Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by maxsmart:

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by maxsmart:

Originally posted by gold49digger:
Got into a "debate" on Facebook about trey lance. Apparently someone thought that was by far the biggest reach and he has a 5th round grade on him...

That's ridiculous, he's at least a mid 1st rounder
But trading up to #3 giving up three first rd picks is a hell of a big projection for a small school 20 y/o QB with only about 300 passes against weak competition. Pat Mahomes and Deshaun Watson played at major big-time schools against great players and had >1200+ passes over 3 full years and went #10 & #12. So it will be considered a reach unless Lance turns out to be excellent

(Sigh). Draft positions are not absolutes. They depend on supply and demand. It is that simple. The options were, stay put and possibly end up with Jones or trade up and get the player both Shanahan and Lynch wanted. All draft picks are gambles.

Had we stayed at #12 the zone would have been complaining that they had no guts, and if/when Jones busted would have been calling for them to be sacked. Actually both halves of this sentence had already started. Personally I preferred the trade up to secure a potentially top qb to staying put and taking a potentially average qb.

Of course it was possibly a reach. All picks are, in reality. Look at Solomon Thomas. Highly rated and considered a good pick. Didn't make it so it was a reach.

(sigh) ... of course nobody will know for a year or 3, but it clearly was a hell of a projection to trade up to #3 for a guy with such a thin resume. It's a historic move one way or the other. It will be a historically great move if he's great and a historically bad move if he's not very good.

Definitely, is a big risk if it doesn't pan out - but, it needed to be done. I think it'll work out - can't wait to see how it plays out.

Originally posted by gold49digger:
Got into a "debate" on Facebook about trey lance. Apparently someone thought that was by far the biggest reach and he has a 5th round grade on him...

Well that's a debate not worth having lol. Facebook is the worst SM platform too

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by gold49digger:
Got into a "debate" on Facebook about trey lance. Apparently someone thought that was by far the biggest reach and he has a 5th round grade on him...

Well that's a debate not worth having lol. Facebook is the worst SM platform too

The Colts had him as one of their 2 or 3 special players in this draft that you wouldn't pass on. 5th round grade????🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😆😆😆😆😆

Originally posted by maxsmart:
(sigh) ... of course nobody will know for a year or 3, but it clearly was a hell of a projection to trade up to #3 for a guy with such a thin resume. It's a historic move one way or the other. It will be a historically great move if he's great and a historically bad move if he's not very good.

We've all talked about the risk in taking Lance but I'm pretty sure the Niners front office spent a lot more time looking at film, watching his workouts and talking to him and his coaches than any of us did. They took him so they obviously don't think it's as much of a risk as some of us do. I always fall back on the fact that they do what they do for a living. They're the professionals. They have more info at their disposal. We're just fans. They still don't get it right all the time but that's part of the game.

Originally posted by maxsmart:

Originally posted by gold49digger:
Got into a "debate" on Facebook about trey lance. Apparently someone thought that was by far the biggest reach and he has a 5th round grade on him...

That's ridiculous, he's a legit mid first rounder
But trading up to #3 giving up three first rd picks is a hell of a big projection/gamble for a small school 20 y/o QB with only about 300 passes against weak competition. Pat Mahomes and Deshaun Watson played at major big-time schools against great players and had >1200+ passes over 3 full years and went #10 & #12. So it will be considered a major historic reach unless Lance turns out to be excellent. And if he does excel, it will be considered a historically great draft pick trade

Kyle falls in love with players and MUST HAVE THEM!!! He fell in love and traded up to the 3rd for CJ Beathard who was projected in rd 6. He fell in love and traded up to the 4th for Joe Williams who most teams didn't have on their boards. He gets tunnel vision once he falls for a player. Hopefully this time is the charm and he hits the jackpot with Trey Lance.

Given the alternatives on the board, I am excited with the team's final choice. Lance was, I believe the right pick. They swung for the fences which they had to do; for someone who pretty-much most talent evaluators believe is a potentially generational talent. Now we have to wait and see if it pays dividends.

