Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

I've been critical of Trey but when I say it, I don't mean it in a way of "he will never be good". There are things that Trey does well and he has a lot of talent - just like there are things he doesn't do well yet and hopefully improves on it this off season.

i personally don't think he has superstar potential, but that doesn't mean I'm not wrong - hell I'd be very happy to be wrong about that. I also don't think he's trash or a bad qb.

if Purdy goes on a deep playoff run and keeps playing even remotely as well as he has, I'd be shocked if Kyle "gave" the job back to Lance. I also think he will have a chance to compete for the job regardless, just because that's how Kyle is - he wants everyone always competing.

i don't want Trey traded away. The only way I see someone trading for him is if they want to take a flyer on him with two seasons left on his contract, but it would have to be a ridiculous offer. I'd prefer to keep him and let them compete for it but I'd say Purdy has the edge right now.

Originally posted by SinceXVI:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by SinceXVI:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SinceXVI:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SinceXVI:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SinceXVI:
The argument that the HOU win doesn't count because of their record is lazy.

It's the same team that beat Justin Herbert the week before, contributing to the Chargers falling a game short of making the playoffs, the same position the Niners were in up to that point at 8-7.

That was a high pressure game for a rookie. Shanahan should have stuck w/ Trey after that game as Jimmy was never going to win #6 whether injured or healthy.

We will forever be hearing about how HOU.. a combined 7-26-1 with 2 fired coaches in 2 years.. beat Herbert the week before..

look I don't have a narrative.. just the fax sir or madam.. HOU sucks.. that's all there is to it

sure it counts, it counts as what is it, beating HOU is what it is.. I don't put it on the level of beating playoff teams / teams bound for the postseason or hype it as a tough team

Agree. Trey fanboy are trying so hard...LMAO.

With players that left as free agents to contenders. See Justin Reid.

You made a poor argument. That's an NFL team, better players than Trey faced in college.

There is no discounting stats because of your opponent's record. That's a straw man argument made up by Lance critics.

When Joe Montana put up 476 yards 6 tds against an Atlanta Falcons team that finished 5-11, no one dismissed it because of their record.

We really comparing Montana to Trey now?

No, it's an example of how an impressive statistical accomplishment wasn't discounted because of the quality of the opponent.

Lol.. throwing 476 and 6 is an accomplishment I don't care who you play.. beating the Texans isn't in the same ballpark

Look credit where it is due I think the HOU win was cool it was the first win in a young man's career; that's a big deal, but let's not blow smoke here

In one example the weakness of the opponent didn't matter but in the other example it does.

That's inconsistent logic.

The only difference is that one player is the GOAT QB in his prime while the other is a rookie playing in an elimination game.

In both cases, they are impressive performances in themselves.

It was consistent logic. Both were discounted, but Montana still have an excellent day no matter how you discount it. Trey not so much.

You are trying way too hard.

When you resort to name calling it means you've lost the argument/debate.

No idea what you meant name calling.

When you have to try to declare someone lost the argument, then you have lost.

Originally posted by VinculumJuris:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Eh, in terms of running the ball, he needs work on this. The guy is not the best at seeing and then reacting to what the defense is doing to stop him when he runs. As far as passing, his biggest weakness is still accuracy, but he's still not where he needs to be in terms of speed of recognizing where to go with the ball. He's not bad at it, but he's a tick late still. More experience would improve this.

But if Brock keeps playing this well and we win the trophy, he's not going to get that opportunity unless Brock gets hurt next year.

You're correct but the issue is hesitancy with what he's seeing, not recognition of what he's seeing. As you said more playing time will speed things up for him. He's also shown that even when he hesitates to take the drawn up sure thing more times than not he still makes the play and sometimes for a bigger gain.

Interesting--how do you differentiate between hesitation and recognition? Genuine question.

I don't really. I mean technically they're not the same thing but they're both part of the process of reading and reacting. Trey's issues, I think, since college, lie on the second one more than the first in terms of passing. But I think in rushing it's the first, because holes are so much smaller and guys are so much faster in the NFL.

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
yeah makes it seem like Kyle dossnt know what he is doing and the rest of the team sucked in Chicago. But fails to mention the wide open TD to Kraft that was missed and probably changed the rest of the game. A lot of blame going around to everyone except Lance.

Was a bad miss. But was also par for.the course for 9ers QBs until Purdy came around.

Yeah bad miss that he failed to mention while throwing the rest of the team and coach under the buss. That missed TD might have changed the whole game. Fields capitalized on his that day. Ended up being the difference.

It was no more the difference than Deebo's fumble.

Originally posted by Young2Owens:
why on earth is this the most active thread right now?

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Furlow:
Most of us agree anyway.

Most of us agree Trey deserves another chance too.

Most > Some

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by genus49:
We'll see what happens. If Brock plays well enough to win the job then great. But you're wrong in your reasoning.

Trey didn't fail the team with his play, the team failed him. Whether that matters is another story, it's a tough business.

when having context, goes wrong

It's not that complex.

The team drafted Trey knowing he needed reps to improve. They then sat him as a rookie only playing him when forced by injury and when they played him it was mostly using him as a near fullback.

I mentioned before when you look at Trey's runs vs Seattle when he came in mid game vs his runs when he was a starter they were a lot worse.

