Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by random49er:
Easiest thing in the world to do is make arguments on someone's ability when they are injured and can't prove otherwise.

Accomplishes absolutely nothing, however.

im going based on play if you are comparing to an injured Jimmy G which is what we had at the end of last season then yes you have an arguement but not compared against a healthy jimmy G

It's been repeated ad nauseum that we just dont have the evidence to say one way or another. IMO, he'd be set up by now to have a much better 2nd half of the season than Jimmy G, but that's just a guess on my part, because he hasn't played enough.

The 1st game was a rain storm and he was injured early in the 2nd while the offense was having success. So we just don't know. Jimmy can play like complete crap ala the KC game in a couple weeks and you can still say Jimmy's the better choice because the guy hasn't played, lol.

No substance at all there and just a waste of a topic. If he's your choice, that's fine.

Originally posted by random49er:
It's been repeated ad nauseum that we just dont have the evidence to say one way or another. IMO, he'd be set up by now to have a much better 2nd half of the season than Jimmy G, but that's just a guess on my part, because he hasn't played enough.

The 1st game was a rain storm and he was injured early in the 2nd while the offense was having success. So we just don't know. Jimmy can play like complete crap ala the KC game in a couple weeks and you can still say Jimmy's the better choice because the guy hasn't played, lol.

No substance at all there and just a waste of a topic. If he's your choice, that's fine.

i said i would rather have Trey start because he is the long term answer but i can also see that Jimmy gives us the best chance to win today

Also i dont think Jimmy played that bad against the chiefs apart from that horrible int. That was really bad defensive effort and we had so many offensive penalties just moving us back we actually moved the ball pretty well for the most part. Now i do agree he isnt good enough to overcome stuff like that and thats where i hope Trey can in the future but the D let us down that game

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by random49er:
Easiest thing in the world to do is make arguments on someone's ability when they are injured and can't prove otherwise.

Accomplishes absolutely nothing, however.

im going based on play if you are comparing to an injured Jimmy G which is what we had at the end of last season then yes you have an arguement but not compared against a healthy jimmy G

It's been repeated ad nauseum that we just dont have the evidence to say one way or another. IMO, he'd be set up by now to have a much better 2nd half of the season than Jimmy G, but that's just a guess on my part, because he hasn't played enough.

The 1st game was a rain storm and he was injured early in the 2nd while the offense was having success. So we just don't know. Jimmy can play like complete crap ala the KC game in a couple weeks and you can still say Jimmy's the better choice because the guy hasn't played, lol.

No substance at all there and just a waste of a topic. If he's your choice, that's fine.

Thats fine, we don't know how good he is. But that a massive letdown that we don't because he was not able to take the starting job in year 1 and was injured year 2. This was not worth 3 1sts and a 3rd. That can be true without knowing how good he is.

He's gonna figure it out we may have had ring 6 already and ring 7 with Parsons/Strange.. but I'm sure TL will figure it out and give us a couple rings down the road just gotta be patient

Like most 49er fans I'm bummed about Lance getting hurt so early and not being able to play and gain valuable experience. I still have high hopes for him to become our franchise QB for the next 8-10 years. However, I have to say that at this point Miami definitely got the better of that trade.

They used the 1st rounder (#12 overall) along with some other picks to trade up to #6 and get Jalen Whatley. Then they traded the another Niner first rounder and other picks to get Tyreek Hill. Finally they just traded the last 1st rounder for Bradley Chubb.

They ended up with 2 of the best and fastest receivers in the league and a good edge rusher. You have to give them credit for smart use of those picks.

One thing that drives me mad is the people who dont like Trey refuse to acknowledge that he could have been improving all season. Yeah, the Jimmy we have in week 9 is better than the Trey from week 1.

But its completely logical to assume that Trey in week 9 would be better than Trey from week 1 if he has been playing this whole time.

I dont know how good Trey will be. But guess what? No one on this board does, and many people are posting as if they do know. Which is ridiculous.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
One thing that drives me mad is the people who dont like Trey refuse to acknowledge that he could have been improving all season. Yeah, the Jimmy we have in week 9 is better than the Trey from week 1.

But its completely logical to assume that Trey in week 9 would be better than Trey from week 1 if he has been playing this whole time.