But everything you say is unqualifiedly accurate. Especially the assessment about KS, who is aided and abetted by his crony lapdog GM. I've never liked the hiring of the latter. Kyle is like a kid in a candy store. What a rookie, immature head coach needs is a mature, experienced talent evaluator, negotiator and organizer to provide a steadying influence. Kyle was basically to a brilliant OC with no experience in running an organization. Instead the owner's son hires a stuffed shirt with even less skills in running organizations, negotiating and evaluating talent to provide the guidance; a yes man. To be fair, many of the qualified candidates who were approached turned down the offer; the Niners were in disarray and most of the quality guys didn't want to have anything to do with the place after the Baalke, Tomsula, Kelly debacle.

So now it's amateur's hour. IMO it's not so much WHO they've drafted or acquired even, but HOW they drafted, acquired and compensated them; it's been absolutely cringe-worthy. Without Paraag in the FO managing the finances, the whole operation would be a shambles. As time passes Kyle will eventually assimilate the lessons learned and grow into the complete package. Hopefully, if he's still here, the 49ers will be the ones reaping the benefits.

Originally posted by Rsrkshn:

Given the alternatives on the board, I am excited with the team's final choice. Lance was, I believe the right pick. They swung for the fences which they had to do; for someone who pretty-much most talent evaluators believe is a potentially generational talent. Now we have to wait and see if it pays dividends.

But everything you say is unqualifiedly accurate. Especially the assessment about KS, who is aided and abetted by his crony lapdog GM. I've never liked the hiring of the latter. Kyle is like a kid in a candy store. What a rookie, immature head coach needs is a mature, experienced talent evaluator, negotiator and organizer to provide a steadying influence. Kyle was basically to a brilliant OC with no experience in running an organization. Instead the owner's son hires a stuffed shirt with even less skills in running organizations, negotiating and evaluating talent to provide the guidance; a yes man. To be fair, many of the qualified candidates who were approached turned down the offer; the Niners were in disarray and most of the quality guys didn't want to have anything to do with the place after the Baalke, Tomsula, Kelly debacle.

So now it's amateur's hour. IMO it's not so much WHO they've drafted or acquired even, but HOW they drafted, acquired and compensated them; it's been absolutely cringe-worthy. Without Paraag in the FO managing the finances, the whole operation would be a shambles. As time passes Kyle will eventually assimilate the lessons learned and grow into the complete package. Hopefully, if he's still here, the 49ers will be the ones reaping the benefits.

So that is how the team has been rebuilt in just a few years, from one of the weakest rosters in the NFL to one of the strongest, under the supervision of an amateur who is a stuffed shirt with little talent and no organisational or nagotiating skills.

That makes sense.

Originally posted by Rsrkshn:
Given the alternatives on the board, I am excited with the team's final choice. Lance was, I believe the right pick. They swung for the fences which they had to do; for someone who pretty-much most talent evaluators believe is a potentially generational talent. Now we have to wait and see if it pays dividends.

But everything you say is unqualifiedly accurate. Especially the assessment about KS, who is aided and abetted by his crony lapdog GM. I've never liked the hiring of the latter. Kyle is like a kid in a candy store. What a rookie, immature head coach needs is a mature, experienced talent evaluator, negotiator and organizer to provide a steadying influence. Kyle was basically to a brilliant OC with no experience in running an organization. Instead the owner's son hires a stuffed shirt with even less skills in running organizations, negotiating and evaluating talent to provide the guidance; a yes man. To be fair, many of the qualified candidates who were approached turned down the offer; the Niners were in disarray and most of the quality guys didn't want to have anything to do with the place after the Baalke, Tomsula, Kelly debacle.

So now it's amateur's hour. IMO it's not so much WHO they've drafted or acquired even, but HOW they drafted, acquired and compensated them; it's been absolutely cringe-worthy. Without Paraag in the FO managing the finances, the whole operation would be a shambles. As time passes Kyle will eventually assimilate the lessons learned and grow into the complete package. Hopefully, if he's still here, the 49ers will be the ones reaping the benefits.

