Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

And the saga continues.

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Wubbie:
Yep.
The thing that drives me nuts about people claiming "Brock Purdy is our next great QB", or Trey Lance is a bust", is that the sample size is so small on both of them. There's things you can see on film, but most posters don't actually watch the film and just make knee-jerk reactions.

Like... "Oh! Look at Brock Purdy's numbers against the blitz vs. the Saints & Dolphins"... I'm like... "Fantastic! That's what we love to see!", but there's still a question... Has he consistently shown he can beat the blitz week in and week out? Who knows? That's something that only time reveals.

It's because Brock's expectations are next to zero. He was the last pick in the draft. He had bottom of the league measurables and arm talent. So when he goes out and plays quality football, fans are going to become overly dramatic about it… especially the ones that did not want to draft Trey Lance or move off of Jimmy Garoppolo. Those are the main people that you're debating in here. They don't care that he played football for 4 yrs and had 5X the amount of passing attempts.

And with Lance the expectations are through the roof and rightfully so. In there eyes he was suppose to be some consistent play maker even though he was a very young inexperienced QB that needed reps to improve…those people also said he shouldn't play because he wasn't "ready" and should not play football, which is really the only thing that gonna get him better lol….Those fans basically put Lance into a no win situation unless he came out and played like Mahomes or Herbert. Kinda hard to have a levelheaded convo with those people imo.

you keep saying stuff like " in their (sp) eyes he was suppose to be " "those people also said he shouldn't play " "Those fans "

why are you being so passively divisive? Kyle Shanahan and John Lynch were the guys who laid out the plans for Trey Lance. that plan was for him to sit behind Jimmy until he was ready.

Now he is going to sit behind Purdy until he is ready.

Originally posted by boast:
you keep saying stuff like " in their (sp) eyes he was suppose to be " "those people also said he shouldn't play " "Those fans "

why are you being so passively divisive? Kyle Shanahan and John Lynch were the guys who laid out the plans for Trey Lance. that plan was for him to sit behind Jimmy until he was ready.

I'm pointing out that they said themselves he wasn't ready to play mainly because of being raw and lack of reps…in the same breath a lot of them don't want him to play and get reps because this is a SB roster…people are still saying that. how you gonna expect consistent play when you don't even want him to play and develop?

Originally posted by boast:
theoretical (aka what if) stats don't do much for me. scoreboards are much more important.

Lol you just brought up luck being a stat…making a bad read of throwing a horrible pass and getting lucky the other team doesn't catch it or does and gets a ridiculous PI call is still a bad play on the QB. No different than a blown pass block where the QB magically gets free to make a play. Still a bad PB. Or an amazing throw that a WR drops…still a great pass

Originally posted by NYniner85:
It's because Brock's expectations are next to zero. He was the last pick in the draft. He had bottom of the league measurables and arm talent. So when he goes out and plays quality football, fans are going to become overly dramatic about it… especially the ones that did not want to draft Trey Lance or move off of Jimmy Garoppolo. Those are the main people that you're debating in here. They don't care that he played football for 4 yrs and had 5X the amount of passing attempts.

And with Lance the expectations are through the roof and rightfully so. In there eyes he was suppose to be some consistent play maker even though he was a very young inexperienced QB that needed reps to improve…those people also said he shouldn't play because he wasn't "ready" and should not play football, which is really the only thing that gonna get him better lol….Those fans basically put Lance into a no win situation unless he came out and played like Mahomes or Herbert. Kinda hard to have a levelheaded convo with those people imo.

Brock's 10 yard split and 20 yard split are equivalent to Deshaun Watson. Watson is more agile, but Brock has a stronger arm.

Compare to Drew Brees, Brock is much more mobile and probably has a stronger arm too.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by boast:
theoretical (aka what if) stats don't do much for me. scoreboards are much more important.

Lol you just brought up luck being a stat…

luck has real consequences on a scoreboard tho. we've all seen the Seahawks thrive on being lucky.

almost INTs do not.

With the activation of Javon Kinlaw from IR before Saturday's game, it all but slams the door for Trey making a miraculous return this season, as it's assumed that the final IR activation will be used on either Elijah Mitchell or the other d-lineman, Davis.

