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Originally posted by SinceXVI:
In one example the weakness of the opponent didn't matter but in the other context it does.
That's inconsistent logic.
The only difference is that one player is the GOAT QB in his prime while the other is a rookie playing in an elimination game.
In both cases, they are impressive performances in themselves.
Originally posted by SinceXVI:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by SinceXVI:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by SinceXVI:
Originally posted by libertyforever:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by SinceXVI:
The argument that the HOU win doesn't count because of their record is lazy.
It's the same team that beat Justin Herbert the week before, contributing to the Chargers falling a game short of making the playoffs, the same position the Niners were in up to that point at 8-7.
That was a high pressure game for a rookie. Shanahan should have stuck w/ Trey after that game as Jimmy was never going to win #6 whether injured or healthy.
We will forever be hearing about how HOU.. a combined 7-26-1 with 2 fired coaches in 2 years.. beat Herbert the week before..
look I don't have a narrative.. just the fax sir or madam.. HOU sucks.. that's all there is to it
sure it counts, it counts as what is it, beating HOU is what it is.. I don't put it on the level of beating playoff teams / teams bound for the postseason or hype it as a tough team
Agree. Trey fanboy are trying so hard...LMAO.
With players that left as free agents to contenders. See Justin Reid.
You made a poor argument. That's an NFL team, better players than Trey faced in college.
There is no discounting stats because of your opponent's record. That's a straw man argument made up by Lance critics.
When Joe Montana put up 476 yards 6 tds against an Atlanta Falcons team that finished 5-11, no one dismissed it because of their record.
We really comparing Montana to Trey now?
No, it's an example of how an impressive statistical accomplishment wasn't discounted because of the quality of the opponent.
Lol.. throwing 476 and 6 is an accomplishment I don't care who you play.. beating the Texans isn't in the same ballpark
Look credit where it is due I think the HOU win was cool it was the first win in a young man's career; that's a big deal, but let's not blow smoke here
In one example the weakness of the opponent didn't matter but in the other example it does.
That's inconsistent logic.
The only difference is that one player is the GOAT QB in his prime while the other is a rookie playing in an elimination game.
In both cases, they are impressive performances in themselves.
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Originally posted by genus49:
We'll see what happens. If Brock plays well enough to win the job then great. But you're wrong in your reasoning.
Trey didn't fail the team with his play, the team failed him. Whether that matters is another story, it's a tough business.
when having context, goes wrong
It's not that complex.
The team drafted Trey knowing he needed reps to improve. They then sat him as a rookie only playing him when forced by injury and when they played him it was mostly using him as a near fullback.
I mentioned before when you look at Trey's runs vs Seattle when he came in mid game vs his runs when he was a starter they were a lot worse.
On top of it the whole thing this year with Lance starting was "we don't need Trey to do too much the run game, defense and all our talent at WR/TE would help him out"
His one start this year aka his big chance to prove himself Kittle is out. Mitchell gets hurt early. Deebo fumbles in the red zone. Defense commits stupid penalties in key moments and screw up coverage allowing Fields to throw for his 3 good throws and two of them for TDs.
So yes the team failed him. They knew what they were getting and the support system which was supposed to lift him up didn't live up to the billing.
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Fair enough. And I understand the circumstances with one QBs start and another will never be 100% the same. NFL to me is a results business, I am not gonna make a bunch of excuses for this player or that. You either get the result or you don't. BP has had many context reasons why he should fail. Mr Irrelevant in his first career start should not be beating Tom Brady. He overcome. That's all you can ask. Yet to see TL really produce or click on the field but he's got more years with us.
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Originally posted by genus49:
We'll see what happens. If Brock plays well enough to win the job then great. But you're wrong in your reasoning.
Trey didn't fail the team with his play, the team failed him. Whether that matters is another story, it's a tough business.
when having context, goes wrong
It's not that complex.
The team drafted Trey knowing he needed reps to improve. They then sat him as a rookie only playing him when forced by injury and when they played him it was mostly using him as a near fullback.
I mentioned before when you look at Trey's runs vs Seattle when he came in mid game vs his runs when he was a starter they were a lot worse.
On top of it the whole thing this year with Lance starting was "we don't need Trey to do too much the run game, defense and all our talent at WR/TE would help him out"
His one start this year aka his big chance to prove himself Kittle is out. Mitchell gets hurt early. Deebo fumbles in the red zone. Defense commits stupid penalties in key moments and screw up coverage allowing Fields to throw for his 3 good throws and two of them for TDs.
