Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
I absolutely don't want him traded. We haven't even had chance to see him. I've seen plays that make me happy. I've seen some throws where I'm scratching my head as to how he possibly could have been drafted that high.

With that said, I have really nothing to go on. We haven't seen enough. The coaching staff however should have a good feeling as to how he's developed. I'm just here for the show.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
The guy I'm responding LITERALLY MENTIONED preseason.

Jimmy's 2021 Preseason stats:

10-16 105 yards, 0 TDs, 1 INT,

Trey's 2022 Preseason stats:
11-17 141 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT

And this guy going to say that TREY looked bad in the pre-season. Please. 2020 JIMMY LOOKED WORSE. PERIOD. FACT. ACCEPT OBSERVABLE REALITY. GET OVER IT.

If this guy can judge Lance by pre-season and a freaking monsoon (where Trey looked better than Jimmy did in his own monsoon against the Colts), then I can judge Jimmy by his 2021 pre-season.

WE. DO. NOT. HAVE. ENOUGH. INFORMATION. TO. JUDGE. TREY. LANCE.

PERIOD.

I just made a similar statement a few pages ago about lance. I'm just laughing at the grant cohns who judge anyone by preseason reports.

We can judge Jimmy by his regular and postseason history. We can't judge trey yet. But I'd be lying if I said I wasn't disappointed in how his career has started.

We do have enough to say we should not have used 3 1sts and a 3rd to acquire him. That should get you a 1st year starter, I don't care what planet you are from or what team you root for.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
But Josh allen this
But Josh Allen that...


Why dont you tell me the stats for akili smiths first 6 starts, jamarcus, tim couch, rick mirer, or every other first round bust. Stop using Josh Allen as a way of showing trey lance is going to succeed, It shows he has a .09% chance of succeeding. Its possible, but is it probable at this point?

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
But Josh allen this
But Josh Allen that...


Why dont you tell me the stats for akili smiths first 6 starts, jamarcus, tim couch, rick mirer, or every other first round bust. Stop using Josh Allen as a way of showing trey lance is going to succeed, It shows he has a .09% chance of succeeding. Its possible, but is it probable at this point?

Josh Allen started 27 games his first two seasons and threw for 30 TD's.

As of right now Trey Lance is not on the same level as Allen. And I don't see Trey Lance having the kind of success Allen is having, well not with the 9ers anyway since he'll be on his third year of his rookie contract.

5 games in three seasons, including college....yikes.

Originally posted by mattster03:
We do have enough to say we should not have used 3 1sts and a 3rd to acquire him. That should get you a 1st year starter, I don't care what planet you are from or what team you root for.

So much this.

I expected Andrew Luck-Joe Burrow type of caliber. Even Justin Herbert threw for 4,000 yards as a rookie. That's what you use three 1st round picks on.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by mattster03:
We do have enough to say we should not have used 3 1sts and a 3rd to acquire him. That should get you a 1st year starter, I don't care what planet you are from or what team you root for.

So much this.

I expected Andrew Luck-Joe Burrow type of caliber. Even Justin Herbert threw for 4,000 yards as a rookie. That's what you use three 1st round picks on.

coach disagrees

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by mattster03:
We do have enough to say we should not have used 3 1sts and a 3rd to acquire him. That should get you a 1st year starter, I don't care what planet you are from or what team you root for.

So much this.

I expected Andrew Luck-Joe Burrow type of caliber. Even Justin Herbert threw for 4,000 yards as a rookie. That's what you use three 1st round picks on.

coach disagrees

And no matter what I wouldn't expect him to say anything bad.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by mattster03:
We do have enough to say we should not have used 3 1sts and a 3rd to acquire him. That should get you a 1st year starter, I don't care what planet you are from or what team you root for.

So much this.

I expected Andrew Luck-Joe Burrow type of caliber. Even Justin Herbert threw for 4,000 yards as a rookie. That's what you use three 1st round picks on.

WTF are you talking about? You named 3 players that have logged time playing the position with a guy that hasn't played.

WE. DO. NOT. HAVE. ENOUGH. INFORMATION. TO. COMPARE. LANCE. TO. ESTABLISHED. PLAYERS.

And even then,...you never compared him to any of these guys coming in. The only one you compared him to in your comments after he was drafted -- and were hopeful of, not with set expectations -- was Josh Allen (go see pp. 115-116 in this thread).

And Josh Allen had 2,000 yards as a rookie,...not 4,000. 10 touchdowns, 52ish completion percentage. Lol.

And yes, you had known by then that we spent 3 1st for him before saying such.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
I absolutely don't want him traded. We haven't even had chance to see him. I've seen plays that make me happy. I've seen some throws where I'm scratching my head as to how he possibly could have been drafted that high.

With that said, I have really nothing to go on. We haven't seen enough. The coaching staff however should have a good feeling as to how he's developed. I'm just here for the show.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
The guy I'm responding LITERALLY MENTIONED preseason.

Jimmy's 2021 Preseason stats:

10-16 105 yards, 0 TDs, 1 INT,

Trey's 2022 Preseason stats:
11-17 141 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT

And this guy going to say that TREY looked bad in the pre-season. Please. 2020 JIMMY LOOKED WORSE. PERIOD. FACT. ACCEPT OBSERVABLE REALITY. GET OVER IT.

