Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
And it was wrong, as has been proven to you MULTIPLE TIMES. He does NOT move like a fullback. He's far more agile than a fullback. He's just also big, and as such is USED like a fullback on QB power plays.

Do I need to once again prove you wrong about this by posting images of Trey cutting like a running back rather than a fullback? Will you even acknowledge it? You have yet to, if I recall correctly.

Don't bother. This dude keeps ignoring simple facts when they don't fit his narrative of Trey sucking.

I've asked these guys to go back and look at those games and point out specific plays when Trey either shows he can't read the field, makes a bad read or makes inaccurate throws with a clean pocket.

Far as I know none of them have done that and keep referencing things like completion %.

Eh, in terms of running the ball, he needs work on this. The guy is not the best at seeing and then reacting to what the defense is doing to stop him when he runs. As far as passing, his biggest weakness is still accuracy, but he's still not where he needs to be in terms of speed of recognizing where to go with the ball. He's not bad at it, but he's a tick late still. More experience would improve this.

But if Brock keeps playing this well and we win the trophy, he's not going to get that opportunity unless Brock gets hurt next year.

Originally posted by SinceXVI:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by SinceXVI:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SinceXVI:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SinceXVI:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SinceXVI:
The argument that the HOU win doesn't count because of their record is lazy.

It's the same team that beat Justin Herbert the week before, contributing to the Chargers falling a game short of making the playoffs, the same position the Niners were in up to that point at 8-7.

That was a high pressure game for a rookie. Shanahan should have stuck w/ Trey after that game as Jimmy was never going to win #6 whether injured or healthy.

We will forever be hearing about how HOU.. a combined 7-26-1 with 2 fired coaches in 2 years.. beat Herbert the week before..

look I don't have a narrative.. just the fax sir or madam.. HOU sucks.. that's all there is to it

sure it counts, it counts as what is it, beating HOU is what it is.. I don't put it on the level of beating playoff teams / teams bound for the postseason or hype it as a tough team

Agree. Trey fanboy are trying so hard...LMAO.

With players that left as free agents to contenders. See Justin Reid.

You made a poor argument. That's an NFL team, better players than Trey faced in college.

There is no discounting stats because of your opponent's record. That's a straw man argument made up by Lance critics.

When Joe Montana put up 476 yards 6 tds against an Atlanta Falcons team that finished 5-11, no one dismissed it because of their record.

We really comparing Montana to Trey now?

No, it's an example of how an impressive statistical accomplishment wasn't discounted because of the quality of the opponent.

Lol.. throwing 476 and 6 is an accomplishment I don't care who you play.. beating the Texans isn't in the same ballpark

Look credit where it is due I think the HOU win was cool it was the first win in a young man's career; that's a big deal, but let's not blow smoke here

In one example the weakness of the opponent didn't matter but in the other example it does.

That's inconsistent logic.

The only difference is that one player is the GOAT QB in his prime while the other is a rookie playing in an elimination game.

In both cases, they are impressive performances in themselves.

It was consistent logic. Both were discounted, but Montana still have an excellent day no matter how you discount it. Trey not so much.

You are trying way too hard.

It wasn't.

No one ever mentions the Falcons' record when talking about Joe's amazing day, because it was irrelevant, just as the Texans' record was irrelevant when Trey helped save the Niners season.

I don't expect you to concede. Feel free to continue to downplay not only a talented player's accomplishment, but the team's win.

It's such a sad attempt to discredit the kid. As bad as Houston was they've had moments of great play on defense, including just a week prior.

Are we going to claim Josh Allen or Justin Herbert are bad QBs? If Houston was so bad then surely two elite QBs should've torched them right?

Not sure why it's so hard for these guys to acknowledge the good Trey did. Last I checked he's still a 49er. It's like they're getting a prize if he fails and they called it early or something.

Originally posted by Young2Owens:
why on earth is this the most active thread right now?

My guess is because it seems to have disappeared earlier in the day.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Eh, in terms of running the ball, he needs work on this. The guy is not the best at seeing and then reacting to what the defense is doing to stop him when he runs. As far as passing, his biggest weakness is still accuracy, but he's still not where he needs to be in terms of speed of recognizing where to go with the ball. He's not bad at it, but he's a tick late still. More experience would improve this.

