Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
It's easy to forget the players around them when Purdy had Kittle and CMC and Trey didn't.

If Trey had played a full season or the opposite situation happened, in that, Trey had Kittle and CMC but Purdy didn't. Or if Purdy started the season with multiple inexperienced offensive lineman and Trey came in later when they were more comfortable. I would think all of these points were valid.

If I was a betting man I'd still say Purdy will win the job, but it's still too soon.

A comparison between Trey and Brock shouldn't and doesn't have to rely on supporting cast around them... even though the cast directly affects the statistics people are arguing about.

Brock consistently showed poise under pressure, a good understanding of the offense, a willingness to pull the trigger on open reads, an ability to improvise and both kill bad plays and extend plays and turn potential losses into gains, good accuracy, good field vision, an ability to go through progressions quickly. These traits in conjunction with the supporting cast are what lead to success in terms of production and statistics. Only the production and statistics would directly suffer if the cast was different, but the individual play wouldn't necessarily change. You might see a QB try to do too much because he has to make up for subpar teammate performance however.

I'm not sure what everyone thinks Trey showed consistently in his limited time (we can have good arguments about it) but I would say it was mostly limited to an ability to attack a defense with his legs, solid vision, and the ability to stretch the defense with solid downfield accuracy. Beyond that it was inconsistent accuracy, frenetic play in the pocket, hesitation in pulling the trigger and in the run game, inconsistent timing. Are those things going to change with more experience? We all hope so. But they're not necessarily going to change if he has Kittle instead of Tyler Kroft, or CMC instead of Jeff Wilson Jr. If Trey didn't improve in those areas, some of these statistics could still improve because the impact the other players have on them would be different (because it would be better players).

What I do know is when Kyle makes an inevitable decision between the two, it won't be because of passer rating, YPA, or TD percentage. He's going to watch 'da philm' and judge it.

This. Brock lost Deebo in his first start so it kinda evens out, but it still doesn't matter, I know what I'm seeing. We can give Trey more weapons and they'll make a few more plays for him, but the offense will still be the same clunky mess that relies on Kyle getting a long developing deep shot open for him to score consistently

LMAO

Yeah Brock losing Deebo in the middle of a game that was already a blowout is the same thing as:

-No Kittle
-Jeff Wilson Jr. instead of Christian Mccaffrey
-60% of the OL playing for the first time
-playing in the rain on the road
-week 1

Yeah, totally even.

I said kinda even, not totally. Also said it didn't matter because you can tell by watching (yes, in a small sample) that one is a big athlete while the other is a QB. I've also never seen CMC make a QB good.

We can give Trey CMC Kittle and Aiyuk. The QB play will still be bad

I know what you said, and it's still laughable to consider it even in the same universe.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

It's easy to forget the players around them when Purdy had Kittle and CMC and Trey didn't.

If Trey had played a full season or the opposite situation happened, in that, Trey had Kittle and CMC but Purdy didn't. Or if Purdy started the season with multiple inexperienced offensive lineman and Trey came in later when they were more comfortable. I would think all of these points were valid.

If I was a betting man I'd still say Purdy will win the job, but it's still too soon.

A comparison between Trey and Brock shouldn't and doesn't have to rely on supporting cast around them... even though the cast directly affects the statistics people are arguing about.

Brock consistently showed poise under pressure, a good understanding of the offense, a willingness to pull the trigger on open reads, an ability to improvise and both kill bad plays and extend plays and turn potential losses into gains, good accuracy, good field vision, an ability to go through progressions quickly. These traits in conjunction with the supporting cast are what lead to success in terms of production and statistics. Only the production and statistics would directly suffer if the cast was different, but the individual play wouldn't necessarily change. You might see a QB try to do too much because he has to make up for subpar teammate performance however.

I'm not sure what everyone thinks Trey showed consistently in his limited time (we can have good arguments about it) but I would say it was mostly limited to an ability to attack a defense with his legs, solid vision, and the ability to stretch the defense with solid downfield accuracy. Beyond that it was inconsistent accuracy, frenetic play in the pocket, hesitation in pulling the trigger and in the run game, inconsistent timing. Are those things going to change with more experience? We all hope so. But they're not necessarily going to change if he has Kittle instead of Tyler Kroft, or CMC instead of Jeff Wilson Jr. If Trey didn't improve in those areas, some of these statistics could still improve because the impact the other players have on them would be different (because it would be better players).