#6 rests on Purdy's arm now, but it would have been nice to have Trey active in case of emergency, this team just needs a QB who can manage the game and hit the occasional big throw to win it all.

If Lance isn't screaming at Shanahan to be activated (assuming he's healthy enough) like Young did to Seifert when he was pulled from a blowout loss, then he's not a true competitor.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by boast:
you keep saying stuff like " in their (sp) eyes he was suppose to be " "those people also said he shouldn't play " "Those fans "

why are you being so passively divisive? Kyle Shanahan and John Lynch were the guys who laid out the plans for Trey Lance. that plan was for him to sit behind Jimmy until he was ready.

I'm pointing out that they said themselves he wasn't ready to play mainly because of being raw and lack of reps…in the same breath a lot of them don't want him to play and get reps because this is a SB roster…people are still saying that. how you gonna expect consistent play when you don't even want him to play and develop?

you constantly ignore that when he did get his chances to play, he's injured. he had opportunities last season. this season he was named the starter. his injuries are holding back his development more than fan opinion.

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by boast:
"flat out luck" is an important factor in successful football tho.

https://operations.nfl.com/gameday/analytics/stats-articles/how-luck-plays-a-role-in-the-success-of-nfl-teams/

Which has nothing to do with QB play if we're talking about playing consistent football. No different then if a wide open WR drops a perfectly thrown pass. Both are incompletions. PFF has a stat called turn over worthy plays and I saw this stat

this recent three-game stretch, the rookie quarterback has been dinged with four "turnover-worthy plays" by PFF. And if he had enough dropbacks to qualify for the statistical charts, his 4.5-percent turnover-worthy play rate would rank fourth-worst in the NFL, behind only Zach Wilson, Justin Fields, and Taylor Heinicke.

theoretical (aka what if) stats don't do much for me. scoreboards are much more important.

Those that would like to delve in depth on a subject without trying to cover their eyes consider both.

Originally posted by libertyforever:
Brock's 10 yard split and 20 yard split are equivalent to Deshaun Watson. Watson is more agile, but Brock has a stronger arm.

Compare to Drew Brees, Brock is much more mobile and probably has a stronger arm too.

Now compare everything else lol. There's a reason he was the last pick in the draft dude. Stop it

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by boast:
you keep saying stuff like " in their (sp) eyes he was suppose to be " "those people also said he shouldn't play " "Those fans "

why are you being so passively divisive? Kyle Shanahan and John Lynch were the guys who laid out the plans for Trey Lance. that plan was for him to sit behind Jimmy until he was ready.

I'm pointing out that they said themselves he wasn't ready to play mainly because of being raw and lack of reps…in the same breath a lot of them don't want him to play and get reps because this is a SB roster…people are still saying that. how you gonna expect consistent play when you don't even want him to play and develop?

There is nothing wrong in saying that. It is true. Just because he can't get any better without playing doesn't mean the team should be wasting the Super Bowl window with him at QB.

Originally posted by random49er:
Those that would like to delve in depth on a subject without trying to cover their eyes consider both.

He's clearly not a fan of PFF

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by boast:
"flat out luck" is an important factor in successful football tho.

https://operations.nfl.com/gameday/analytics/stats-articles/how-luck-plays-a-role-in-the-success-of-nfl-teams/

Which has nothing to do with QB play if we're talking about playing consistent football. No different then if a wide open WR drops a perfectly thrown pass. Both are incompletions. PFF has a stat called turn over worthy plays and I saw this stat

this recent three-game stretch, the rookie quarterback has been dinged with four "turnover-worthy plays" by PFF. And if he had enough dropbacks to qualify for the statistical charts, his 4.5-percent turnover-worthy play rate would rank fourth-worst in the NFL, behind only Zach Wilson, Justin Fields, and Taylor Heinicke.

theoretical (aka what if) stats don't do much for me. scoreboards are much more important.

Those that would like to delve in depth on a subject without trying to cover their eyes consider both.

lol at saying people are ignorant for not putting much stock in what-if stats for games that have already been decided and won.

i find the set of posters making these divisive claims very interesting

Originally posted by Jcool:

Every 49ers player found a new soundbar at his locker after practice. The secret Santa: Trey Lance. pic.twitter.com/UM9mJVQZHx

— Matt Barrows (@mattbarrows) December 22, 2022

Thats a nice gift.