But if Brock keeps playing this well and we win the trophy, he's not going to get that opportunity unless Brock gets hurt next year.

You're correct but the issue is hesitancy with what he's seeing, not recognition of what he's seeing. As you said more playing time will speed things up for him. He's also shown that even when he hesitates to take the drawn up sure thing more times than not he still makes the play and sometimes for a bigger gain.

Originally posted by SinceXVI:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by SinceXVI:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SinceXVI:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SinceXVI:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SinceXVI:
The argument that the HOU win doesn't count because of their record is lazy.

It's the same team that beat Justin Herbert the week before, contributing to the Chargers falling a game short of making the playoffs, the same position the Niners were in up to that point at 8-7.

That was a high pressure game for a rookie. Shanahan should have stuck w/ Trey after that game as Jimmy was never going to win #6 whether injured or healthy.

We will forever be hearing about how HOU.. a combined 7-26-1 with 2 fired coaches in 2 years.. beat Herbert the week before..

look I don't have a narrative.. just the fax sir or madam.. HOU sucks.. that's all there is to it

sure it counts, it counts as what is it, beating HOU is what it is.. I don't put it on the level of beating playoff teams / teams bound for the postseason or hype it as a tough team

Agree. Trey fanboy are trying so hard...LMAO.

With players that left as free agents to contenders. See Justin Reid.

You made a poor argument. That's an NFL team, better players than Trey faced in college.

There is no discounting stats because of your opponent's record. That's a straw man argument made up by Lance critics.

When Joe Montana put up 476 yards 6 tds against an Atlanta Falcons team that finished 5-11, no one dismissed it because of their record.

We really comparing Montana to Trey now?

No, it's an example of how an impressive statistical accomplishment wasn't discounted because of the quality of the opponent.

Lol.. throwing 476 and 6 is an accomplishment I don't care who you play.. beating the Texans isn't in the same ballpark

Look credit where it is due I think the HOU win was cool it was the first win in a young man's career; that's a big deal, but let's not blow smoke here

In one example the weakness of the opponent didn't matter but in the other example it does.

That's inconsistent logic.

The only difference is that one player is the GOAT QB in his prime while the other is a rookie playing in an elimination game.

In both cases, they are impressive performances in themselves.

It was consistent logic. Both were discounted, but Montana still have an excellent day no matter how you discount it. Trey not so much.

You are trying way too hard.

It wasn't.

No one ever mentions the Falcons' record when talking about Joe's amazing day, because it was irrelevant, just as the Texans' record was irrelevant when Trey helped save the Niners season.

I don't expect you to concede. Feel free to continue to downplay not only a talented player's accomplishment, but the team's win.

It was irrelevant because Montana's stay on that day was so ridiculously good.

I do feel sorry for Trey's fanboy to have to try so hard.

Originally posted by Young2Owens:
why on earth is this the most active thread right now?

Because we all agree Purdy is amazing and like a spirited debate.

Originally posted by SinceXVI:

Originally posted by Young2Owens:
why on earth is this the most active thread right now?

Because we all agree Purdy is amazing and like a spirited debate.

Amen to that brother

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by SinceXVI:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SinceXVI:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SinceXVI:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SinceXVI:
The argument that the HOU win doesn't count because of their record is lazy.

It's the same team that beat Justin Herbert the week before, contributing to the Chargers falling a game short of making the playoffs, the same position the Niners were in up to that point at 8-7.

That was a high pressure game for a rookie. Shanahan should have stuck w/ Trey after that game as Jimmy was never going to win #6 whether injured or healthy.

We will forever be hearing about how HOU.. a combined 7-26-1 with 2 fired coaches in 2 years.. beat Herbert the week before..

look I don't have a narrative.. just the fax sir or madam.. HOU sucks.. that's all there is to it

sure it counts, it counts as what is it, beating HOU is what it is.. I don't put it on the level of beating playoff teams / teams bound for the postseason or hype it as a tough team

Agree. Trey fanboy are trying so hard...LMAO.

With players that left as free agents to contenders. See Justin Reid.

You made a poor argument. That's an NFL team, better players than Trey faced in college.

There is no discounting stats because of your opponent's record. That's a straw man argument made up by Lance critics.

