Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by NinerBuff:
Unless Jimmy can prove otherwise (and he'll never have a better offense around him as now), I do not believe he can win a championship.

I have medium confidence that Shanahan can do it.

And I have medium-low confidence Lance can do it.

Ultimately it comes down to winning a SB. This year could be it, and it could be related to a down year in the conference and getting lucky. Or Jimmy could take another step. But I suspect we'll lose either in the NFCCG or SB with Jimmy.

And then you ask yourself, should we run it back again, he was so close?!

If we want the same results.

So a QB that has been here for 5 yrs and in the league for 8 yrs "could" take another step…but a 22 yr old QB who's only play in one full game as the starting QB can't improve or develop? I'm not saying this directly to you but more or less there's a theme in here along those lines and it's ridiculously hypocritical.

SF isn't gonna resign Jimmy, especially if they win a SB. He will get a healthy payday and SF has allocated their future to Lance along with cap investments elsewhere knowing that they have a young QB on a rookie contract.

While I'm down for whatever this yr. Let's roll…it's funny how this place flip flops week to week. We lose to teams like ATL and it's fire everyone. We win a game vs LA and it's talking about the SB. The week to week reactionary opinions are wild

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Goatie:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
josh allen got better, jalen hurts got better, tua got better, fields is looking better...

lance has a great opportunity to get better. arrow up

He hasn't played much football in the last couple of years. It might be too late for him to develop. I think he will be traded when he gets off IR

🤣

Lol....

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NinerBuff:
Unless Jimmy can prove otherwise (and he'll never have a better offense around him as now), I do not believe he can win a championship.

I have medium confidence that Shanahan can do it.

And I have medium-low confidence Lance can do it.

Ultimately it comes down to winning a SB. This year could be it, and it could be related to a down year in the conference and getting lucky. Or Jimmy could take another step. But I suspect we'll lose either in the NFCCG or SB with Jimmy.

And then you ask yourself, should we run it back again, he was so close?!

If we want the same results.

So a QB that has been here for 5 yrs and in the league for 8 yrs "could" take another step…but a 22 yr old QB who's only play in one full game as the starting QB can't improve or develop? I'm not saying this directly to you but more or less there's a theme in here along those lines and it's ridiculously hypocritical.

SF isn't gonna resign Jimmy, especially if they win a SB. He will get a healthy payday and SF has allocated their future to Lance along with cap investments elsewhere knowing that they have a young QB on a rookie contract.

While I'm down for whatever this yr. Let's roll…it's funny how this place flip flops week to week. We lose to teams like ATL and it's fire everyone. We win a game vs LA and it's talking about the SB. The week to week reactionary opinions are wild

Duh. When we lose its all Kyle Shanahan's fault. When we win its because Jimmy G carries Kyle Shanahan.

I'd say that the 49ers are very fortunate to have Jimmy on the team after Lance's season-ending injury...I'm sure he has started to play at richpalms.)) Anyway, they will need more from the other side of the ball. And I also believe that a young player can improve and develop. In the end, it's about the team, not only a single player.

Originally posted by NinerBuff:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
He hasn't shown anything to be better than Jimmy G. Nothing at all. He's not even as good as Justin Fields at this point.

We disagree, which isn't important.

For you, what would Lance need to do to change your mind?

His feelings for Lance clearly are not football-related. Might as leave it there.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
We gotta look elsewhere now imo. Bring back JG or a equivalent current starter type. TL can compete with that guy.

Kyle says just give him cancer right now, why don't you? Lol.

Compete? It's been shown that Lance is naturally a competitive person...so motivation is not an issue.

But beyond that....perhaps you can link us to the last Top 3 Pick QB that was never afforded a lengthy stretch of starts and only given a chance to "compete"??

I think you -- like many here -- might wanna separate what you want away from what is obviously destined to happen. Once you are able to do that,....reality's not that hard to stomach.

And on Jimmy G....did you happen to watch his play just a game and a half ago? Why would such a major reinvestment occur so suddenly? Simply because his last game with our new All Pro RB was marvelous?

Wouldn't saying "hey....let's see how Jimmy Performa these next 7 games or so" be a much more reasonable response from you than "bring Jimmy back"....?

There's a lot of football left to be played.

But barring some freak rehabilitation issues, the team is clearly 100% confident in moving to TL from JG. In fact,...they already have.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
We gotta look elsewhere now imo. Bring back JG or a equivalent current starter type. TL can compete with that guy.