What I do know is when Kyle makes an inevitable decision between the two, it won't be because of passer rating, YPA, or TD percentage. He's going to watch 'da philm' and judge it.

This. Brock lost Deebo in his first start so it kinda evens out, but it still doesn't matter, I know what I'm seeing. We can give Trey more weapons and they'll make a few more plays for him, but the offense will still be the same clunky mess that relies on Kyle getting a long developing deep shot open for him to score consistently

LMAO

Yeah Brock losing Deebo in the middle of a game that was already a blowout is the same thing as:

-No Kittle
-Jeff Wilson Jr. instead of Christian Mccaffrey
-60% of the OL playing for the first time
-playing in the rain on the road
-week 1

Yeah, totally even.

I said kinda even, not totally. Also said it didn't matter because you can tell by watching (yes, in a small sample) that one is a big athlete while the other is a QB. I've also never seen CMC make a QB good.

We can give Trey CMC Kittle and Aiyuk. The QB play will still be bad

I know what you said, and it's still laughable to consider it even in the same universe.

It's laughable to think Trey and Brock are in the same universe

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
It's easy to forget the players around them when Purdy had Kittle and CMC and Trey didn't.

If Trey had played a full season or the opposite situation happened, in that, Trey had Kittle and CMC but Purdy didn't. Or if Purdy started the season with multiple inexperienced offensive lineman and Trey came in later when they were more comfortable. I would think all of these points were valid.

If I was a betting man I'd still say Purdy will win the job, but it's still too soon.

A comparison between Trey and Brock shouldn't and doesn't have to rely on supporting cast around them... even though the cast directly affects the statistics people are arguing about.

Brock consistently showed poise under pressure, a good understanding of the offense, a willingness to pull the trigger on open reads, an ability to improvise and both kill bad plays and extend plays and turn potential losses into gains, good accuracy, good field vision, an ability to go through progressions quickly. These traits in conjunction with the supporting cast are what lead to success in terms of production and statistics. Only the production and statistics would directly suffer if the cast was different, but the individual play wouldn't necessarily change. You might see a QB try to do too much because he has to make up for subpar teammate performance however.

I'm not sure what everyone thinks Trey showed consistently in his limited time (we can have good arguments about it) but I would say it was mostly limited to an ability to attack a defense with his legs, solid vision, and the ability to stretch the defense with solid downfield accuracy. Beyond that it was inconsistent accuracy, frenetic play in the pocket, hesitation in pulling the trigger and in the run game, inconsistent timing. Are those things going to change with more experience? We all hope so. But they're not necessarily going to change if he has Kittle instead of Tyler Kroft, or CMC instead of Jeff Wilson Jr. If Trey didn't improve in those areas, some of these statistics could still improve because the impact the other players have on them would be different (because it would be better players).

What I do know is when Kyle makes an inevitable decision between the two, it won't be because of passer rating, YPA, or TD percentage. He's going to watch 'da philm' and judge it.

This. Brock lost Deebo in his first start so it kinda evens out, but it still doesn't matter, I know what I'm seeing. We can give Trey more weapons and they'll make a few more plays for him, but the offense will still be the same clunky mess that relies on Kyle getting a long developing deep shot open for him to score consistently

LMAO

Yeah Brock losing Deebo in the middle of a game that was already a blowout is the same thing as:

-No Kittle
-Jeff Wilson Jr. instead of Christian Mccaffrey
-60% of the OL playing for the first time
-playing in the rain on the road
-week 1

Yeah, totally even.

I said kinda even, not totally. Also said it didn't matter because you can tell by watching (yes, in a small sample) that one is a big athlete while the other is a QB. I've also never seen CMC make a QB good.

We can give Trey CMC Kittle and Aiyuk. The QB play will still be bad

I know what you said, and it's still laughable to consider it even in the same universe.

It's laughable to think Trey and Brock are in the same universe

Agreed. Trey's arm strength, size and speed simply can't be taught.

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

It's easy to forget the players around them when Purdy had Kittle and CMC and Trey didn't.

If Trey had played a full season or the opposite situation happened, in that, Trey had Kittle and CMC but Purdy didn't. Or if Purdy started the season with multiple inexperienced offensive lineman and Trey came in later when they were more comfortable. I would think all of these points were valid.

If I was a betting man I'd still say Purdy will win the job, but it's still too soon.