So yes the team failed him. They knew what they were getting and the support system which was supposed to lift him up didn't live up to the billing.
People get the fullback line wrong. He wasn't used like a fullback. He moves around like one. That was the quote from the guy who has a ring.
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Originally posted by genus49:
We'll see what happens. If Brock plays well enough to win the job then great. But you're wrong in your reasoning.
Trey didn't fail the team with his play, the team failed him. Whether that matters is another story, it's a tough business.
when having context, goes wrong
It's not that complex.
The team drafted Trey knowing he needed reps to improve. They then sat him as a rookie only playing him when forced by injury and when they played him it was mostly using him as a near fullback.
I mentioned before when you look at Trey's runs vs Seattle when he came in mid game vs his runs when he was a starter they were a lot worse.
On top of it the whole thing this year with Lance starting was "we don't need Trey to do too much the run game, defense and all our talent at WR/TE would help him out"
His one start this year aka his big chance to prove himself Kittle is out. Mitchell gets hurt early. Deebo fumbles in the red zone. Defense commits stupid penalties in key moments and screw up coverage allowing Fields to throw for his 3 good throws and two of them for TDs.
So yes the team failed him. They knew what they were getting and the support system which was supposed to lift him up didn't live up to the billing.
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Originally posted by genus49:
We'll see what happens. If Brock plays well enough to win the job then great. But you're wrong in your reasoning.
Trey didn't fail the team with his play, the team failed him. Whether that matters is another story, it's a tough business.
when having context, goes wrong
It's not that complex.
The team drafted Trey knowing he needed reps to improve. They then sat him as a rookie only playing him when forced by injury and when they played him it was mostly using him as a near fullback.
I mentioned before when you look at Trey's runs vs Seattle when he came in mid game vs his runs when he was a starter they were a lot worse.
On top of it the whole thing this year with Lance starting was "we don't need Trey to do too much the run game, defense and all our talent at WR/TE would help him out"
His one start this year aka his big chance to prove himself Kittle is out. Mitchell gets hurt early. Deebo fumbles in the red zone. Defense commits stupid penalties in key moments and screw up coverage allowing Fields to throw for his 3 good throws and two of them for TDs.
So yes the team failed him. They knew what they were getting and the support system which was supposed to lift him up didn't live up to the billing.
People get the fullback line wrong. He wasn't used like a fullback. He moves around like one. That was the quote from the guy who has a ring.
Go back and watch his runs during the Seattle game as a rookie and tell me he moves like a fullback.
To me he looked hesitant on the designed runs because he wants to run the play as designed and not yet used to NFL speed. When he ran out of pass plays on QB scrambles he was a lot more instinctive, faster and more agile. Another reason why Kyle should've eased up on the designed runs.
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Originally posted by genus49:
We'll see what happens. If Brock plays well enough to win the job then great. But you're wrong in your reasoning.
Trey didn't fail the team with his play, the team failed him. Whether that matters is another story, it's a tough business.
when having context, goes wrong
It's not that complex.
The team drafted Trey knowing he needed reps to improve. They then sat him as a rookie only playing him when forced by injury and when they played him it was mostly using him as a near fullback.
I mentioned before when you look at Trey's runs vs Seattle when he came in mid game vs his runs when he was a starter they were a lot worse.
On top of it the whole thing this year with Lance starting was "we don't need Trey to do too much the run game, defense and all our talent at WR/TE would help him out"
His one start this year aka his big chance to prove himself Kittle is out. Mitchell gets hurt early. Deebo fumbles in the red zone. Defense commits stupid penalties in key moments and screw up coverage allowing Fields to throw for his 3 good throws and two of them for TDs.
So yes the team failed him. They knew what they were getting and the support system which was supposed to lift him up didn't live up to the billing.
People get the fullback line wrong. He wasn't used like a fullback. He moves around like one. That was the quote from the guy who has a ring.
Go back and watch his runs during the Seattle game as a rookie and tell me he moves like a fullback.
To me he looked hesitant on the designed runs because he wants to run the play as designed and not yet used to NFL speed. When he ran out of pass plays on QB scrambles he was a lot more instinctive, faster and more agile. Another reason why Kyle should've eased up on the designed runs.
