Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by genus49:
So you just want to throw out context cuz it doesn't feed your narrative lol?

Look at our offense once CMC finally settled in, not just Brock. Check Jimmy too.

Brock was an unknown before CMC so we don't have a comparison on him with him starting without vs with CMC out there.

Jimmy's play went to another level with him out there. So it's a crazy stretch to think Lance looks better with him out there?

And Houston sucked sure. Which is why just the week prior they beat Justin Herbert who put up worse numbers than Trey or they suck so much that they held Josh Allen to eerily similar stat sheet to Trey. But Houston sucked so we're just going to dismiss that?

You can ignore context all you want. This isn't a knock on Brock. Just keep proper energy when evaluating Lance.

Thinking that not having George Kittle or Christian McCaffrey playing out there with Lance wouldn't bring up his performance is definitely a nice way to stick your head in the sand.

Lastly I made no statement that Lance is better than Brock. I gave context to why Brock has looked better and more comfortable than Trey.

Totally agree with this. I have stated this over and over again, that I have zero idea how good Trey Lance will be. But what I refuse to do is judge him based on 4+ quarters of football, in the rain, without Christian Mccaffrey and George Kittle, and with a lot of our offensive line making their first starts on the team.

Yeah Purdy looks better than Trey looked in those circumstances. And I hope Purdy wins us the Superbowl and Lance never has to make a start with us because Purdy becomes our franchise guy. But there are a plethora of reasons why Lance didnt look as good against the Bears as Purdy has the last month plus, and its possible that talent is NOT one of them. No one knows for sure.

Originally posted by Goatie:
Yet despite JG's history he never got benched for Trey during the playoffs last year despite having a shoulder and a thumb injury. Trey got the starter position this year ahead of JG because of his draft status and the hope he would develop in few games to be good enough to be a winner. That was on perceived potential and not on actual potential. JG on the field has always performed better than Trey and has a higher winning percentage, higher completion percentage, higher efficiency, higher passer rating. If Trey did not get injured I would think he would have been benched after 4 straight losses.

This is a silly thing to say. Unless of course you were at minicamps, training camp, practices and have intricate knowledge of Kyle and our offensive coaches thoughts and opinions.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Goatie:
Yet despite JG's history he never got benched for Trey during the playoffs last year despite having a shoulder and a thumb injury. Trey got the starter position this year ahead of JG because of his draft status and the hope he would develop in few games to be good enough to be a winner. That was on perceived potential and not on actual potential. JG on the field has always performed better than Trey and has a higher winning percentage, higher completion percentage, higher efficiency, higher passer rating. If Trey did not get injured I would think he would have been benched after 4 straight losses.

This is a silly thing to say. Unless of course you were at minicamps, training camp, practices and have intricate knowledge of Kyle and our offensive coaches thoughts and opinions.

I can say something weird is going on. As I think most would agree the on field performance this year goes BP > JG > TL yet the depth chart is the reverse. I think he is correct in the sense TL wasn't chosen as starter cuz he was more natural or experienced than BP or JG. He was chosen due to his draft status. It's why KS said going in that QB is gonna have to be 'learning on the fly'. He knew there would be some bumps in the road, so to speak.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Goatie:
Yet despite JG's history he never got benched for Trey during the playoffs last year despite having a shoulder and a thumb injury. Trey got the starter position this year ahead of JG because of his draft status and the hope he would develop in few games to be good enough to be a winner. That was on perceived potential and not on actual potential. JG on the field has always performed better than Trey and has a higher winning percentage, higher completion percentage, higher efficiency, higher passer rating. If Trey did not get injured I would think he would have been benched after 4 straight losses.

This is a silly thing to say. Unless of course you were at minicamps, training camp, practices and have intricate knowledge of Kyle and our offensive coaches thoughts and opinions.

I can say something weird is going on. As I think most would agree the on field performance this year goes BP > JG > TL yet the depth chart is the reverse. I think he is correct in the sense TL wasn't chosen as starter cuz he was more natural or experienced than BP or JG. He was chosen due to his draft status. It's why KS said going in that QB is gonna have to be 'learning on the fly'. He knew there would be some bumps in the road, so to speak.

