Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:
No, not literally everyone. Quite a few are saying it's Kyle's system, that it's so QB friendly he could plug and play with anyone.

Kyles system definitely helps the QB, no doubt about it, but Purdy has been doing a lot of great things ontop of that. I think you could plug in any competent/average QB and they'll be functional in this offense but Purdy is doing more than that.

I'm not saying that, I love what Purdy is doing and am astonished by everything he's accomplished.. There are talking heads saying that though, and ultimately using it to detract from what Jimmy did.

Originally posted by Polkadots:
Normally I would agree. But I have injury PTSD, and $20M to mitigate the chance of losing another season to QB injuries piques my interest.

I get what you're saying. $20M is just very steep. We will have to see how our team looks at the time. That money could be used to bring in 5-6 solid vets to shore
up depth but we could have the spare money. So much could happen between now and then that who knows what will happen. Haha

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:
I'm not saying that, I love what Purdy is doing and am astonished by everything he's accomplished.. There are talking heads saying that though, and ultimately using it to detract from what Jimmy did.

Ahh I get it. Purdy has reignited my obsession with this team. Haha I want to win a super bowl so bad. The teams been terrible for a majority of my life and I was 1.5 when we won our last super bowl.

Never seen the niners have any consistent success in my life 😭. The best run I've seen only last three years and we didn't win a chip. If you add kyles two successful season (2019 & 2022) - I've only seen 5 winning seasons of 49ers football in my life.

Originally posted by tankle104:
I get what you're saying. $20M is just very steep. We will have to see how our team looks at the time. That money could be used to bring in 5-6 solid vets to shore
up depth but we could have the spare money. So much could happen between now and then that who knows what will happen. Haha

I, as a "Jimmy Hater," would love nothing more than having Trey turn out to be the guy. But if Brock does enough to secure the position, I would be perfectly fine not exercising Trey's 5th year option, if in so doing it allows the team to strengthen the rest of the roster (which, it obviously would).

But if Brock gets injured and the season fails due to having an unreliable backup, I reserve the right to edit this post next year.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:
I'm not saying that, I love what Purdy is doing and am astonished by everything he's accomplished.. There are talking heads saying that though, and ultimately using it to detract from what Jimmy did.

Ahh I get it. Purdy has reignited my obsession with this team. Haha I want to win a super bowl so bad. The teams been terrible for a majority of my life and I was 1.5 when we won our last super bowl.

Never seen the niners have any consistent success in my life 😭. The best run I've seen only last three years and we didn't win a chip. If you add kyles two successful season (2019 & 2022) - I've only seen 5 winning seasons and 25 terrible seasons of 49ers football in my life.

I'm with you, homie. I was lucky enough to watch all of our championship runs, but wanted Trey so badly just to see a QB throw the ball more than 5 yards. It's been a while. People say Purdy doesn't have a ton of arm strength, but the passes I'm watching him make are what I've been longing for on this team. I'm truly enjoying the hell out of this, and each game he plays growing more confident in our shot at #6.

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by ItsX4Number6:
I think Treys potential is exponentially higher than Purdys. I think Trey has a long way to go and has bust potential but he has that superstar ability only a few have. Purdy is the better more experienced QB and has really played well but I don't see his potential much more than a slightly better Jimmy or Tannehill.

How many years are you willing to wait on potential that may never be realized? I think if Purdy continues playing well, Lance really has this upcoming offseason to wow the organization and establish him as the #1 guy in spite of whatever Purdy might have done.

At some point, endless natural talent and potential is irrelevant is a guy can't put it all together. The good news is that if Lance doesn't develop into who they envisioned when they drafted him, there is now a Plan B that has presented itself.

IDK how many years but I know I'd like to see more than 3 games.

This.

Dude played in 3 games... non-consecutive starts...the last one in a monsoon... and Phoenix acting like Trey has played the whole time since he was drafted like Zach Wilson and Wilson's below average play.

I am willing to give Trey a full two years as long as we are winning games with him while he makes big plays and mistakes. And with this stacked roster we will win tons of games even with where he was at in the beginning of the season. That was the whole point that would still win games with him and by end of the season he has improved further and ready for a Super Bowl run.