Originally posted by genus49:He definitely looks hesitant on the designed runs as opposed to when he scrambles
Go back and watch his runs during the Seattle game as a rookie and tell me he moves like a fullback.
To me he looked hesitant on the designed runs because he wants to run the play as designed and not yet used to NFL speed. When he ran out of pass plays on QB scrambles he was a lot more instinctive, faster and more agile. Another reason why Kyle should've eased up on the designed runs.
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
We will forever be hearing about how HOU.. a combined 7-26-1 with 2 fired coaches in 2 years.. beat Herbert the week before..
look I don't have a narrative.. just the fax sir or madam.. HOU sucks.. that's all there is to it
sure it counts, it counts as what is it, beating HOU is what it is.. I don't put it on the level of beating playoff teams / teams bound for the postseason or hype it as a tough team
Originally posted by boast:
there are a couple of posters in here that like to play the race card. it's a low IQ comeback.
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Originally posted by genus49:
We'll see what happens. If Brock plays well enough to win the job then great. But you're wrong in your reasoning.
Trey didn't fail the team with his play, the team failed him. Whether that matters is another story, it's a tough business.
when having context, goes wrong
It's not that complex.
The team drafted Trey knowing he needed reps to improve. They then sat him as a rookie only playing him when forced by injury and when they played him it was mostly using him as a near fullback.
I mentioned before when you look at Trey's runs vs Seattle when he came in mid game vs his runs when he was a starter they were a lot worse.
On top of it the whole thing this year with Lance starting was "we don't need Trey to do too much the run game, defense and all our talent at WR/TE would help him out"
His one start this year aka his big chance to prove himself Kittle is out. Mitchell gets hurt early. Deebo fumbles in the red zone. Defense commits stupid penalties in key moments and screw up coverage allowing Fields to throw for his 3 good throws and two of them for TDs.
So yes the team failed him. They knew what they were getting and the support system which was supposed to lift him up didn't live up to the billing.
People get the fullback line wrong. He wasn't used like a fullback. He moves around like one. That was the quote from the guy who has a ring.
Originally posted by libertyforever:
Originally posted by SinceXVI:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by SinceXVI:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by SinceXVI:
Originally posted by libertyforever:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by SinceXVI:
The argument that the HOU win doesn't count because of their record is lazy.
It's the same team that beat Justin Herbert the week before, contributing to the Chargers falling a game short of making the playoffs, the same position the Niners were in up to that point at 8-7.
That was a high pressure game for a rookie. Shanahan should have stuck w/ Trey after that game as Jimmy was never going to win #6 whether injured or healthy.
We will forever be hearing about how HOU.. a combined 7-26-1 with 2 fired coaches in 2 years.. beat Herbert the week before..
look I don't have a narrative.. just the fax sir or madam.. HOU sucks.. that's all there is to it
sure it counts, it counts as what is it, beating HOU is what it is.. I don't put it on the level of beating playoff teams / teams bound for the postseason or hype it as a tough team
Agree. Trey fanboy are trying so hard...LMAO.
With players that left as free agents to contenders. See Justin Reid.
You made a poor argument. That's an NFL team, better players than Trey faced in college.
There is no discounting stats because of your opponent's record. That's a straw man argument made up by Lance critics.
When Joe Montana put up 476 yards 6 tds against an Atlanta Falcons team that finished 5-11, no one dismissed it because of their record.
We really comparing Montana to Trey now?
No, it's an example of how an impressive statistical accomplishment wasn't discounted because of the quality of the opponent.
Lol.. throwing 476 and 6 is an accomplishment I don't care who you play.. beating the Texans isn't in the same ballpark
Look credit where it is due I think the HOU win was cool it was the first win in a young man's career; that's a big deal, but let's not blow smoke here
In one example the weakness of the opponent didn't matter but in the other example it does.
That's inconsistent logic.
The only difference is that one player is the GOAT QB in his prime while the other is a rookie playing in an elimination game.
In both cases, they are impressive performances in themselves.
It was consistent logic. Both were discounted, but Montana still have an excellent day no matter how you discount it. Trey not so much.
You are trying way too hard.
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
And it was wrong, as has been proven to you MULTIPLE TIMES. He does NOT move like a fullback. He's far more agile than a fullback. He's just also big, and as such is USED like a fullback on QB power plays.
Do I need to once again prove you wrong about this by posting images of Trey cutting like a running back rather than a fullback? Will you even acknowledge it? You have yet to, if I recall correctly.