When Joe Montana put up 476 yards 6 tds against an Atlanta Falcons team that finished 5-11, no one dismissed it because of their record.

We really comparing Montana to Trey now?

No, it's an example of how an impressive statistical accomplishment wasn't discounted because of the quality of the opponent.

Lol.. throwing 476 and 6 is an accomplishment I don't care who you play.. beating the Texans isn't in the same ballpark

Look credit where it is due I think the HOU win was cool it was the first win in a young man's career; that's a big deal, but let's not blow smoke here

In one example the weakness of the opponent didn't matter but in the other example it does.

That's inconsistent logic.

The only difference is that one player is the GOAT QB in his prime while the other is a rookie playing in an elimination game.

In both cases, they are impressive performances in themselves.

It was consistent logic. Both were discounted, but Montana still have an excellent day no matter how you discount it. Trey not so much.

You are trying way too hard.

When you resort to name calling it means you've lost the argument/debate.

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by genus49:
We'll see what happens. If Brock plays well enough to win the job then great. But you're wrong in your reasoning.

Trey didn't fail the team with his play, the team failed him. Whether that matters is another story, it's a tough business.

when having context, goes wrong

It's not that complex.

The team drafted Trey knowing he needed reps to improve. They then sat him as a rookie only playing him when forced by injury and when they played him it was mostly using him as a near fullback.

I mentioned before when you look at Trey's runs vs Seattle when he came in mid game vs his runs when he was a starter they were a lot worse.

On top of it the whole thing this year with Lance starting was "we don't need Trey to do too much the run game, defense and all our talent at WR/TE would help him out"

His one start this year aka his big chance to prove himself Kittle is out. Mitchell gets hurt early. Deebo fumbles in the red zone. Defense commits stupid penalties in key moments and screw up coverage allowing Fields to throw for his 3 good throws and two of them for TDs.

So yes the team failed him. They knew what they were getting and the support system which was supposed to lift him up didn't live up to the billing.

You made it sound like the Niners are a dysfunctional organization. We are actually the opposite of that. Trey just couldn't get it done and got hurt.

yeah makes it seem like Kyle dossnt know what he is doing and the rest of the team sucked in Chicago. But fails to mention the wide open TD to Kraft that was missed and probably changed the rest of the game. A lot of blame going around to everyone except Lance.

Originally posted by SinceXVI:

Originally posted by Young2Owens:
why on earth is this the most active thread right now?

Because we all agree Purdy is amazing and like a spirited debate.

Most of us agree anyway.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
Who wanted that?

The guy I quoted

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Eh, in terms of running the ball, he needs work on this. The guy is not the best at seeing and then reacting to what the defense is doing to stop him when he runs. As far as passing, his biggest weakness is still accuracy, but he's still not where he needs to be in terms of speed of recognizing where to go with the ball. He's not bad at it, but he's a tick late still. More experience would improve this.

But if Brock keeps playing this well and we win the trophy, he's not going to get that opportunity unless Brock gets hurt next year.

You're correct but the issue is hesitancy with what he's seeing, not recognition of what he's seeing. As you said more playing time will speed things up for him. He's also shown that even when he hesitates to take the drawn up sure thing more times than not he still makes the play and sometimes for a bigger gain.

Interesting--how do you differentiate between hesitation and recognition? Genuine question.

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
yeah makes it seem like Kyle dossnt know what he is doing and the rest of the team sucked in Chicago. But fails to mention the wide open TD to Kraft that was missed and probably changed the rest of the game. A lot of blame going around to everyone except Lance.

Was a bad miss. But was also par for.the course for 9ers QBs until Purdy came around.

Originally posted by Furlow:
Most of us agree anyway.

Most of us agree Trey deserves another chance too.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
yeah makes it seem like Kyle dossnt know what he is doing and the rest of the team sucked in Chicago. But fails to mention the wide open TD to Kraft that was missed and probably changed the rest of the game. A lot of blame going around to everyone except Lance.

Was a bad miss. But was also par for.the course for 9ers QBs until Purdy came around.

Yeah bad miss that he failed to mention while throwing the rest of the team and coach under the buss. That missed TD might have changed the whole game. Fields capitalized on his that day. Ended up being the difference.