Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:
Oh boy, I don't know about that. Especially in here. Now that Brock is detracting from everything Jimmy did, people need to throw that much more hate at Trey.

The goal was to improve at the position and move on from Jimmy.

Jimmy is done as a Niner. Brock Purdy, not Trey Lance, has made that a reality. You need insurance with Lance.

Not if he is okay with $6 million per year.

I doubt that Jimmy sees himself as a backup and I'm sure there will one some teams that are willing to sign him. He should be completely healthy before the training camps, unlike this year. Any offer he gets would be more than $6 million.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by ItsX4Number6:
You brought up Seattle knowing Jimmy didn't even play a full game but still made a similar impact as Brock with a full game.

So Jimmy lost 60 yards and a td by not playing in one extra series? He played 90% of the damn game.

He had a rushing TD too. So yeah just 60 yards in two drives. Both had 2 TDs and 21 points. They are very similar QBs imo. Brock has a higher ceiling but as far as play style it's short routes, YAC, and getting the ball to CMC.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
I think he'll get an offer to start somewhere else, but if he didn't I'd be happy re-signing him at that price again.

As someone just mentioned, you need insurance if Purdy flops as well. I'm trying to maximize the team's chances of winning now while they have the capability of doing so.

Who would be that insurance then?

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:
Oh boy, I don't know about that. Especially in here. Now that Brock is detracting from everything Jimmy did, people need to throw that much more hate at Trey.

The goal was to improve at the position and move on from Jimmy.

Jimmy is done as a Niner. Brock Purdy, not Trey Lance, has made that a reality. You need insurance with Lance.

LMFAO that's not true at all and you know it. Jimmy was done as a Niner the second Lynch traded our draft picks to get a QB that can play better. Before Trey was selected and long before Brock was drafted. If I had to pinpoint the moment Jimmy was done as a Niner it would have been the stretch of games he was recovering from a sprained ankle and Kyle thought he should play but Jimmy said he needed more time.

Originally posted by ItsX4Number6:
He had a rushing TD too. So yeah just 60 yards in two drives. Both had 2 TDs and 21 points. They are very similar QBs imo. Brock has a higher ceiling but as far as play style it's short routes, YAC, and getting the ball to CMC.

They're not at all similar. The offense is similar, however.

Originally posted by ItsX4Number6:
He had a rushing TD too. So yeah just 60 yards in two drives. Both had 2 TDs and 21 points. They are very similar QBs imo. Brock has a higher ceiling but as far as play style it's short routes, YAC, and getting the ball to CMC.

I'd agree they are somewhat similar but Brock has shown far better pocket presence and better mobility throughout preseason and now in regular season. Those two things help a ton.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Wait didn't Brock get hurt in his first start? I think what you mean is SF needs insurance at the QB position. Period. We have TWO young QBs that can grow and develop. Proclaiming anything beyond that is being foolish.

Yes you need insurance at the QB position regardless of the player. The difference is if Purdy continues on this trajectory, the insurance is for injury. With Lance you need insurance for injury, and his ability to play the game. Can that change? Sure.

Brock has shown enough to at a minimum be insurance should Lance fail to develop, making Jimmy expendable.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
I can only speak for myself but I am not a Jimmy guy. I think he's an average starter. That being said, if my team is ready to win the Super Bowl right now, and the option is Trey Lance or Jimmy... I'm playing Jimmy. My criticism is until Brock Purdy emerged, that's the position the team was put in by management. For all we've invested in the position, that's a really bad outcome. Brock is a wild card with the potential for rescuing this clusterf**k of a situation.

And Jimmy already lost a SB and lost in the playoffs. Investments aren't regarded as bad if you've haven't even seen it play out. Thank god our coaching staff and ownership don't think like that.

I don't see cluster f**k at all…we won games with avg QB play for years. It's not like we're replacing Patrick Mahomes,. You're acting like Brock is playing like prime Rogers or some s**t. When in reality he's just running the plays and not s**tting himself when pressured. He's gotten 1,500 passing attempts to get him prepared for that…how consistent or better will he become? No clue. personally, I don't think he's gonna get marginally better due to the fact he's already played a ton of football and he doesn't have elite physical tools….unlike you I'm not gonna say can't or won't.

Acting like lance can't improve with more football is very ignorant/foolish imo. He has intangibles you want along with the skill set. He's gotta play now and more than a couple games

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:
LMFAO that's not true. Jimmy was done as a Niner the second Lynch traded our draft picks to get a QB that can play better. Before Trey was selected and long before Brock was drafted. If I had to pinpoint the moment Jimmy was done as a Niner it would have been the stretch of games he was recovering from a sprained ankle and Kyle thought he should play but Jimmy said he needed more time.