On top of it the whole thing this year with Lance starting was "we don't need Trey to do too much the run game, defense and all our talent at WR/TE would help him out"

His one start this year aka his big chance to prove himself Kittle is out. Mitchell gets hurt early. Deebo fumbles in the red zone. Defense commits stupid penalties in key moments and screw up coverage allowing Fields to throw for his 3 good throws and two of them for TDs.

So yes the team failed him. They knew what they were getting and the support system which was supposed to lift him up didn't live up to the billing.

You made it sound like the Niners are a dysfunctional organization. We are actually the opposite of that. Trey just couldn't get it done and got hurt.

yeah makes it seem like Kyle dossnt know what he is doing and the rest of the team sucked in Chicago. But fails to mention the wide open TD to Kraft that was missed and probably changed the rest of the game. A lot of blame going around to everyone except Lance.

If you goto the youtube vid linked to the tweet, you'll see a great angle of the missed pass to Kraft. You'll see that Kyle Juszczyk missed a block resulting in Lance rushing the throw.

Juice chipped the pass rusher and continued on his route when he clearly should have squared up on him.

The play is at the 7:00 minute mark.

However, that's the vid's and my interpretation, you can decide for yourself.

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by SinceXVI:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by SinceXVI:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SinceXVI:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SinceXVI:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SinceXVI:
The argument that the HOU win doesn't count because of their record is lazy.

It's the same team that beat Justin Herbert the week before, contributing to the Chargers falling a game short of making the playoffs, the same position the Niners were in up to that point at 8-7.

That was a high pressure game for a rookie. Shanahan should have stuck w/ Trey after that game as Jimmy was never going to win #6 whether injured or healthy.

We will forever be hearing about how HOU.. a combined 7-26-1 with 2 fired coaches in 2 years.. beat Herbert the week before..

look I don't have a narrative.. just the fax sir or madam.. HOU sucks.. that's all there is to it

sure it counts, it counts as what is it, beating HOU is what it is.. I don't put it on the level of beating playoff teams / teams bound for the postseason or hype it as a tough team

Agree. Trey fanboy are trying so hard...LMAO.

With players that left as free agents to contenders. See Justin Reid.

You made a poor argument. That's an NFL team, better players than Trey faced in college.

There is no discounting stats because of your opponent's record. That's a straw man argument made up by Lance critics.

When Joe Montana put up 476 yards 6 tds against an Atlanta Falcons team that finished 5-11, no one dismissed it because of their record.

We really comparing Montana to Trey now?

No, it's an example of how an impressive statistical accomplishment wasn't discounted because of the quality of the opponent.

Lol.. throwing 476 and 6 is an accomplishment I don't care who you play.. beating the Texans isn't in the same ballpark

Look credit where it is due I think the HOU win was cool it was the first win in a young man's career; that's a big deal, but let's not blow smoke here

In one example the weakness of the opponent didn't matter but in the other example it does.

That's inconsistent logic.

The only difference is that one player is the GOAT QB in his prime while the other is a rookie playing in an elimination game.

In both cases, they are impressive performances in themselves.

It was consistent logic. Both were discounted, but Montana still have an excellent day no matter how you discount it. Trey not so much.

You are trying way too hard.

It wasn't.

No one ever mentions the Falcons' record when talking about Joe's amazing day, because it was irrelevant, just as the Texans' record was irrelevant when Trey helped save the Niners season.

I don't expect you to concede. Feel free to continue to downplay not only a talented player's accomplishment, but the team's win.

It was irrelevant because Montana's stay on that day was so ridiculously good.

I do feel sorry for Trey's fanboy to have to try so hard.

You called me a Trey fanboy.

I responded to the wrong post. Let's keep this civil and factual.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Furlow:
Most of us agree anyway.

Most of us agree Trey deserves another chance too.

Absolutely. But in SF, over Purdy? Not right now and very likely not next season either. Especially with Trey having another surgery and missing off season work.

Originally posted by Furlow:
Absolutely. But in SF, over Purdy? Not right now and very likely not next season either. Especially with Trey having another surgery and missing off season work.

Chance to compete yes.

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Yeah bad miss that he failed to mention while throwing the rest of the team and coach under the buss. That missed TD might have changed the whole game. Fields capitalized on his that day. Ended up being the difference.

Can't win all the rainy day games 9-0

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Young2Owens:
why on earth is this the most active thread right now?

Aside from that, Mrs. Lincoln, how'd you like the play?

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Furlow:
Most of us agree anyway.

Most of us agree Trey deserves another chance too.

Absolutely. But in SF, over Purdy? Not right now and very likely not next season either. Especially with Trey having another surgery and missing off season work.

He will likely get his chance on another team after the end of next season if Purdy stays healthy.

Originally posted by Goatie:
He will likely get his chance on another team after the end of next season if Purdy stays healthy.

Trey is gonna be here another couple years minimum. He's gonna be allowed to develop so we can see what he invested so much capital into. The team is happy with him aside from the injury. It makes no sense he's gone so soon when he's done nothing to deserve that

Originally posted by Pillbusta:

Originally posted by Goatie:
He will likely get his chance on another team after the end of next season if Purdy stays healthy.

Trey is gonna be here another couple years minimum. He's gonna be allowed to develop so we can see what he invested so much capital into. The team is happy with him aside from the injury. It makes no sense he's gone so soon when he's done nothing to deserve that

It is more about what he hasn't done. He hasn't done what Purdy has done. Team has found their FQB and after the end of next season Trey will be expecting more money then FO will be willing to give now Purdy is the man.