Kyle says just give him cancer right now, why don't you? Lol.

Wouldn't "Let's see how Jimmy Performa these next 7 games or so" be a much more reasonable response from you than "bring Jimmy back"....?

There's a lot of football left to be played.

But barring some freak rehabilitation issues, the team is clearly 100% confident in moving to TL from JG. In fact,...they already have.

Dude you're talking to the same guy that said Lance was gonna have like 40 TDs and 5k total yards without seeing anything of substance from him. Now he thinks he's a lost cause based off one full start in a monsoon as the starter lol. Now it's back to thinking Jimmy is a rock star and everyone is clueless. There's no reasoning with a person like that.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
He has to take the team further than Jimmy took the team to prove his value in the long run.
Before any of that he needs to prove he can stay healthy for more than 2 games in a row.

Jimmy didn't "take" the team anywhere to begin with. You fudge up your demand instantly and so then the rest of the statement kinda becomes instant hot garbage.

But assuming you meant where Jimmy G ended up at on a great team that carried him through the playoffs? Well,...there are multiple HOF QBs that have never ascended to that level with a team.

I'd say he has to play much better than Jimmy G has ever played here for a sustained period to prove his value in the long run. I think that makes alot more sense since it's reality and all.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by NinerBuff:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Lance has 1 win in his career. He will be a 3rd year player next year. 1 win. That's it. We have been to multiple NFC Championship games and the Super Bowl with Jimmy G. He can't FINISH.

We agree Jimmy can't finish. What will it take for Lance to change your mind? A SB win? Better stats than Jimmy? More wins in a season than Jimmy?

He has to take the team further than Jimmy took the team to prove his value in the long run.
Before any of that he needs to prove he can stay healthy for more than 2 games in a row.

actually the defense needs to prove they can win.. cause it's not jimmys fault amirite

Don't you think Lance and Shanny will have something to prove? That was the point of it all.

I think they are up to it.

the point was something to prove..? the point made here is they have to get farther.. but we blamed the defense.. so it's up to the defense if we want fair comparisons

Woo is way out in the forest as usual. 6th and 7th round QB picks have "something to prove." The REASON is related to cause and effect. i.e.,...if they DO NOT prove X or Y, there is a high likelihood that they will instantly be cut and out of a job.

The 2 underlined parts that were linked together are I guess what Woo struggles the most with. He just throws claim after claim out there without any linkage to anything. Trey Lance is not currently on the chopping block.

He does the same thing with Shanahan and what he needs to prove "or else" all the time as if his last name is York and we just dont know the clout he has off of this forum with the 49ers.

What Lance needs to do is get healthy and play well. He was a 3rd overall pick that has proven (if nothing else) to look like a legit undeveloped NFL talent. Given that, the 49ers are going to play him and find out what he can be on this roster with these playmakers come hell or highwater.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
We gotta look elsewhere now imo. Bring back JG or a equivalent current starter type. TL can compete with that guy.

Kyle says just give him cancer right now, why don't you? Lol.

Compete? It's been shown that Lance is naturally a competitive person...so motivation is not an issue.

But beyond that....perhaps you can link us to the last Top 3 Pick QB that was never afforded a lengthy stretch of starts and only given a chance to "compete"??

I think you -- like many here -- might wanna separate what you want away from what is obviously destined to happen. Once you are able to do that,....reality's not that hard to stomach.

And on Jimmy G....did you happen to watch his play just a game and a half ago? Why would such a major reinvestment occur so suddenly? Simply because his last game with our new All Pro RB was marvelous?

Wouldn't saying "hey....let's see how Jimmy Performa these next 7 games or so" be a much more reasonable response from you than "bring Jimmy back"....?

There's a lot of football left to be played.

But barring some freak rehabilitation issues, the team is clearly 100% confident in moving to TL from JG. In fact,...they already have.

There is indeed still a lot of football to be played. Given Jimmy's history there's no guarantee that he won't get hurt again before the season is over. He's looking healthy so far but it was toward the end of the season last year that he hurt the thumb and then the shoulder. I hope he can stay healthy but I wouldn't bet on it.

Originally posted by NinerBuff:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Don't you think Lance and Shanny will have something to prove? That was the point of it all.

I think they are up to it.

My confidence meter was 80% of that to begin the season.

Now it's 40%, just due to the multitude of reasons for Lance missing most of the last three full seasons and the lost development.

Shanahan has to win a SB, either this team or with Lance. He also needs to improve his record, he's literally a 0.500 coach, and he's not held to that standard around the league.