I agree. Clearly BP > JG >>>>>>>>> TL

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SinceXVI:
The argument that the HOU win doesn't count because of their record is lazy.

It's the same team that beat Justin Herbert the week before, contributing to the Chargers falling a game short of making the playoffs, the same position the Niners were in up to that point at 8-7.

That was a high pressure game for a rookie. Shanahan should have stuck w/ Trey after that game as Jimmy was never going to win #6 whether injured or healthy.

We will forever be hearing about how HOU.. a combined 7-26-1 with 2 fired coaches in 2 years.. beat Herbert the week before..

look I don't have a narrative.. just the fax sir or madam.. HOU sucks.. that's all there is to it

sure it counts, it counts as what is it, beating HOU is what it is.. I don't put it on the level of beating playoff teams / teams bound for the postseason or hype it as a tough team

Agree. Trey fanboy are trying so hard...LMAO.

With players that left as free agents to contenders. See Justin Reid.

You made a poor argument. That's an NFL team, better players than Trey faced in college.

There is no discounting stats because of your opponent's record. That's a straw man argument made up by Lance critics.

When Joe Montana put up 476 yards 6 tds against an Atlanta Falcons team that finished 5-11, no one dismissed it because of their record.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Goatie:
Yet despite JG's history he never got benched for Trey during the playoffs last year despite having a shoulder and a thumb injury. Trey got the starter position this year ahead of JG because of his draft status and the hope he would develop in few games to be good enough to be a winner. That was on perceived potential and not on actual potential. JG on the field has always performed better than Trey and has a higher winning percentage, higher completion percentage, higher efficiency, higher passer rating. If Trey did not get injured I would think he would have been benched after 4 straight losses.

This is a silly thing to say. Unless of course you were at minicamps, training camp, practices and have intricate knowledge of Kyle and our offensive coaches thoughts and opinions.

I can say something weird is going on. As I think most would agree the on field performance this year goes BP > JG > TL yet the depth chart is the reverse. I think he is correct in the sense TL wasn't chosen as starter cuz he was more natural or experienced than BP or JG. He was chosen due to his draft status. It's why KS said going in that QB is gonna have to be 'learning on the fly'. He knew there would be some bumps in the road, so to speak.

He was chosen because the coaching staff believed his potential was higher than with the other two. I dont believe that is arguable either. Will he ever get to that point where he actually reaches his potential? No one has any idea. But Kyle believed it. He in essence risked his 49er career on it. Yeah, he knew there would be bumps in the road. But he also believed that IF Trey reached his potential, he could take this team to much higher heights than Jimmy could. Otherwise none of what actually went down would have happened.

I still believe the perceived potential and not actual potential is a really silly comment. I dont think you even have to be a Trey Lance fan to believe that he has actual potential to be really good. Its just about reaching the potential.

Originally posted by SinceXVI:
That's an NFL team, better players than Trey faced in college.

Doesn't mean much if anything.

Originally posted by SinceXVI:
There is no discounting stats because of your opponent's record. That's a straw man argument made up by Lance critics.

There is always discounting because of opponent's strength. You don't know what straw man argument is.

Originally posted by SinceXVI:

#49ers fifth series in the game Trey Lance 2 minute drive ends in a TD, 2 point conversion called back and missed XP. Do you like when I show the negative plays and positive plays or just positive only? #49ersPS21 @Channel__10 @treylance09 pic.twitter.com/9BjrrEzy44

— 49er_Edits (@49er_edits) August 28, 2021

It's a shame that Shanahan wasn't committed to developing Lance as a pocket passer who could scramble.

He has so much talent, I hope he gets a chance to develop under a more supportive HC, not to mention fanbase and media environment.

That dart to Sanu in the endzone 🔥 if Trey gets another chance to start I hope there aren't too many designed run plays for him. Feel like those plays should mostly be used in the red zone.

Originally posted by SinceXVI:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SinceXVI:
The argument that the HOU win doesn't count because of their record is lazy.

It's the same team that beat Justin Herbert the week before, contributing to the Chargers falling a game short of making the playoffs, the same position the Niners were in up to that point at 8-7.

That was a high pressure game for a rookie. Shanahan should have stuck w/ Trey after that game as Jimmy was never going to win #6 whether injured or healthy.