If this guy can judge Lance by pre-season and a freaking monsoon (where Trey looked better than Jimmy did in his own monsoon against the Colts), then I can judge Jimmy by his 2021 pre-season.

WE. DO. NOT. HAVE. ENOUGH. INFORMATION. TO. JUDGE. TREY. LANCE.

PERIOD.

I just made a similar statement a few pages ago about lance. I'm just laughing at the grant cohns who judge anyone by preseason reports.

We can judge Jimmy by his regular and postseason history. We can't judge trey yet. But I'd be lying if I said I wasn't disappointed in how his career has started.

Lol well then. He brought up preseason, so hence why I responded as such. The point I was making is that that isn't a reliable indicator. So if you are making that same argument, then there's no disagreement on this one particular issue.

Originally posted by mattster03:
We do have enough to say we should not have used 3 1sts and a 3rd to acquire him. That should get you a 1st year starter, I don't care what planet you are from or what team you root for.

No we don't. We don't know that until he gets to the point that he won't improve much anymore. Let's say he ends up being elite for ten years, starting four years after he was drafted. I'd trade two entire drafts for that, let alone three firsts and a third.

it's 2022, normalize QBs in the NFL running the "Lamar power read"

JT O sullivan said it's the best play in the NFL right now. IDK entirely all the details of what that means as a play concept.

but i can't wait to see my QB run getting chunk yards with his feet and running it down their throats like a fullback baby!

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Allen finished his rookie year with 18 TDs and 12 INTs...pretty good.

you're obviously including rushing tds

passing he was 10 tds - 12 ints 52% comp

that's ass

You guys always take rushing TDs away from dual threats or just completely disregard them lol. It's part of their game. I don't care if he drives down the field and runs it in or throws it in, they are both TD drives.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Wrong. He became the starter based on his ability to run and throw deep. Stop. Jimmy did not beat Trey out, nor would he have in any open competition, because Shanahan planned from day one to play 11 on 11 football.

Based on TC reports and the way he looked in preseason I do not believe he would have beat Jimmy out in a legit competition. The Trey Lance move was because of Jimmys contract. He's not good enough to justify losing other key pieces. It was either keep Jimmy or lose other more important players.

There was no competition. Trey Lance was handed the job

THat's beacuse you've never read a preseason report on JIMMY, who looked WORSE in 2020 and 2019 (infamous 5 INTS in a row ring a bell?).

Mahomes has had a bad practice too. The problem with Lance is that he had like 3 good practices all TC. We don't have much to go off with Lance. He's barely played, including college, so I'm just using what's there

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

I absolutely don't want him traded. We haven't even had chance to see him. I've seen plays that make me happy. I've seen some throws where I'm scratching my head as to how he possibly could have been drafted that high.

With that said, I have really nothing to go on. We haven't seen enough. The coaching staff however should have a good feeling as to how he's developed. I'm just here for the show.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

The guy I'm responding LITERALLY MENTIONED preseason.

Jimmy's 2021 Preseason stats:

10-16 105 yards, 0 TDs, 1 INT,

Trey's 2022 Preseason stats:
11-17 141 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT

And this guy going to say that TREY looked bad in the pre-season. Please. 2020 JIMMY LOOKED WORSE. PERIOD. FACT. ACCEPT OBSERVABLE REALITY. GET OVER IT.

If this guy can judge Lance by pre-season and a freaking monsoon (where Trey looked better than Jimmy did in his own monsoon against the Colts), then I can judge Jimmy by his 2021 pre-season.

WE. DO. NOT. HAVE. ENOUGH. INFORMATION. TO. JUDGE. TREY. LANCE.

PERIOD.

I just made a similar statement a few pages ago about lance. I'm just laughing at the grant cohns who judge anyone by preseason reports.

We can judge Jimmy by his regular and postseason history. We can't judge trey yet. But I'd be lying if I said I wasn't disappointed in how his career has started.

Lol well then. He brought up preseason, so hence why I responded as such. The point I was making is that that isn't a reliable indicator. So if you are making that same argument, then there's no disagreement on this one particular issue.

I've never judged anybody on preseason, but like I said there's not much else to go off with Lance, not even in college. He had a bad TC and it continued into games. He hasn't been good so far, not saying he will never be, but the arrow just isn't pointing up at this point man

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Wrong. He became the starter based on his ability to run and throw deep. Stop. Jimmy did not beat Trey out, nor would he have in any open competition, because Shanahan planned from day one to play 11 on 11 football.

Based on TC reports and the way he looked in preseason I do not believe he would have beat Jimmy out in a legit competition. The Trey Lance move was because of Jimmys contract. He's not good enough to justify losing other key pieces. It was either keep Jimmy or lose other more important players.

There was no competition. Trey Lance was handed the job

THat's beacuse you've never read a preseason report on JIMMY, who looked WORSE in 2020 and 2019 (infamous 5 INTS in a row ring a bell?).

Mahomes has had a bad practice too. The problem with Lance is that he had like 3 good practices all TC. We don't have much to go off with Lance. He's barely played, including college, so I'm just using what's there

In 2021, Garoppolo's sum of practices were every bit as bad. Cohn actually kept track of the statistics. Same for 2019. THE 49ERS DEFENSE is why ALL QBs struggle in camp.