I'm not sure why you think Lynch has no idea how to evaluate talent. You don't think playing all those years in the NFL and then broadcasting games on TV give him any weight? How do you evaluate talent? Watching it on TV? It's true it's his first time as GM but every GM has a first time. That doesn't mean he can't do the job. They've done an excellent job of not having leaks since this current group took over. That was a real issue with the prior regime. The draft and free agent acquisitions have been pretty god so far. Some misses and some real finds. That's true with most teams. There are probably only a handful of good, experienced GMs and they aren't usually available. When you're successful you tend to stay put. GMs come and go just like coaches in the NFL. There are at least 4 or 5 new ones every year.

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by Rsrkshn:
Given the alternatives on the board, I am excited with the team's final choice. Lance was, I believe the right pick. They swung for the fences which they had to do; for someone who pretty-much most talent evaluators believe is a potentially generational talent. Now we have to wait and see if it pays dividends.

But everything you say is unqualifiedly accurate. Especially the assessment about KS, who is aided and abetted by his crony lapdog GM. I've never liked the hiring of the latter. Kyle is like a kid in a candy store. What a rookie, immature head coach needs is a mature, experienced talent evaluator, negotiator and organizer to provide a steadying influence. Kyle was basically to a brilliant OC with no experience in running an organization. Instead the owner's son hires a stuffed shirt with even less skills in running organizations, negotiating and evaluating talent to provide the guidance; a yes man. To be fair, many of the qualified candidates who were approached turned down the offer; the Niners were in disarray and most of the quality guys didn't want to have anything to do with the place after the Baalke, Tomsula, Kelly debacle.

So now it's amateur's hour. IMO it's not so much WHO they've drafted or acquired even, but HOW they drafted, acquired and compensated them; it's been absolutely cringe-worthy. Without Paraag in the FO managing the finances, the whole operation would be a shambles. As time passes Kyle will eventually assimilate the lessons learned and grow into the complete package. Hopefully, if he's still here, the 49ers will be the ones reaping the benefits.

So that is how the team has been rebuilt in just a few years, from one of the weakest rosters in the NFL to one of the strongest, under the supervision of an amateur who is a stuffed shirt with little talent and no organisational or nagotiating skills.

That makes sense.

Originally posted by maxsmart:
That's ridiculous, he's a legit mid first rounder
But trading up to #3 giving up three first rd picks is a hell of a big projection/gamble for a small school 20 y/o QB with only about 300 passes against weak competition. Pat Mahomes and Deshaun Watson played at major big-time schools against great players and had >1200+ passes over 3 full years and went #10 & #12. So it will be considered a major historic reach unless Lance turns out to be excellent. And if he does excel, it will be considered a historically great draft pick trade

Kyle falls in love with players and MUST HAVE THEM!!! He fell in love and traded up to the 3rd for CJ Beathard who was projected in rd 6. He fell in love and traded up to the 4th for Joe Williams who most teams didn't have on their boards. He gets tunnel vision once he falls for a player. Hopefully this time is the charm and he hits the jackpot with Trey Lance.

The consensus at the time was absolutely that taking Mahomes at 10 was way too high, and if they were trading up to 10 they should have at least drafted Watson.

Same thing with Josh Allen, and how two second rounders was way to much to trade up a couple spots and how stupid the Bills were for taking him over Rosen.

QB is the one position where over paying for who you think is the correct player is the right decision.

Originally posted by eastie:

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by Rsrkshn:
Given the alternatives on the board, I am excited with the team's final choice. Lance was, I believe the right pick. They swung for the fences which they had to do; for someone who pretty-much most talent evaluators believe is a potentially generational talent. Now we have to wait and see if it pays dividends.