We will forever be hearing about how HOU.. a combined 7-26-1 with 2 fired coaches in 2 years.. beat Herbert the week before..

look I don't have a narrative.. just the fax sir or madam.. HOU sucks.. that's all there is to it

sure it counts, it counts as what is it, beating HOU is what it is.. I don't put it on the level of beating playoff teams / teams bound for the postseason or hype it as a tough team

Agree. Trey fanboy are trying so hard...LMAO.

With players that left as free agents to contenders. See Justin Reid.

You made a poor argument. That's an NFL team, better players than Trey faced in college.

There is no discounting stats because of your opponent's record. That's a straw man argument made up by Lance critics.

When Joe Montana put up 476 yards 6 tds against an Atlanta Falcons team that finished 5-11, no one dismissed it because of their record.

We really comparing Montana to Trey now?

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Goatie:
Yet despite JG's history he never got benched for Trey during the playoffs last year despite having a shoulder and a thumb injury. Trey got the starter position this year ahead of JG because of his draft status and the hope he would develop in few games to be good enough to be a winner. That was on perceived potential and not on actual potential. JG on the field has always performed better than Trey and has a higher winning percentage, higher completion percentage, higher efficiency, higher passer rating. If Trey did not get injured I would think he would have been benched after 4 straight losses.

This is a silly thing to say. Unless of course you were at minicamps, training camp, practices and have intricate knowledge of Kyle and our offensive coaches thoughts and opinions.

I can say something weird is going on. As I think most would agree the on field performance this year goes BP > JG > TL yet the depth chart is the reverse. I think he is correct in the sense TL wasn't chosen as starter cuz he was more natural or experienced than BP or JG. He was chosen due to his draft status. It's why KS said going in that QB is gonna have to be 'learning on the fly'. He knew there would be some bumps in the road, so to speak.

He was chosen because the coaching staff believed his potential was higher than with the other two. I dont believe that is arguable either. Will he ever get to that point where he actually reaches his potential? No one has any idea. But Kyle believed it. He in essence risked his 49er career on it. Yeah, he knew there would be bumps in the road. But he also believed that IF Trey reached his potential, he could take this team to much higher heights than Jimmy could. Otherwise none of what actually went down would have happened.

I still believe the perceived potential and not actual potential is a really silly comment. I dont think you even have to be a Trey Lance fan to believe that he has actual potential to be really good. Its just about reaching the potential.

Makes sense

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SinceXVI:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SinceXVI:
The argument that the HOU win doesn't count because of their record is lazy.

It's the same team that beat Justin Herbert the week before, contributing to the Chargers falling a game short of making the playoffs, the same position the Niners were in up to that point at 8-7.

That was a high pressure game for a rookie. Shanahan should have stuck w/ Trey after that game as Jimmy was never going to win #6 whether injured or healthy.

We will forever be hearing about how HOU.. a combined 7-26-1 with 2 fired coaches in 2 years.. beat Herbert the week before..

look I don't have a narrative.. just the fax sir or madam.. HOU sucks.. that's all there is to it

sure it counts, it counts as what is it, beating HOU is what it is.. I don't put it on the level of beating playoff teams / teams bound for the postseason or hype it as a tough team

Agree. Trey fanboy are trying so hard...LMAO.

With players that left as free agents to contenders. See Justin Reid.

You made a poor argument. That's an NFL team, better players than Trey faced in college.

There is no discounting stats because of your opponent's record. That's a straw man argument made up by Lance critics.

When Joe Montana put up 476 yards 6 tds against an Atlanta Falcons team that finished 5-11, no one dismissed it because of their record.

We really comparing Montana to Trey now?

No, it's an example of how an impressive statistical accomplishment wasn't discounted because of the quality of the opponent.

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by SinceXVI:
That's an NFL team, better players than Trey faced in college.

Doesn't mean much if anything.

Originally posted by SinceXVI:
There is no discounting stats because of your opponent's record. That's a straw man argument made up by Lance critics.

There is always discounting because of opponent's strength. You don't know what straw man argument is.

No there isn't. That's the straw man itself.

Originally posted by SinceXVI:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SinceXVI:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SinceXVI:
The argument that the HOU win doesn't count because of their record is lazy.