A comparison between Trey and Brock shouldn't and doesn't have to rely on supporting cast around them... even though the cast directly affects the statistics people are arguing about.

Brock consistently showed poise under pressure, a good understanding of the offense, a willingness to pull the trigger on open reads, an ability to improvise and both kill bad plays and extend plays and turn potential losses into gains, good accuracy, good field vision, an ability to go through progressions quickly. These traits in conjunction with the supporting cast are what lead to success in terms of production and statistics. Only the production and statistics would directly suffer if the cast was different, but the individual play wouldn't necessarily change. You might see a QB try to do too much because he has to make up for subpar teammate performance however.

I'm not sure what everyone thinks Trey showed consistently in his limited time (we can have good arguments about it) but I would say it was mostly limited to an ability to attack a defense with his legs, solid vision, and the ability to stretch the defense with solid downfield accuracy. Beyond that it was inconsistent accuracy, frenetic play in the pocket, hesitation in pulling the trigger and in the run game, inconsistent timing. Are those things going to change with more experience? We all hope so. But they're not necessarily going to change if he has Kittle instead of Tyler Kroft, or CMC instead of Jeff Wilson Jr. If Trey didn't improve in those areas, some of these statistics could still improve because the impact the other players have on them would be different (because it would be better players).

What I do know is when Kyle makes an inevitable decision between the two, it won't be because of passer rating, YPA, or TD percentage. He's going to watch 'da philm' and judge it.

This. Brock lost Deebo in his first start so it kinda evens out, but it still doesn't matter, I know what I'm seeing. We can give Trey more weapons and they'll make a few more plays for him, but the offense will still be the same clunky mess that relies on Kyle getting a long developing deep shot open for him to score consistently

LMAO

Yeah Brock losing Deebo in the middle of a game that was already a blowout is the same thing as:

-No Kittle
-Jeff Wilson Jr. instead of Christian Mccaffrey
-60% of the OL playing for the first time
-playing in the rain on the road
-week 1

Yeah, totally even.

I said kinda even, not totally. Also said it didn't matter because you can tell by watching (yes, in a small sample) that one is a big athlete while the other is a QB. I've also never seen CMC make a QB good.

We can give Trey CMC Kittle and Aiyuk. The QB play will still be bad

I know what you said, and it's still laughable to consider it even in the same universe.

It's laughable to think Trey and Brock are in the same universe

Agreed. Trey's arm strength, size and speed simply can't be taught.

That works when you're on a stacked team playing against a bunch of kids you're bigger and faster than. It takes a whole lot more than that in the big leagues. Ask Logan Thomas

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
It's easy to forget the players around them when Purdy had Kittle and CMC and Trey didn't.

If Trey had played a full season or the opposite situation happened, in that, Trey had Kittle and CMC but Purdy didn't. Or if Purdy started the season with multiple inexperienced offensive lineman and Trey came in later when they were more comfortable. I would think all of these points were valid.

If I was a betting man I'd still say Purdy will win the job, but it's still too soon.

A comparison between Trey and Brock shouldn't and doesn't have to rely on supporting cast around them... even though the cast directly affects the statistics people are arguing about.

Brock consistently showed poise under pressure, a good understanding of the offense, a willingness to pull the trigger on open reads, an ability to improvise and both kill bad plays and extend plays and turn potential losses into gains, good accuracy, good field vision, an ability to go through progressions quickly. These traits in conjunction with the supporting cast are what lead to success in terms of production and statistics. Only the production and statistics would directly suffer if the cast was different, but the individual play wouldn't necessarily change. You might see a QB try to do too much because he has to make up for subpar teammate performance however.

I'm not sure what everyone thinks Trey showed consistently in his limited time (we can have good arguments about it) but I would say it was mostly limited to an ability to attack a defense with his legs, solid vision, and the ability to stretch the defense with solid downfield accuracy. Beyond that it was inconsistent accuracy, frenetic play in the pocket, hesitation in pulling the trigger and in the run game, inconsistent timing. Are those things going to change with more experience? We all hope so. But they're not necessarily going to change if he has Kittle instead of Tyler Kroft, or CMC instead of Jeff Wilson Jr. If Trey didn't improve in those areas, some of these statistics could still improve because the impact the other players have on them would be different (because it would be better players).