But everything you say is unqualifiedly accurate. Especially the assessment about KS, who is aided and abetted by his crony lapdog GM. I've never liked the hiring of the latter. Kyle is like a kid in a candy store. What a rookie, immature head coach needs is a mature, experienced talent evaluator, negotiator and organizer to provide a steadying influence. Kyle was basically to a brilliant OC with no experience in running an organization. Instead the owner's son hires a stuffed shirt with even less skills in running organizations, negotiating and evaluating talent to provide the guidance; a yes man. To be fair, many of the qualified candidates who were approached turned down the offer; the Niners were in disarray and most of the quality guys didn't want to have anything to do with the place after the Baalke, Tomsula, Kelly debacle.

So now it's amateur's hour. IMO it's not so much WHO they've drafted or acquired even, but HOW they drafted, acquired and compensated them; it's been absolutely cringe-worthy. Without Paraag in the FO managing the finances, the whole operation would be a shambles. As time passes Kyle will eventually assimilate the lessons learned and grow into the complete package. Hopefully, if he's still here, the 49ers will be the ones reaping the benefits.

So that is how the team has been rebuilt in just a few years, from one of the weakest rosters in the NFL to one of the strongest, under the supervision of an amateur who is a stuffed shirt with little talent and no organisational or nagotiating skills.

That makes sense.

Originally posted by LilLeeroy:

Originally posted by maxsmart:
That's ridiculous, he's a legit mid first rounder
But trading up to #3 giving up three first rd picks is a hell of a big projection/gamble for a small school 20 y/o QB with only about 300 passes against weak competition. Pat Mahomes and Deshaun Watson played at major big-time schools against great players and had >1200+ passes over 3 full years and went #10 & #12. So it will be considered a major historic reach unless Lance turns out to be excellent. And if he does excel, it will be considered a historically great draft pick trade

Kyle falls in love with players and MUST HAVE THEM!!! He fell in love and traded up to the 3rd for CJ Beathard who was projected in rd 6. He fell in love and traded up to the 4th for Joe Williams who most teams didn't have on their boards. He gets tunnel vision once he falls for a player. Hopefully this time is the charm and he hits the jackpot with Trey Lance.

The consensus at the time was absolutely that taking Mahomes at 10 was way too high, and if they were trading up to 10 they should have at least drafted Watson.

Same thing with Josh Allen, and how two second rounders was way to much to trade up a couple spots and how stupid the Bills were for taking him over Rosen.

QB is the one position where over paying for who you think is the correct player is the right decision.

Agree. And who better to assess QB value than the guy who turned an undrafted QB into the all time passing yardage leader second only to Mahomes in NFL history, in his first 16 games as a rookie. Imagine what Kyle can do with a player that has first round arm and intangibles talent.

I still can't believe we got the kid.

Originally posted by LilLeeroy:

Originally posted by maxsmart:
That's ridiculous, he's a legit mid first rounder
But trading up to #3 giving up three first rd picks is a hell of a big projection/gamble for a small school 20 y/o QB with only about 300 passes against weak competition. Pat Mahomes and Deshaun Watson played at major big-time schools against great players and had >1200+ passes over 3 full years and went #10 & #12. So it will be considered a major historic reach unless Lance turns out to be excellent. And if he does excel, it will be considered a historically great draft pick trade

Kyle falls in love with players and MUST HAVE THEM!!! He fell in love and traded up to the 3rd for CJ Beathard who was projected in rd 6. He fell in love and traded up to the 4th for Joe Williams who most teams didn't have on their boards. He gets tunnel vision once he falls for a player. Hopefully this time is the charm and he hits the jackpot with Trey Lance.

The consensus at the time was absolutely that taking Mahomes at 10 was way too high, and if they were trading up to 10 they should have at least drafted Watson.

Same thing with Josh Allen, and how two second rounders was way to much to trade up a couple spots and how stupid the Bills were for taking him over Rosen.

QB is the one position where over paying for who you think is the correct player is the right decision.

Yeah QB has become such a high impact and high price position that if you think you can get a legit starter with top talent then the cost doesn't matter if you actually get that guy.

The trade will be a great one if Lance is a star. If he sucks then it won't matter because it likely means we're going into another rebuild with different coaches and front office shakeups.

