Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by krizay:
The problem with what you are saying is often times teams are fitting a round peg in a square hole. They think they can mold the high traits and upside and majority of the time it's not the case.

They are often better off taking the guy that fits what they are trying to do offensively. These QBs aren't one size fit all. Taking the biggest, fastest & strongest doesn't guarantee anything.

Kyle's offense is the complete opposite of what Trey's skillset is. We are taking multiple years trying to mold him into Kyle's offense. That usually doesn't end well.

I think if Trey was on a shotgun, spread heavy team he could possibly be on a better trajectory. In this offense, I just don't see it.

IMO and I don't care if ESPN, Twitter or YouTube agrees with me, EVERY QB (except Mahomes, Possibly Burrow and Herbert) needs to be in the right system to succeed. You can't just have physical traits. The non physical traits needs to match that of your offensive Coordinator

The pick didn't make a lot of sense on a lot of levels. Rocket armed not so accurate QB for a YAC throw it short attack, and a guy who barely played in college to a team built to win now. I still think he can work out cuz the rest of the O does the heavy lifting around here, not the QB.

It didn't if Kyle was happy with Jimmy G and his play style.

It's almost as if…. Kyle wanted something more.

Originally posted by Waterbear:
It didn't if Kyle was happy with Jimmy G and his play style.

It's almost as if…. Kyle wanted something more.

Which is crazy since Jimmy has out dueled every qb he's ever been matched up against.

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by krizay:
The problem with what you are saying is often times teams are fitting a round peg in a square hole. They think they can mold the high traits and upside and majority of the time it's not the case.

They are often better off taking the guy that fits what they are trying to do offensively. These QBs aren't one size fit all. Taking the biggest, fastest & strongest doesn't guarantee anything.

Kyle's offense is the complete opposite of what Trey's skillset is. We are taking multiple years trying to mold him into Kyle's offense. That usually doesn't end well.

I think if Trey was on a shotgun, spread heavy team he could possibly be on a better trajectory. In this offense, I just don't see it.

IMO and I don't care if ESPN, Twitter or YouTube agrees with me, EVERY QB (except Mahomes, Possibly Burrow and Herbert) needs to be in the right system to succeed. You can't just have physical traits. The non physical traits needs to match that of your offensive Coordinator

The pick didn't make a lot of sense on a lot of levels. Rocket armed not so accurate QB for a YAC throw it short attack, and a guy who barely played in college to a team built to win now. I still think he can work out cuz the rest of the O does the heavy lifting around here, not the QB.

It didn't if Kyle was happy with Jimmy G and his play style.

It's almost as if…. Kyle wanted something more.

My thoughts were he needed to do something as QB injury messed our season in 2018 and 2020, so 2 of last 3 years prior to that offseason. Something had to be done to fix the problem.

Originally posted by WINiner:
There are more stud young QB's in the NFL right now than there's ever been. Hows that again? All these teams juuuust happened to get QB's who were perfectly molded for their systems coming out? Get the hell outta here with that nonsense.

I guess it depends on how you define stud. I will widen my definition to fit your argument.

Any system

Mahomes
Burrow
Herbert

Right system

Josh Allen
Lamar Jackson
Jalen Hurts
Tua
Kyler Murray

Who else do you consider studs? I personally stop at top 4.

You likely are going to post guys with stud potential. But are they really studs?

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
It didn't if Kyle was happy with Jimmy G and his play style.

It's almost as if…. Kyle wanted something more.

Which is crazy since Jimmy has out dueled every qb he's ever been matched up against.

I think he loves JG, he just needed someone that could push JG or come in and win if JG got hurt.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
My thoughts were he needed to do something as QB injury messed our season in 2018 and 2020, so 2 of last 3 years prior to that offseason. Something had to be done to fix the problem.

Well John's words before the trade up was. "We need to upgrade the BACKUP QB position" due to JG injuries.

Originally posted by glorydayz:
I think he loves JG, he just needed someone that could push JG or come in and win if JG got hurt.

As a person sure. Seems like a great dude.

As a qb I don't think Kyle is a fan.

Trey was brought in to improve the qb position long term. Remains to be seen if he can.