Yea I remember how confident you were in the offseason that Jimmy wouldn't be on the team this season. Like many others, suggesting he should be cut if we couldn't find a trade partner. I tried to tell you that was wrong, and foolish. Thank god you don't run the team because this season likely* would have been wasted.

Further, had Purdy not emerged, I think there's a good chance we would have re-signed Jimmy at the end of this season, and reports were beginning to emerge indicating as much. We also could have brought in a different veteran free agent. Thankfully, Purdy is giving us another viable option.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Yea I remember how confident you were in the offseason that Jimmy wouldn't be on the team this season. Like many others, suggesting he should be cut if we couldn't find a trade partner. I tried to tell you that was wrong, and foolish. Thank god you don't run the team because this season likely* would have been wasted.

Further, had Purdy not emerged, I think there's a good chance we would have re-signed Jimmy at the end of this season, and reports were beginning to emerge indicating as much. We also could have brought in a different veteran free agent. Thankfully, Purdy is giving us another viable option.

Paying 25-30 mil for a guy you admit is average is a far bigger clusterf*ck then chancing things on an unproven rookie IMO.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Yea I remember how confident you were in the offseason that Jimmy wouldn't be on the team this season. Like many others, suggesting he should be cut if we couldn't find a trade partner. I tried to tell you that was wrong, and foolish. Thank god you don't run the team because this season likely* would have been wasted.

Further, had Purdy not emerged, I think there's a good chance we would have re-signed Jimmy at the end of this season, and reports were beginning to emerge indicating as much. We also could have brought in a different veteran free agent. Thankfully, Purdy is giving us another viable option.

I mean he pretty much was cut. If he didn't take a massive discount and become the backup he wasn't coming back.

The only way Jimmy would have resigned is if it was for some dirty cheap one yr deal. SF wasn't gonna invest a ton a money in an often injured QB. He wasn't coming back based on the market and how bad teams need any type of QB.

SF has a ton of FAs and about to pay Bosa QB money.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
And Jimmy already lost a SB and lost in the playoffs. Investments aren't regarded as bad if you've haven't even seen it play out. Thank god our coaching staff and ownership don't think like that.

I don't see cluster f**k at all…we won games with avg QB play for years. It's not like we're replacing Patrick Mahomes,. You're acting like Brock is playing like prime Rogers or some s**t. When in reality he's just running the plays and not s**tting himself when pressured. He's gotten 1,500 passing attempts to get him prepared for that…how consistent or better will he become? No clue. personally, I don't think he's gonna get marginally better due to the fact he's already played a ton of football and he doesn't have elite physical tools….unlike you I'm not gonna say can't or won't.

Acting like lance can't improve with more football is very ignorant/foolish imo. He has intangibles you want along with the skill set. He's gotta play now and more than a couple games

I'm not acting like Purdy is playing at an elite level. I'm acting like Purdy is playing the position better than our other two quarterbacks on the roster, in a small sample size.

Again, you can say the team has proven that we can win a bunch of games with average QB play. I don't disagree with that. What I disagree with is that Trey Lance plays at an average QB level. He's not close to that in his limited sample. It's not a comment on his 'potential', it's a comment on where he is now.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Paying 25-30 mil for a guy you admit is average is a far bigger clusterf*ck then chancing things on an unproven rookie IMO.

They didn't pay him 25-30 million knowing he was average. That was revealed later.

I didn't put the team in a position to choose between playing Jimmy or Trey. Management did. That was a bad thing!

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
They didn't pay him 25-30 million knowing he was average. That was revealed later.

I didn't put the team in a position to choose between playing Jimmy or Trey. Management did. That was a bad thing!

I'm talking resigning him. You are suggesting without Brock 9ers would bring Jimmy back. A guy you admit is average. That going rate is going to be that cost from someone.

I'd rather use that money on the rest of the roster and see what Trey can become with all the talent around him given the choice.

What was the good choice they should've done instead?

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
I'm talking resigning him. You are suggesting without Brock 9ers would bring Jimmy back. A guy you admit is average. That going rate is going to be that cost from someone.

I'd rather use that money on the rest of the roster and see what Trey can become with all the talent around him given the choice.

I also posited they could bring in another veteran free agent. The crux of my point being it would be malpractice to give the keys to this team to a raw QB, who hasn't played well in his limited time, without a serious insurance policy. Jimmy was that this season... Brock will at least be that going forward.