What I do know is when Kyle makes an inevitable decision between the two, it won't be because of passer rating, YPA, or TD percentage. He's going to watch 'da philm' and judge it.

This. Brock lost Deebo in his first start so it kinda evens out, but it still doesn't matter, I know what I'm seeing. We can give Trey more weapons and they'll make a few more plays for him, but the offense will still be the same clunky mess that relies on Kyle getting a long developing deep shot open for him to score consistently

LMAO

Yeah Brock losing Deebo in the middle of a game that was already a blowout is the same thing as:

-No Kittle
-Jeff Wilson Jr. instead of Christian Mccaffrey
-60% of the OL playing for the first time
-playing in the rain on the road
-week 1

Yeah, totally even.

I said kinda even, not totally. Also said it didn't matter because you can tell by watching (yes, in a small sample) that one is a big athlete while the other is a QB. I've also never seen CMC make a QB good.

We can give Trey CMC Kittle and Aiyuk. The QB play will still be bad

I know what you said, and it's still laughable to consider it even in the same universe.

It's laughable to think Trey and Brock are in the same universe

Agreed. Trey's arm strength, size and speed simply can't be taught.

That works when you're on a stacked team playing against a bunch of kids you're bigger and faster than. It takes a whole lot more than that in the big leagues. Ask Logan Thomas

Or we could ask Josh Allen and Jalen Hurts.

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

It's easy to forget the players around them when Purdy had Kittle and CMC and Trey didn't.

If Trey had played a full season or the opposite situation happened, in that, Trey had Kittle and CMC but Purdy didn't. Or if Purdy started the season with multiple inexperienced offensive lineman and Trey came in later when they were more comfortable. I would think all of these points were valid.

If I was a betting man I'd still say Purdy will win the job, but it's still too soon.

A comparison between Trey and Brock shouldn't and doesn't have to rely on supporting cast around them... even though the cast directly affects the statistics people are arguing about.

Brock consistently showed poise under pressure, a good understanding of the offense, a willingness to pull the trigger on open reads, an ability to improvise and both kill bad plays and extend plays and turn potential losses into gains, good accuracy, good field vision, an ability to go through progressions quickly. These traits in conjunction with the supporting cast are what lead to success in terms of production and statistics. Only the production and statistics would directly suffer if the cast was different, but the individual play wouldn't necessarily change. You might see a QB try to do too much because he has to make up for subpar teammate performance however.

I'm not sure what everyone thinks Trey showed consistently in his limited time (we can have good arguments about it) but I would say it was mostly limited to an ability to attack a defense with his legs, solid vision, and the ability to stretch the defense with solid downfield accuracy. Beyond that it was inconsistent accuracy, frenetic play in the pocket, hesitation in pulling the trigger and in the run game, inconsistent timing. Are those things going to change with more experience? We all hope so. But they're not necessarily going to change if he has Kittle instead of Tyler Kroft, or CMC instead of Jeff Wilson Jr. If Trey didn't improve in those areas, some of these statistics could still improve because the impact the other players have on them would be different (because it would be better players).

What I do know is when Kyle makes an inevitable decision between the two, it won't be because of passer rating, YPA, or TD percentage. He's going to watch 'da philm' and judge it.

This. Brock lost Deebo in his first start so it kinda evens out, but it still doesn't matter, I know what I'm seeing. We can give Trey more weapons and they'll make a few more plays for him, but the offense will still be the same clunky mess that relies on Kyle getting a long developing deep shot open for him to score consistently

LMAO

Yeah Brock losing Deebo in the middle of a game that was already a blowout is the same thing as:

-No Kittle
-Jeff Wilson Jr. instead of Christian Mccaffrey
-60% of the OL playing for the first time
-playing in the rain on the road
-week 1

Yeah, totally even.

I said kinda even, not totally. Also said it didn't matter because you can tell by watching (yes, in a small sample) that one is a big athlete while the other is a QB. I've also never seen CMC make a QB good.

We can give Trey CMC Kittle and Aiyuk. The QB play will still be bad

I know what you said, and it's still laughable to consider it even in the same universe.

It's laughable to think Trey and Brock are in the same universe

Agreed. Trey's arm strength, size and speed simply can't be taught.

That works when you're on a stacked team playing against a bunch of kids you're bigger and faster than. It takes a whole lot more than that in the big leagues. Ask Logan Thomas

Or we could ask Josh Allen and Jalen Hurts.