Jimmy only returns with a SB victory, new SF contract, and some trade scenario for Lance.

Lance will be presumptive starter in 2023 (unless we win SB), and will only have one season to prove he's not worth replacing. Another injury would be very detrimental.

Agree

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by NinerBuff:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Lance has 1 win in his career. He will be a 3rd year player next year. 1 win. That's it. We have been to multiple NFC Championship games and the Super Bowl with Jimmy G. He can't FINISH.

We agree Jimmy can't finish. What will it take for Lance to change your mind? A SB win? Better stats than Jimmy? More wins in a season than Jimmy?

He has to take the team further than Jimmy took the team to prove his value in the long run.
Before any of that he needs to prove he can stay healthy for more than 2 games in a row.

actually the defense needs to prove they can win.. cause it's not jimmys fault amirite

Don't you think Lance and Shanny will have something to prove? That was the point of it all.

I think they are up to it.

the point was something to prove..? the point made here is they have to get farther.. but we blamed the defense.. so it's up to the defense if we want fair comparisons

We blamed a lot of different people and Fair is irrelevant.

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by NinerBuff:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Don't you think Lance and Shanny will have something to prove? That was the point of it all.

I think they are up to it.

My confidence meter was 80% of that to begin the season.

Now it's 40%, just due to the multitude of reasons for Lance missing most of the last three full seasons and the lost development.

Shanahan has to win a SB, either this team or with Lance. He also needs to improve his record, he's literally a 0.500 coach, and he's not held to that standard around the league.

Jimmy only returns with a SB victory, new SF contract, and some trade scenario for Lance.

Lance will be presumptive starter in 2023 (unless we win SB), and will only have one season to prove he's not worth replacing. Another injury would be very detrimental.

I've heard the bolded mentioned several times now and no one seems to want to explain their reasoning. This post is to the webzone not a meant to be a direct attack or assumption of your posts NinerButf.

How come some think Jimmy should only return if he wins the super bowl? That's the only variable that matters?

The problem I have with this is that it aligns with the weird Jimmy ideology that's so prevalent on this forum. It's this belief that if the team wins, you shouldn't discuss Jimmy's performance or you're labeled a hater or ungrateful. If the team loses, we'll be sure to blame other aspects of the team, in which the offensive line or Kyle Shanahan are the main scapegoats, if not blamed equally with Jimmy's performance, even more so.

It just seems like a 49ers fan, of all people, should be able to recognize how often this team has won without having to rely on elite QB play. We've won multiple playoff games with less than 12 completions. That's not Jimmy's fault by any means, but if any team could win it all without an amazing QB performance or even a poor QB performance, it's this team.

The main reason why this bugs me is that I could potentially see a scenario in which Jimmy looks like a better QB going into the offseason without even making the playoffs, than another scenario in which he wins it all. The way he performs is the only thing that should matter in regards to his future with the team. It just seems par for the course that people will declare a SB win to be the only factor in predicting the future of our QB room.

The context in which how this team wins football games and the context in which Jimmy potentially plays this postseason is apparently irrelevant to a lot of posters even though there's another scenario in which we win the super bowl with Jimmy, but Trey's still the better QB in 2023 and beyond.

Only in this 49erswebzone echo chamber could you potentially run a "who would you rather keep" poll about Jimmy vs Kyle Shanahan, in which 49ers fans would be surprisingly be split in their decisions and 99% of the outside world would be 100% on Kyle's side.

Only on the webzone could you praise Jimmy during a week the offense scored 14 points (Atlanta) and have still be called a hater. Which is exactly what happened to me.

The point is, we have to get back to valuing some semblance of objective analysis. There's going to be posters who blame Jimmy and/or Trey for everything and you should either block them or ignore them so that that doesn't mean we should abandon player evaluations. The act of winning the super bowl alone does not predict who's the best QB for this team going forward. Period.

Your point about analysis and feelings here is fair but the 49ers falling short or winning it all will set the media and fan narrative and that will drive the decision on QB regardless of analysis and feelings on this board.

Thinking the media and our fan base will determine what our franchise will do at QB 😆

this dude gonna make the decision for kyle and the FO 😂

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by NinerBuff:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
He hasn't shown anything to be better than Jimmy G. Nothing at all. He's not even as good as Justin Fields at this point.

We disagree, which isn't important.

For you, what would Lance need to do to change your mind?

His feelings for Lance clearly are not football-related. Might as leave it there.

"Clearly"?