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by WINiner:
There are more stud young QB's in the NFL right now than there's ever been. Hows that again? All these teams juuuust happened to get QB's who were perfectly molded for their systems coming out? Get the hell outta here with that nonsense.

I guess it depends on how you define stud. I will widen my definition to fit your argument.

Any system

Mahomes
Burrow
Herbert

Right system

Josh Allen
Lamar Jackson
Jalen Hurts
Tua
Kyler Murray

Who else do you consider studs? I personally stop at top 4.

You likely are going to post guys with stud potential. But are they really studs?

I would swap Herbert for Josh Allen or just add Allen to the Any System list.

Originally posted by glorydayz:
I would swap Herbert for Josh Allen or just add Allen to the Any System list.

I don't think Josh would do good here. And the way he constantly throws on the called run plays. Don't think Kyle would like that as well

Originally posted by krizay:
I guess it depends on how you define stud. I will widen my definition to fit your argument.

Any system

Mahomes
Burrow
Herbert

Right system

Josh Allen
Lamar Jackson
Jalen Hurts
Tua
Kyler Murray

Who else do you consider studs? I personally stop at top 4.

You likely are going to post guys with stud potential. But are they really studs?

What about Brian Dabolls system does Josh Allen fit? How did Russell Wilson fit into Darrell Bevells wco?

Only one on that list that was drafted for system fit was Kyler. Everyone else changed what they do to fit the skillset of their newly acquired QB.

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by glorydayz:
I would swap Herbert for Josh Allen or just add Allen to the Any System list.

I don't think Josh would do good here. And the way he constantly throws on the called run plays. Don't think Kyle would like that as well

Well, if Kyle likes the running game and wants to run the QB...

Not to mention the accurate rocket arm.

Picking skill sets to fit what you do is the plan in the later rounds. Not the early picks. Early picks you get the best talents you can.

Originally posted by glorydayz:
Well, if Kyle likes the running game and wants to run the QB...

Not to mention the accurate rocket arm.

Eh! The timing portion though and his accuracy dipped back to previous years(according to my BIL die hard Bills fan with whom he and I have debated Josh's accuracy)

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
It didn't if Kyle was happy with Jimmy G and his play style.

It's almost as if…. Kyle wanted something more.

Which is crazy since Jimmy has out dueled every qb he's ever been matched up against.

I think he loves JG, he just needed someone that could push JG or come in and win if JG got hurt.

But as faithful6 mentioned… Lance was not a prospect that was a sure thing to push Jimmy early in his career. He's a guy we all knew needed reps to figure it out.

So with that in mind… it's actually the opposite of what you said that's true.

We didn't move off of Jimmy because he was injury prone, we moved off Jimmy because Kyle wanted more from his QB. I think Kyle likes Jimmy, but I think he understands that to win a SB he needed more.

Trey could end up being a complete bust… but idk how anyone could say at this point that Kyle didn't want more? Otherwise, why didn't he keep his picks and take Mac Jones if he was completely fine with Jimmy's traits?

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by WINiner:
There are more stud young QB's in the NFL right now than there's ever been. Hows that again? All these teams juuuust happened to get QB's who were perfectly molded for their systems coming out? Get the hell outta here with that nonsense.

I guess it depends on how you define stud. I will widen my definition to fit your argument.

Any system

Mahomes
Burrow
Herbert

Right system

Josh Allen
Lamar Jackson
Jalen Hurts
Tua
Kyler Murray

Who else do you consider studs? I personally stop at top 4.

You likely are going to post guys with stud potential. But are they really studs?

I don't see Josh Allen, Jalen Hurts, or Kyler Murray as system QB's and I think all 3 could fit in any system (though I don't consider Murray a stud) You missed Lawrence who may be more studly than any of those listed not named Mahomes and Lawrence can also play in any system. I think Jackson could potentially play in several systems and is not relegated to one as your post seems to indicate. I think a lot of people underestimate his passing ability. Watson, though I don't root for, showed some potential to return to his previous form and who could also play in any system imo.

The point is most of these young players don't play in systems that match the college programs they were so successful with and got drafted playing for.