Who didn't have nothing but a season as the big kid on a stacked team under their belts. These dudes played QB their whole lives and took years to develop. Trey has basically done less than Josh Johnson before entering the NFl

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
I said kinda even, not totally. Also said it didn't matter because you can tell by watching (yes, in a small sample) that one is a big athlete while the other is a QB. I've also never seen CMC make a QB good.

We can give Trey CMC Kittle and Aiyuk. The QB play will still be bad

We've seen CMC improve QB play in a big way. We've literally saw it happen last season with Jimmy.

And no matter how much you claim Trey played "bad" doesn't make it so. Giving him two guys who absolutely make the offense better and harder to defend would make Trey better. That's not arguable.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

I said kinda even, not totally. Also said it didn't matter because you can tell by watching (yes, in a small sample) that one is a big athlete while the other is a QB. I've also never seen CMC make a QB good.

We can give Trey CMC Kittle and Aiyuk. The QB play will still be bad

We've seen CMC improve QB play in a big way. We've literally saw it happen last season with Jimmy.

And no matter how much you claim Trey played "bad" doesn't make it so. Giving him two guys who absolutely make the offense better and harder to defend would make Trey better. That's not arguable.

Stats look better and CMC makes plays, but the QB is not better. The whole offense still wasn't used until Brock came in

Jimmy is also a proven starter in the NFL. Let's let Trey prove he belongs before we say he's going to tear it up with CMC

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
I said kinda even, not totally. Also said it didn't matter because you can tell by watching (yes, in a small sample) that one is a big athlete while the other is a QB. I've also never seen CMC make a QB good.

We can give Trey CMC Kittle and Aiyuk. The QB play will still be bad

We've seen CMC improve QB play in a big way. We've literally saw it happen last season with Jimmy.

And no matter how much you claim Trey played "bad" doesn't make it so. Giving him two guys who absolutely make the offense better and harder to defend would make Trey better. That's not arguable.

Stats look better and CMC makes plays, but the QB is not better. The whole offense still wasn't used until Brock came in

Jimmy is also a proven starter in the NFL. Let's let Trey prove he belongs before we say he's going to tear it up with CMC

We saw CMC make Jimmy a better QB. You're right he is proven and we saw him struggle in certain situations, then CMC got here and suddenly he's a much better player in those same situations.

CMC brings a lot to this offense both as an outlet in the passing game or as a key chess piece for defenses to account for. If you stop looking at box scores and dig into the tape you'll see him sucking up defenders like a sponge and opening up things for other guys.

Thinking that won't help Trey be a better QB is ignorant.

We didn't get an accurate read on what Trey is or isnt this season. Chicago weather is absolutely an issue that you can't make proper evaluations in and if you actually look at the game without hater shades you'll see Trey actually outplayed Fields who got all the credit. Even in the Seattle game it was raining tho not nearly as bad and the offense was moving very well with him out there.

Originally posted by genus49:
We saw CMC make Jimmy a better QB. You're right he is proven and we saw him struggle in certain situations, then CMC got here and suddenly he's a much better player in those same situations.

CMC brings a lot to this offense both as an outlet in the passing game or as a key chess piece for defenses to account for. If you stop looking at box scores and dig into the tape you'll see him sucking up defenders like a sponge and opening up things for other guys.

Thinking that won't help Trey be a better QB is ignorant.

We didn't get an accurate read on what Trey is or isnt this season. Chicago weather is absolutely an issue that you can't make proper evaluations in and if you actually look at the game without hater shades you'll see Trey actually outplayed Fields who got all the credit. Even in the Seattle game it was raining tho not nearly as bad and the offense was moving very well with him out there.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
LMAO

Yeah Brock losing Deebo in the middle of a game that was already a blowout is the same thing as:

-No Kittle
-Jeff Wilson Jr. instead of Christian Mccaffrey
-60% of the OL playing for the first time
-playing in the rain on the road
-week 1

Yeah, totally even.

the excuses, don't hold water
they tend to miss the point worse than TL missed Kroft

How about this comp

Deebo vs D Pettis
Aiyuk vs EQ St Brown
Kyle Shanahan vs Eberflus
Trent Williams vs ???

so this idea TL had a million excuses for week one, Fields had way more reason to lose that game..

if TL can't put it in the endzone with BA, Deebo and Trent, and Shanahan calling plays.. how would he do it with EQ ST Brown, Pettis and no OL?