Originally posted by Polkadots:
I, as a "Jimmy Hater," would love nothing more than having Trey turn out to be the guy. But if Brock does enough to secure the position, I would be perfectly fine not exercising Trey's 5th year option, if in so doing it allows the team to strengthen the rest of the roster (which, it obviously would).

But if Brock gets injured and the season fails due to having an unreliable backup, I reserve the right to edit this post next year.

Hahaha well hopefully if we don't have Lance, we signed a good backup.

with that said - I support you editing the post if it happens . Haha

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:
I'm with you, homie. I was lucky enough to watch all of our championship runs, but wanted Trey so badly just to see a QB throw the ball more than 5 yards. It's been a while. People say Purdy doesn't have a ton of arm strength, but the passes I'm watching him make are what I've been longing for on this team. I'm truly enjoying the hell out of this, and each game he plays growing more confident in our shot at #6.

Yes sir! I bet it was awesome watching those amazing teams and basking in the success.

i think a lot of the notion around Purdys arm is from his college days. He did some unique training with a private coach to improve his mechanics, velocity etc. he added 5 MPH to his ball 😶. It's not a cannon but I think it looks good.

you don't really need a big arm to be a great QB,A lot of the greats didn't. Montana, Brady, Manning (won a super bowl barely able to throw it 20 yards, Brees, Russ Wilson (not a cannon). Etc. leadership, pre snap reads, accuracy, anticipation etc are all more important - if you can do those well, you just need a "strong enough" arm and he has that.

What a fantastic place to be in.

We have 2 QB's that can start who are both VERY affordable.

We can use that savings to really bolster the team w/resignings and another gem or 2 FA's.

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by ItsX4Number6:
I think Treys potential is exponentially higher than Purdys. I think Trey has a long way to go and has bust potential but he has that superstar ability only a few have. Purdy is the better more experienced QB and has really played well but I don't see his potential much more than a slightly better Jimmy or Tannehill.

How many years are you willing to wait on potential that may never be realized? I think if Purdy continues playing well, Lance really has this upcoming offseason to wow the organization and establish him as the #1 guy in spite of whatever Purdy might have done.

At some point, endless natural talent and potential is irrelevant is a guy can't put it all together. The good news is that if Lance doesn't develop into who they envisioned when they drafted him, there is now a Plan B that has presented itself.

IDK how many years but I know I'd like to see more than 3 games.

This.

Dude played in 3 games... non-consecutive starts...the last one in a monsoon... and Phoenix acting like Trey has played the whole time since he was drafted like Zach Wilson and Wilson's below average play.

I am willing to give Trey a full two years as long as we are winning games with him while he makes big plays and mistakes. And with this stacked roster we will win tons of games even with where he was at in the beginning of the season. That was the whole point that would still win games with him and by end of the season he has improved further and ready for a Super Bowl run.

Right but in three games, trey has not shown very much. In three games Purdy has shown he could absolutely be the man. So why would the guy that is showing you stuff right now with less preparation and dedicated resources from the team not get two years but the other guy does? Don't throw good money after bad

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:
I'm with you, homie. I was lucky enough to watch all of our championship runs, but wanted Trey so badly just to see a QB throw the ball more than 5 yards. It's been a while. People say Purdy doesn't have a ton of arm strength, but the passes I'm watching him make are what I've been longing for on this team. I'm truly enjoying the hell out of this, and each game he plays growing more confident in our shot at #6.

Yes sir! I bet it was awesome watching those amazing teams and basking in the success.

i think a lot of the notion around Purdys arm is from his college days. He did some unique training with a private coach to improve his mechanics, velocity etc. he added 5 MPH to his ball 😶. It's not a cannon but I think it looks good.

you don't really need a big arm to be a great QB,A lot of the greats didn't. Montana, Brady, Manning (won a super bowl barely able to throw it 20 yards, Brees, Russ Wilson (not a cannon). Etc. leadership, pre snap reads, accuracy, anticipation etc are all more important - if you can do those well, you just need a "strong enough" arm and he has that.

Agreed.