I dont know how good Trey will be. But guess what? No one on this board does, and many people are posting as if they do know. Which is ridiculous.

Who refuses to acknowledge that?

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
One thing that drives me mad is the people who dont like Trey refuse to acknowledge that he could have been improving all season. Yeah, the Jimmy we have in week 9 is better than the Trey from week 1.

But its completely logical to assume that Trey in week 9 would be better than Trey from week 1 if he has been playing this whole time.

I dont know how good Trey will be. But guess what? No one on this board does, and many people are posting as if they do know. Which is ridiculous.

Who refuses to acknowledge that?

I've seen some that have already labeled him a bust. Not many but a few.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I've seen some that have already labeled him a bust. Not many but a few.

I think Aaron Bank's improvement after having literally no play in first season shows that we should use patience with young draft picks.

But Lance now has an unfortunate injury history given how short his actual career is. In order for Lance to be the presumptive starter in '24, he must:

1. Take command this offseason, especially with CMC
2. Stay healthy all year (or at least play all but maybe one game)
3. Play approximately to the level of what Jimmy is playing now (2.75:1 TD-INT ratio, etc.) or better

If not, then it will be very difficult to make a positive determination on his long term value to the team, and then the magnitude of the trade will bear down on Shanahan and Lynch (and probably Lance too).

- this assumes Jimmy doesn't win the SB this year, which is the one outcome where bringing Jimmy back would be a consideration. In that case, we'ld probably keep both players, and Jimmy goes into '23 as the presumptive starter.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by ritz126:
Trey is not better than Jimmy as a QB right now with how raw Trey is. . . . .

Easiest thing in the world to do is make arguments on someone's ability when they are injured and can't prove otherwise.

Accomplishes absolutely nothing, however.

He hasn't shown anything to be better than Jimmy G. Nothing at all. He's not even as good as Justin Fields at this point.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
He hasn't shown anything to be better than Jimmy G. Nothing at all. He's not even as good as Justin Fields at this point.

We disagree, which isn't important.

For you, what would Lance need to do to change your mind?

Originally posted by NinerBuff:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I've seen some that have already labeled him a bust. Not many but a few.

I think Aaron Bank's improvement after having literally no play in first season shows that we should use patience with young draft picks.

But Lance now has an unfortunate injury history given how short his actual career is. In order for Lance to be the presumptive starter in '24, he must:

1. Take command this offseason, especially with CMC
2. Stay healthy all year (or at least play all but maybe one game)
3. Play approximately to the level of what Jimmy is playing now (2.75:1 TD-INT ratio, etc.) or better

If not, then it will be very difficult to make a positive determination on his long term value to the team, and then the magnitude of the trade will bear down on Shanahan and Lynch (and probably Lance too).

- this assumes Jimmy doesn't win the SB this year, which is the one outcome where bringing Jimmy back would be a consideration. In that case, we'ld probably keep both players, and Jimmy goes into '23 as the presumptive starter.

After seeing Rodgers and Brady's play this year, I doubt we'd go after either. So really, it's going to be one of the two guys mentioned as presumptive starter in '23, and potentially '24 if Lance accomplishes the above.

Originally posted by NinerBuff:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
He hasn't shown anything to be better than Jimmy G. Nothing at all. He's not even as good as Justin Fields at this point.

We disagree, which isn't important.

For you, what would Lance need to do to change your mind?

This is SD you are speaking with.

He would have to throw touchdowns and win games.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by NinerBuff:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
He hasn't shown anything to be better than Jimmy G. Nothing at all. He's not even as good as Justin Fields at this point.

We disagree, which isn't important.

For you, what would Lance need to do to change your mind?

This is SD you are speaking with.

He would have to throw touchdowns and win games.

Throw touchdowns and win games.

Plus stay healthy. Show some speed too. Because Fields does. But he doesn't.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by ritz126:
Trey is not better than Jimmy as a QB right now with how raw Trey is. . . . .

Easiest thing in the world to do is make arguments on someone's ability when they are injured and can't prove otherwise.

Accomplishes absolutely nothing, however.

He hasn't shown anything to be better than Jimmy G. Nothing at all. He's not even as good as Justin Fields at this point.

One is playing and the other isn't so that's a dumb statement. Fields is better than Montana right now too.