Originally posted by 49ers81:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by 49ers81:
And this statement is based on what exactly? The 318 passes that Lance attempted in college? The 10 minutes of highlight plays available on YouTube? The assumption that a 20 year old QB of limited experience, from a Division II school, will be better than a vet with 4 years in the system who took the team to the Super Bowl 2 years ago? I swear I don't know what it is about QB threads that makes the general conversation so poorly grounded in any kind of reality.
Jimmy has about 2 in a half yrs of "experience" as a starter...I didn't realize sitting on the bench or nursing injuries equals experience?
I mean if you want to watch a 10 min YouTube highlight film to justify what he is more power to ya, I'll bet money Kyle and Co. did more than that in order to feel good about burning 3 1sts and moving on this amazing starter 
But in the four years he has been here he has been to OTA's and mini camps and training camp and done classroom study and perhaps virtual reps when he was injured. In other words he has been invested in the system for four years regardless of the time he was forced to sit because of injuries. By the time the season comes around Lance will have had 3 months of exposure to an offense that many say takes at least two years to get comfortable in. I can't be sure of course, but the last time I checked four years was longer than three months.
As to your statement that, as of this moment, you don't think Jimmy is markedly better than Lance, is that due the fact that you have invested the time to track down and watch all of Lance's games that are available on the internet, broken down North Dakota's offense and found the systemic comparisons to Kyle's offense, and correlated all of the plays that Lance ran that have similar concepts to Kyle's scheme and measured Lance's and Jimmy's effectiveness in running those concepts in terms of positive and negative outcomes, completion percentages, off platform throws, and the ability to extend plays and create outside the parameters of its design? I'm guessing not. I suspect like a lot of people you have watched a handful of highlights (in case you don't know there is a reason they call them highlights) determined that Lance's play against Division II opponents is somehow equal to the level of competition in the NFL and formulated the "opinion" that Lance and Jimmy are just about equal. Which is about the same as pulling it out of a hat I suppose. or perhaps somewhere further down the anatomy.
I have watched all of Jimmy's games since he became a Niner. I have watched the highlights, and re-watched the games that I liked. I saw him go straight up against Drew Brees in a shoot out and win, with a huge assist from Kittle. I've seen him complete two consecutive 3rd and 16's against the Rams to win a game that could have been a loss. I have seen him drive the team into winning field goal range twice against the Seahawks with time running out only to have the team's fill in kicker miss a kick in one game he had already made from a similar distance. I saw him score a TD on his first game action ever against the Seahawks I think, with hardly any understanding of the offense at all. I saw him beat three teams destined for playoffs in his first five starts. I've seen him finish a Super Bowl run season in the top five of almost every category that matters for a QB, and I've seen Trey Lance's 10 minutes of highlight's on the internet. Yeah, yeah, yeah, if you add all of the various highlight videos together I am sure they add up to more than 10 minutes, but they're essentially all the same plays.
Because I don't watch college football I don't know anything about Lance except that he seems to have some upside and I will be interested to see how he develops. However, I can't even see how someone could take that limited amount of information and come to the conclusion that there is no real difference between Lance and Jimmy as far as being an NFL ready QB goes on May 30 of 2021. I suspect the truth is that you have decided that Lance passes the eye candy test and determined that he is the player you want to see start so you just make up these ridiculous comparisons, completely lacking in any kind of empirical foundation, and lazily pass them off as some kind of "considered" opinion. Don't feel too bad though, that is a pretty common formula around here.
Very nicely done, as was the video post of Lance's every play and run in college. Thanx to both posters.
Opinions are all over the place, some fans on one side, some on the other. One of the big issues, however, is that Lance didn't play football until he was 14 (i believe) and his collegiate tape is just from one yr and one game. That's all. No matter whose side you come down on, there is a massive lack of experience on Lance's side AND it was all at a Division one school. (IA or 1D, however they rate it). Anybody that thinks Lance is ready to play in a game where FASTER, BIGGER, STRONGER, MEANER is usually a problem for QBs coming out of the BIG 12, SEC, PAc 10...imagine what a difference that is for a kid coming out of a Div 1 college. So tape on Lance is exciting as all get out, no question. But don't get carried away by his film because sometimes it is against talent that is really 4 cuts below the big time football programs like, Notre Dame, ALA, Clemson, USC, ORE, etc. Try and imagine playing against NDSU's opponents and suddenly playing against NFL opponents. It has to be a system shocker...especially, BIGGER, STRONGER, FASTER.
That doesn't make Lance any less athletic nor exciting, it is just a reminder what kind of talent he has played against. So watching his film as i enjoyed doing, is really lopsided, when it comes to talent he was playing against. JG has played in the BIGS and his abilities are known to all. Also his unfortunate penchant for getting injured is on display. Just two plays but that kept him out of action basically two yrs.
As for my choice? Best 11, and that means at QB also. Not just athleticism, but knowing the position and knowing what NFL BIG Rush is all about . Kyle will make the choice and will undoubtedly play the guy who helps us win the most./best. By all rights, that should be JimmyG, but this is an open contest, and when Lance is ready, no question kyle will start him. Instead, I expect a few plays for Lance when at the goal line, or on trick plays when lance lines up at RB split wide, and he either ends up throwing a pass or being used as trickery where it looks like he will throw a pass. Next time we run it, kyle does exactly the opposite Those are the kind of plays i see lance getting this yr.
Now if it turns out that Lance is just a better option than Jimmy, then fans will know it probably about the time kyle thinks he is ready. It all boils down to who gives us the greatest chance of us winning. After all, that is what kS and JL are all about...the Ws.
My guess is the guy with the good hx of playing well in big games....against SEA, RAMS, N.O, to name a few... But should he get injured, well, we have a great athlete to step in for him. I really hope that doesn't happen tho. Lance is our QoTF, and i hope it plays out that way. If that gets us a SB , well, then, bring it on.
A final aspect of this is coaching, and Lance did not have the opportunity to learn under BB for 4 yrs and behind #12 . Nor did he have the opportunity to be coached by the best OC since GOAT BW. Sure, Lance got some really fine tutoring prior to draft with a handpicked QB coach of the Shanahans. But all things seem to point to the guys with most experience in the BIGS, and 4 yrs in the system. Going for Lance is a purported photographic memory. Man would that be nice if true, as he would be able to learn the KYLE system way faster than most . But still learning the playbook and actually carrying out the plays, particularly in a kid who has such limited experience....that seems unlikely...to me, anyway.
For you Lance only fans...you will see your guy eventually. Just how soon that is, nobody knows. My preference? The guy who gets us back in the SB which we win this time. Lastly, for both QBs and all teammates...i wish a healthy season that wipes out all reminders of the disastrous injury season just past. Good health for all...and we win. That's asking a lot , maybe, but somebody up there owes us good health PLUS our GM/HC have definitely changed their minds on moneyball...and that should help a lot. We still have some injured to work thru but we are getting there.
Best 11 guys, best 11.
post of the year.