It's the same team that beat Justin Herbert the week before, contributing to the Chargers falling a game short of making the playoffs, the same position the Niners were in up to that point at 8-7.

That was a high pressure game for a rookie. Shanahan should have stuck w/ Trey after that game as Jimmy was never going to win #6 whether injured or healthy.

We will forever be hearing about how HOU.. a combined 7-26-1 with 2 fired coaches in 2 years.. beat Herbert the week before..

look I don't have a narrative.. just the fax sir or madam.. HOU sucks.. that's all there is to it

sure it counts, it counts as what is it, beating HOU is what it is.. I don't put it on the level of beating playoff teams / teams bound for the postseason or hype it as a tough team

Agree. Trey fanboy are trying so hard...LMAO.

With players that left as free agents to contenders. See Justin Reid.

You made a poor argument. That's an NFL team, better players than Trey faced in college.

There is no discounting stats because of your opponent's record. That's a straw man argument made up by Lance critics.

When Joe Montana put up 476 yards 6 tds against an Atlanta Falcons team that finished 5-11, no one dismissed it because of their record.

We really comparing Montana to Trey now?

No, it's an example of how an impressive statistical accomplishment wasn't discounted because of the quality of the opponent.

Lol.. throwing 476 and 6 is an accomplishment I don't care who you play.. beating the Texans isn't in the same ballpark

Look credit where it is due I think the HOU win was cool it was the first win in a young man's career; that's a big deal, but let's not blow smoke here

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SinceXVI:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SinceXVI:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SinceXVI:
The argument that the HOU win doesn't count because of their record is lazy.

It's the same team that beat Justin Herbert the week before, contributing to the Chargers falling a game short of making the playoffs, the same position the Niners were in up to that point at 8-7.

That was a high pressure game for a rookie. Shanahan should have stuck w/ Trey after that game as Jimmy was never going to win #6 whether injured or healthy.

We will forever be hearing about how HOU.. a combined 7-26-1 with 2 fired coaches in 2 years.. beat Herbert the week before..

look I don't have a narrative.. just the fax sir or madam.. HOU sucks.. that's all there is to it

sure it counts, it counts as what is it, beating HOU is what it is.. I don't put it on the level of beating playoff teams / teams bound for the postseason or hype it as a tough team

Agree. Trey fanboy are trying so hard...LMAO.

With players that left as free agents to contenders. See Justin Reid.

You made a poor argument. That's an NFL team, better players than Trey faced in college.

There is no discounting stats because of your opponent's record. That's a straw man argument made up by Lance critics.

When Joe Montana put up 476 yards 6 tds against an Atlanta Falcons team that finished 5-11, no one dismissed it because of their record.

We really comparing Montana to Trey now?

No, it's an example of how an impressive statistical accomplishment wasn't discounted because of the quality of the opponent.

Lol.. throwing 476 and 6 is an accomplishment I don't care who you play.. beating the Texans isn't in the same ballpark

Look credit where it is due I think the HOU win was cool it was the first win in a young man's career; that's a big deal, but let's not blow smoke here

In one example the weakness of the opponent didn't matter but in the other example it does.

That's inconsistent logic.

The only difference is that one player is the GOAT QB in his prime while the other is a rookie playing in an elimination game.

In both cases, they are impressive performances in themselves.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by genus49:
We'll see what happens. If Brock plays well enough to win the job then great. But you're wrong in your reasoning.

Trey didn't fail the team with his play, the team failed him. Whether that matters is another story, it's a tough business.

when having context, goes wrong

It's not that complex.

The team drafted Trey knowing he needed reps to improve. They then sat him as a rookie only playing him when forced by injury and when they played him it was mostly using him as a near fullback.

I mentioned before when you look at Trey's runs vs Seattle when he came in mid game vs his runs when he was a starter they were a lot worse.

On top of it the whole thing this year with Lance starting was "we don't need Trey to do too much the run game, defense and all our talent at WR/TE would help him out"

His one start this year aka his big chance to prove himself Kittle is out. Mitchell gets hurt early. Deebo fumbles in the red zone. Defense commits stupid penalties in key moments and screw up coverage allowing Fields to throw for his 3 good throws and two of them for TDs.

So yes the team failed him. They knew what they were getting and the support system which was supposed to lift him up didn't live up to the billing.