He has to get a lot better that's what this offseason is about.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
the excuses, don't hold water
they tend to miss the point worse than TL missed Kroft

How about this comp

Deebo vs D Pettis
Aiyuk vs EQ St Brown
Kyle Shanahan vs Eberflus
Trent Williams vs ???

so this idea TL had a million excuses for week one, Fields had way more reason to lose that game..

if TL can't put it in the endzone with BA, Deebo and Trent, and Shanahan calling plays.. how would he do it with EQ ST Brown, Pettis and no OL?

He has to get a lot better that's what this offseason is about.

Excuses only matter for Jimmy and Darnold.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
It's easy to forget the players around them when Purdy had Kittle and CMC and Trey didn't.

If Trey had played a full season or the opposite situation happened, in that, Trey had Kittle and CMC but Purdy didn't. Or if Purdy started the season with multiple inexperienced offensive lineman and Trey came in later when they were more comfortable. I would think all of these points were valid.

If I was a betting man I'd still say Purdy will win the job, but it's still too soon.

A comparison between Trey and Brock shouldn't and doesn't have to rely on supporting cast around them... even though the cast directly affects the statistics people are arguing about.

Brock consistently showed poise under pressure, a good understanding of the offense, a willingness to pull the trigger on open reads, an ability to improvise and both kill bad plays and extend plays and turn potential losses into gains, good accuracy, good field vision, an ability to go through progressions quickly. These traits in conjunction with the supporting cast are what lead to success in terms of production and statistics. Only the production and statistics would directly suffer if the cast was different, but the individual play wouldn't necessarily change. You might see a QB try to do too much because he has to make up for subpar teammate performance however.

I'm not sure what everyone thinks Trey showed consistently in his limited time (we can have good arguments about it) but I would say it was mostly limited to an ability to attack a defense with his legs, solid vision, and the ability to stretch the defense with solid downfield accuracy. Beyond that it was inconsistent accuracy, frenetic play in the pocket, hesitation in pulling the trigger and in the run game, inconsistent timing. Are those things going to change with more experience? We all hope so. But they're not necessarily going to change if he has Kittle instead of Tyler Kroft, or CMC instead of Jeff Wilson Jr. If Trey didn't improve in those areas, some of these statistics could still improve because the impact the other players have on them would be different (because it would be better players).

What I do know is when Kyle makes an inevitable decision between the two, it won't be because of passer rating, YPA, or TD percentage. He's going to watch 'da philm' and judge it.

This. Brock lost Deebo in his first start so it kinda evens out, but it still doesn't matter, I know what I'm seeing. We can give Trey more weapons and they'll make a few more plays for him, but the offense will still be the same clunky mess that relies on Kyle getting a long developing deep shot open for him to score consistently

LMAO

Yeah Brock losing Deebo in the middle of a game that was already a blowout is the same thing as:

-No Kittle
-Jeff Wilson Jr. instead of Christian Mccaffrey
-60% of the OL playing for the first time
-playing in the rain on the road
-week 1

Yeah, totally even.

I said kinda even, not totally. Also said it didn't matter because you can tell by watching (yes, in a small sample) that one is a big athlete while the other is a QB. I've also never seen CMC make a QB good.

We can give Trey CMC Kittle and Aiyuk. The QB play will still be bad

I know what you said, and it's still laughable to consider it even in the same universe.

It's laughable to think Trey and Brock are in the same universe

Wow someone's emotional here. Show me once where I said that or even slightly alluded to it.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
the excuses, don't hold water
they tend to miss the point worse than TL missed Kroft

How about this comp

Deebo vs D Pettis
Aiyuk vs EQ St Brown
Kyle Shanahan vs Eberflus
Trent Williams vs ???

so this idea TL had a million excuses for week one, Fields had way more reason to lose that game..

if TL can't put it in the endzone with BA, Deebo and Trent, and Shanahan calling plays.. how would he do it with EQ ST Brown, Pettis and no OL?

He has to get a lot better that's what this offseason is about.

Excuses only matter for Jimmy and Darnold.

only thing matters is winning football games..
we lost the a 3-14 Bear team and ppl still today a year later in here about the weather and TL had no talent around him takes.. even tho his talent around is 100x better than EQ St Brown and a dude we cut.. pretty sure St Brown is a dude the Packers cut..