Originally posted by Rsrkshn:

Originally posted by maxsmart:

Originally posted by gold49digger:

Got into a "debate" on Facebook about trey lance. Apparently someone thought that was by far the biggest reach and he has a 5th round grade on him...

That's ridiculous, he's a legit mid first rounder
But trading up to #3 giving up three first rd picks is a hell of a big projection/gamble for a small school 20 y/o QB with only about 300 passes against weak competition. Pat Mahomes and Deshaun Watson played at major big-time schools against great players and had >1200+ passes over 3 full years and went #10 & #12. So it will be considered a major historic reach unless Lance turns out to be excellent. And if he does excel, it will be considered a historically great draft pick trade

Kyle falls in love with players and MUST HAVE THEM!!! He fell in love and traded up to the 3rd for CJ Beathard who was projected in rd 6. He fell in love and traded up to the 4th for Joe Williams who most teams didn't have on their boards. He gets tunnel vision once he falls for a player. Hopefully this time is the charm and he hits the jackpot with Trey Lance.

Given the alternatives on the board, I am excited with the team's final choice. Lance was, I believe the right pick. They swung for the fences which they had to do; for someone who pretty-much most talent evaluators believe is a potentially generational talent. Now we have to wait and see if it pays dividends.

But everything you say is unqualifiedly accurate. Especially the assessment about KS, who is aided and abetted by his crony lapdog GM. I've never liked the hiring of the latter. Kyle is like a kid in a candy store. What a rookie, immature head coach needs is a mature, experienced talent evaluator, negotiator and organizer to provide a steadying influence. Kyle was basically to a brilliant OC with no experience in running an organization. Instead the owner's son hires a stuffed shirt with even less skills in running organizations, negotiating and evaluating talent to provide the guidance; a yes man. To be fair, many of the qualified candidates who were approached turned down the offer; the Niners were in disarray and most of the quality guys didn't want to have anything to do with the place after the Baalke, Tomsula, Kelly debacle.

So now it's amateur's hour. IMO it's not so much WHO they've drafted or acquired even, but HOW they drafted, acquired and compensated them; it's been absolutely cringe-worthy. Without Paraag in the FO managing the finances, the whole operation would be a shambles. As time passes Kyle will eventually assimilate the lessons learned and grow into the complete package. Hopefully, if he's still here, the 49ers will be the ones reaping the benefits.

I agree, they Yorks have done a horrible job for most of their ownership tenure in hiring good management (see list below). They really needed and still need an experienced good John McVay type exec to provide wisdom. But the funny/scary truth is that it's "amateur's hour" almost everywhere nowadays. Just look at our incompetent president, senators and congress critters, news people, teachers, etc. Most are weak, many are idiots, some are downright evil. They get by because they are good liars and BS artists.
Look at our last five GM's. They were all very very poor GM's:
Carmen Policy
Dwight Clark
Terry Donahue
Scot McCloughan
Trent Baalke

And it's like that in throughout many parts of society and on many teams in the NFL. Luckily that should give us a chance to win if we hire the right men. Lynch and Shannahan started out doing poorly in drafting/trading (talent eval and player valuation); but they have improved considerably. They still tend to 'fall in love' and over pay for players they want, but they seem to be learning and hopefully continue to improve. This year should tell a lot.

Originally posted by genus49:

Yeah QB has become such a high impact and high price position that if you think you can get a legit starter with top talent then the cost doesn't matter if you actually get that guy.

The trade will be a great one if Lance is a star. If he sucks then it won't matter because it likely means we're going into another rebuild with different coaches and front office shakeups.

True star QB's are worth the price, and always have been.

But if Lance sucks giving up those picks will indeed matter greatly because we have SB aspirations now, even with JG starting.

The problem is that the draft is a crap shoot and a gamble, so if you overpay for a player and it doesn't work out then you are screwed.
Trey Lance seems like a great guy and I advocated his drafting, but the Trey Lance trade is definitely a major projection/gamble with such a thin college resume. I will be very impressed and vigorously applaud Shanny-Lynch if they turn out to be right.