playing against a bunch of kids you're bigger and faster than. It takes a whole lot more than that in the big leagues. Ask Logan Thomas

Or we could ask Josh Allen and Jalen Hurts.

Who didn't have nothing but a season as the big kid on a stacked team under their belts. These dudes played QB their whole lives and took years to develop. Trey has basically done less than Josh Johnson before entering the NFl

I suppose you'll always be right when your ramblings are incoherent.

Treys only experience before entering the NFL was being the big kid in the kiddie league for a season.

Hurts and Allen were much more experienced entering the NFL.

Hope that explains the sentence for you

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
There's gonna be a Trey standard going forward and an everyone else standard. Trey MUST play like how Brock did to keep the starting role. It won't be about wins.

Brock on other hand will be allowed to regress as long as the team is winning. Of that i have no doubt.

Reality is the 9ers need whoever the QB is come playoff time playing like Brock was last year. We need a guy approaching a top 5 level to win the damn SB. That's the standard whoever is the starter should be held to at end of season. I expect that to hold true of only one however.

Dude there's so many weird childish layers to the QB situation here. Most of these people ridiculing Lance were massive Jimmy supporters. The others didn't want to draft Lance. Who knows with faithful, dude flip flops daily…IMO there's no objective conversation to be had with them.

End of the day I think most fans don't care if it's Trey or Brock so long as they're developing and improving. IMO the NFC is wide open and we can win games with either guy…it's all about getting that QB that can be top 5 though. Who can and can't be that? Time will tell.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Dude there's so many weird childish layers to the QB situation here. Most of these people ridiculing Lance were massive Jimmy supporters. The others didn't want to draft Lance. Who knows with faithful, dude flip flops daily…IMO there's no objective conversation to be had with them.

End of the day I think most fans don't care if it's Trey or Brock so long as they're developing and improving. IMO the NFC is wide open and we can win games with either guy…it's all about getting that QB that can be top 5 though. Who can and can't be that? Time will tell.

Best man wins. We don't know what either one can or can't be yet so giving Blaine Gabbert 2.0 a legit shot makes no sense to me. Let's see what the young guys can do over a large enough sample size to see if one is that top 5 guy.

Best way for this franchise to stay where they are over the next decade is get one of them to elite status. That should be the primary focus.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Dude there's so many weird childish layers to the QB situation here. Most of these people ridiculing Lance were massive Jimmy supporters. The others didn't want to draft Lance. Who knows with faithful, dude flip flops daily…IMO there's no objective conversation to be had with them.

End of the day I think most fans don't care if it's Trey or Brock so long as they're developing and improving. IMO the NFC is wide open and we can win games with either guy…it's all about getting that QB that can be top 5 though. Who can and can't be that? Time will tell.

Best man wins. We don't know what either one can or can't be yet so giving Blaine Gabbert 2.0 a legit shot makes no sense to me. Let's see what the young guys can do over a large enough sample size to see if one is that top 5 guy.

Best way for this franchise to stay where they are over the next decade is get one of them to elite status. That should be the primary focus.

Never seen some fans so scared of giving a young kid an opportunity to show what he can do…just bizarre.

Originally posted by genus49:
Never seen some fans so scared of giving a young kid an opportunity to show what he can do…just bizarre.

Why exactly do you think fans are scared of Trey getting an opportunity? I see this stupidity thrown out quite a bit