Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by Joecool:
Since we have nothing else to talk about, let's create a problem that may or may not exist. In this image, Lance is doing exactly what Chris Simms complained about, which is relying on his arm and not his legs/body. Look at the torque Jimmy has at just about the same stage in the throw as Lance. Lance's arm is up too high and his upper body weight is forward as well, which is an indicator of throwing mostly with the arm.

You can't possibly break down someone's throwing motion based on one picture with no context.

Originally posted by a49erfan77:

Originally posted by Joecool:
Since we have nothing else to talk about, let's create a problem that may or may not exist. In this image, Lance is doing exactly what Chris Simms complained about, which is relying on his arm and not his legs/body. Look at the torque Jimmy has at just about the same stage in the throw as Lance. Lance's arm is up too high and his upper body weight is forward as well, which is an indicator of throwing mostly with the arm.

You can't possibly break down someone's throwing motion based on one picture with no context.

Yeah but Chris Simms.

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by a49erfan77:

Originally posted by Joecool:
Since we have nothing else to talk about, let's create a problem that may or may not exist. In this image, Lance is doing exactly what Chris Simms complained about, which is relying on his arm and not his legs/body. Look at the torque Jimmy has at just about the same stage in the throw as Lance. Lance's arm is up too high and his upper body weight is forward as well, which is an indicator of throwing mostly with the arm.

You can't possibly break down someone's throwing motion based on one picture with no context.

Yeah but Chris Simms.

I'll worry about what Chris Simms thinks when he is part of the 49ers coaching staff.

Originally posted by a49erfan77:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by a49erfan77:

Originally posted by Joecool:
Since we have nothing else to talk about, let's create a problem that may or may not exist. In this image, Lance is doing exactly what Chris Simms complained about, which is relying on his arm and not his legs/body. Look at the torque Jimmy has at just about the same stage in the throw as Lance. Lance's arm is up too high and his upper body weight is forward as well, which is an indicator of throwing mostly with the arm.

You can't possibly break down someone's throwing motion based on one picture with no context.

Yeah but Chris Simms.

I'll worry about what Chris Simms thinks when he is part of the 49ers coaching staff.

I'll worry about the 49ers coaching staff when Chris Simms is part of the 49ers coaching staff

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by a49erfan77:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by a49erfan77:

Originally posted by Joecool:
Since we have nothing else to talk about, let's create a problem that may or may not exist. In this image, Lance is doing exactly what Chris Simms complained about, which is relying on his arm and not his legs/body. Look at the torque Jimmy has at just about the same stage in the throw as Lance. Lance's arm is up too high and his upper body weight is forward as well, which is an indicator of throwing mostly with the arm.

You can't possibly break down someone's throwing motion based on one picture with no context.

Yeah but Chris Simms.

I'll worry about what Chris Simms thinks when he is part of the 49ers coaching staff.

I'll worry about the 49ers coaching staff when Chris Simms is part of the 49ers coaching staff

Originally posted by a49erfan77:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by a49erfan77:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by a49erfan77:

Originally posted by Joecool:
Since we have nothing else to talk about, let's create a problem that may or may not exist. In this image, Lance is doing exactly what Chris Simms complained about, which is relying on his arm and not his legs/body. Look at the torque Jimmy has at just about the same stage in the throw as Lance. Lance's arm is up too high and his upper body weight is forward as well, which is an indicator of throwing mostly with the arm.

You can't possibly break down someone's throwing motion based on one picture with no context.

Yeah but Chris Simms.

I'll worry about what Chris Simms thinks when he is part of the 49ers coaching staff.

I'll worry about the 49ers coaching staff when Chris Simms is part of the 49ers coaching staff

Well, Lance's main flaw was his accuracy and that comes with throwing mostly with arm along with the windmill motion as opposed to the style QBs like Jimmy and Zach Wilson have, which is using body torque and wrist in cohesion with the waist where the arm doesn't get too disconnected with the body. For example, Jimmy can throw all arm and no legs but his body always goes first and doesn't get too far away from that back leg.

It's just one image and I think Lance has worked on this a lot in the past year. Think we will see a much improved throwing motion with Lance as compared to his 2019 film.

Originally posted by GoldenFortyNiner:
Jimmy the guy who has had one above average season will ball out like a man possessed?

Good enough to be a Pro Bowl selection. But yeah, let's call it "above average".

Originally posted by BleedsRedNGold:

Originally posted by GoldenFortyNiner:
Jimmy the guy who has had one above average season will ball out like a man possessed?

Good enough to be a Pro Bowl selection. But yeah, let's call it "above average".

Those 5 games in 2017 were "just above average" also.

Jimmy "Average" Garoppolo just doesn't flow.

Oh look, another image where his elbow is ahead of a body that's not fully rotated. #highelbow windmill rotation.

My son does this and we are trying to get him to keep his elbow down (lower than the ball) on the load so that it rises as his body torque pulls it rather than pulling back and lifting up with his elbow on his load. He has similar accuracy issues where the ball is high.

Originally posted by Joecool:
Oh look, another image where his elbow is ahead of a body that's not fully rotated. #highelbow windmill rotation.

My son does this and we are trying to get him to keep his elbow down (lower than the ball) on the load so that it rises as his body torque pulls it rather than pulling back and lifting up with his elbow on his load. He has similar accuracy issues where the ball is high.

Originally posted by BleedsRedNGold:
Good enough to be a Pro Bowl selection. But yeah, let's call it "above average".

He was an alternate. One year after Trubisky was an alternate

Originally posted by Joecool:
Since we have nothing else to talk about, let's create a problem that may or may not exist. In this image, Lance is doing exactly what Chris Simms complained about, which is relying on his arm and not his legs/body. Look at the torque Jimmy has at just about the same stage in the throw as Lance. Lance's arm is up too high and his upper body weight is forward as well, which is an indicator of throwing mostly with the arm.

I noticed the high release point/arm getting away from the body in a different photo, but I didn't want to make a stink out of it. It's one of the first things that stood out to me while watching his tape, and then was echod by other people as well. It doesn't just affect the accuracy but also zaps some of his arm strength.

That's one reason why I believe he could have elite arm strength with a few adjustments. Unfortunately, mechanics are a pain in the ass.

If he didn't fix his mechanics with the whole year off and in draft prep, I doubt they get fixed

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Joecool:
Since we have nothing else to talk about, let's create a problem that may or may not exist. In this image, Lance is doing exactly what Chris Simms complained about, which is relying on his arm and not his legs/body. Look at the torque Jimmy has at just about the same stage in the throw as Lance. Lance's arm is up too high and his upper body weight is forward as well, which is an indicator of throwing mostly with the arm.

Good problem to have given what Lance is able to do with that arm so far. If they get his mechanics right and he starts getting more of his legs/body into it his arm would be even more special.

Probably why he is missing high. He's throwing windmill style instead of loop style.

How can you make any assessment from a still photo?

Originally posted by Joecool:
Probably why he is missing high. He's throwing windmill style instead of loop style.

Quick email Kyle shanahan your assessment!