Also, even in terms of athleticism, Brock Purdy's 10 yard split and 20 yard split are equivalent to Deshaun Watson. He has stronger arm than Watson. I think it is wrong to argue that Purdy has a low ceiling.

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

He wants him traded lol. He doesn't understand how the salary cap works for players under contracts, even though it's been explained several times. Maybe somebody can really dumb it down for him and maybe then he'll get it.

Dead cap is sunk cost. The decision shouldn't be influenced by sunk cost. That has been explained several times already.

His cap hit would be 20 mil if cut/traded. Unless you can get a first round pick for him, it's not worth it at all.

If Kyle and John has already determined he is a bust and Purdy is for real, then trading him would be the best decision regardless of the dead cap. Again this is just a big if. If Kyle and John think he might make it, then they should keep him.

Sometimes the team doesn't need to play a guy to know he is a bust. (e.g. Jim Druckenmiller, AJ Jenkins, Rashaun Woods).

there's zero evidence Lance is a bust. he has more value to this team than they could get back in a trade just by being in the system for nearly two years. the QB room in 2023 will be Purdy, Lance and maybe a cheap vet or another late round draft pick.

Not a bust just hasn't shown anything and gets injured frequently when he plays.
I do like him and Purdy as the top two qbs.

that's not true. he engineered a comeback against HOU last year. and before people say bUt hOuStOn, their pass defense was playing really well at the time.

OK, he has shown a little. I did like the flashes he showed here and there.
Brock has already shown a lot more IMO.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Not a bust just hasn't shown anything and gets injured frequently when he plays.
I do like him and Purdy as the top two qbs.

This post suggests you dont really know what frequently means.

50% of his starts is frequent.

LOL at you trying to nitpick this point.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
He wants him traded lol. He doesn't understand how the salary cap works for players under contracts, even though it's been explained several times. Maybe somebody can really dumb it down for him and maybe then he'll get it.

Dead cap is sunk cost. The decision shouldn't be influenced by sunk cost. That has been explained several times already.

His cap hit would be 20 mil if cut/traded. Unless you can get a first round pick for him, it's not worth it at all.

If Kyle and John has already determined he is a bust and Purdy is for real, then trading him would be the best decision regardless of the dead cap. Again this is just a big if. If Kyle and John think he might make it, then they should keep him.

Sometimes the team doesn't need to play a guy to know he is a bust. (e.g. Jim Druckenmiller, AJ Jenkins, Rashaun Woods).

there's zero evidence Lance is a bust. he has more value to this team than they could get back in a trade just by being in the system for nearly two years. the QB room in 2023 will be Purdy, Lance and maybe a cheap vet or another late round draft pick.

Not a bust just hasn't shown anything and gets injured frequently when he plays.
I do like him and Purdy as the top two qbs.

that's not true. he engineered a comeback against HOU last year. and before people say bUt hOuStOn, their pass defense was playing really well at the time.

OK, he has shown a little. I did like the flashes he showed here and there.
Brock has already shown a lot more IMO.

oh no doubt. im a big Brock believer already.

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Goatie:
That is a strawman response. At no stage have I have posted that Trey has reached his ceiling. Sure he will get better with experience. But he is not the best or second best QB on the roster right now. He will get better with experience. Whether he gets better than Purdy or JG who knows? But at the moment he is not the best candidate for starter. Purdy and JG are ahead of him. If JG goes somewhere else next year then he will be No2 behind Purdy baring any injury to Purdy. Shanahan and Lynch are not going risk the strength of the roster on Lance again while Purdy is still fit and capable.

So you want a guy cut who you don't feel has reached his ceiling?

He wants him traded lol. He doesn't understand how the salary cap works for players under contracts, even though it's been explained several times. Maybe somebody can really dumb it down for him and maybe then he'll get it.

You are clueless about what I understand or do not understand.

It is a pity you always try and descend into personalizing a debate because a person disagrees with you.

I used to have some respect for you but I have noticed that you continue to run people down and try and claim that they are less intelligent than you when they have a different opinion. Perhaps you should consider it reflects more poorly on you when you personalize debates and act all arrogant like you are some superior football oracle. You are not.