Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

its really going to be tough to keep him off the field even during the first game. detroit's garbage ass team sacked jimmy 6 times 2 years ago and pretty sure defense might be a little bit better than back then. good thing is trey should be ready to go. simply the threat of a running QB will make his team near impossible to consistently stop esp with shanahan's genius playcalling.

Originally posted by jimmy3233:
its really going to be tough to keep him off the field even during the first game. detroit's garbage ass team sacked jimmy 6 times 2 years ago and pretty sure defense might be a little bit better than back then. good thing is trey should be ready to go. simply the threat of a running QB will make his team near impossible to consistently stop esp with shanahan's genius playcalling.

Every team is going to have to game plan for a dual threat offense as well with trey always being an option to enter the game in spots

Go, Trey, go!

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 49ERnation:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
When the KC defense started putting more pressure on Jimmy, he wasn't able to respond by rolling away from it. That's when the playmaker QBs like Mahomes and Wilson can make a difference. Even then, if the D is applying enough pressure and the DBs are covering everyone there isn't much any QB can do. I don't know if having a more mobile QB would have made a difference but it may have. It's no secret that it's easier to pressure a pocket passer than one that's a threat to run.

Being a playmaker QB did nothing for mahomes in last years super bowl though. If anything he hurt his team more by running side to side and backwards 30 yards before the play resulted in either a super minimal gain or a negative play. Moral of the story, if your pass rush is elite the QB may not even matter on the other side

Homes had 3 plamaking dropped TD passes.. homes got it done with the worst line in SB history. His receivers couldn't help him out

The throws he attempted out there were crazy and he's probably the only guy who makes them...but he did not get it done.

He played poorly, just like he played poorly against us outside of a few plays where the refs pretended holding on the DL isn't a thing anymore.

You can appreciate Mahomes' talent without overlooking his faults. You can't blame WRs for dropping crazy ass passes which had no business of being there.

It's also funny that Jimmy got knocked around behind our line and he missed reads and it was all him at fault by many. Mahomes makes a few fancy incompletions and apparently he got it done??

They kicked 3 FGs for crying out loud. What are we doing here?

Unable to get the ball to your playmakers is the same as your playmakers dropping TD passes ? Lol

if jimmy hit sanders on that deep pass and sanders dropped it… a different tune would be played here

Save the Mahomes worship. There were a couple of drops. There were plenty of other bad plays and yet people like you are giving him a free pass because of those couple of cool attempts where the ball was ALMOST a possible catch.

Mahomes played poorly in both SBs he went to. A couple of splash plays, especially when they're incomplete don't mean he did his job.

Originally posted by jimmy3233:
its really going to be tough to keep him off the field even during the first game. detroit's garbage ass team sacked jimmy 6 times 2 years ago and pretty sure defense might be a little bit better than back then. good thing is trey should be ready to go. simply the threat of a running QB will make his team near impossible to consistently stop esp with shanahan's genius playcalling.

We gonna pretend like our team isn't different? Jimmy got sacked so much in that game cuz of coverage sacks. Not their scary pass rush.

Originally posted by 9moon:
BUT that's it..... in this offense, KS designs plays that are meant for that initial target to be open that when they are not, the QB are forced to find a target that may not be there ... and if that QB isn't mobile, they end up eating grass.

Unlike other offenses that are design for the QB to read where the ball should go... and this is the reason why JG's skill has regressed..

welcome to the nfl

Originally posted by mayo49:
Go, Trey, go!

Yeeeee

Originally posted by 9moon:
BUT that's it..... in this offense, KS designs plays that are meant for that initial target to be open that when they are not, the QB are forced to find a target that may not be there ... and if that QB isn't mobile, they end up eating grass.

Unlike other offenses that are design for the QB to read where the ball should go... and this is the reason why JG's skill has regressed..

Scheming a guy open doesn't mean no one else will be running a serious route. Are you serious right now? Do you understand route combinations and how they are used to attack certain coverages? The qb decides which route combo he likes based on alignment presnap. So on most plays that are well designed with good recievers the first read will be open. Are you suggesting the qb should pass on the first read even if he's open to check the whole field to see if maybe we got someone else that might be open?

If the first read is open that means:
A) The offense is well designed to attack the defense
B) The qb has enough knowledge of NFL defenses to know what they are running despite any disguises
C) Our recievers are running their routes well and gaining separation

I don't know what your obsession with a qb going through 3 or 4 progressions every down is. Also you are heavily implying that it is all Lance can handle on the NFL level and none of us know that either way. This hate for Shanahan is palpable. Saying his offense is a gimmick when he is often touted as a genius and one of the best, smartest young coaches is laughable. When versions of his offense have been successful for years and is becoming the new thing teams want when looking for a new staff. Some people won't be happy unless you win a superbowl every year in fantasy land.

I think you start Lance when he's ready. Hopefully we can trade Jimmy before the deadline. Starting Lance off with a limited version of the playbook DOES NOT mean he's only going to run RPOs or read options. It means they will hold off on all the fancy choreography plays. It means they will use only the concepts that he is used to and ran in college. The point many are trying to make is that he ran a bunch of NFL style route combos and concepts in college. Many that we use here.

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by 9moon:
BUT that's it..... in this offense, KS designs plays that are meant for that initial target to be open that when they are not, the QB are forced to find a target that may not be there ... and if that QB isn't mobile, they end up eating grass.

Unlike other offenses that are design for the QB to read where the ball should go... and this is the reason why JG's skill has regressed..

welcome to the nfl

This. I'm not surprised moon doesn't understand this though. Guys like Brady and Rodgers also have a very identical % to Jimmy when it comes to throwing to the first read. As most QBs do.

If the first guy isn't open, it's up to the QB to go through some progressions and find the open guy. Moon thinks that only the first read guy runs a route and then everyone else just stands there.

Originally posted by jvangeystel:
Scheming a guy open doesn't mean no one else will be running a serious route. Are you serious right now? Do you understand route combinations and how they are used to attack certain coverages? The qb decides which route combo he likes based on alignment presnap. So on most plays that are well designed with good recievers the first read will be open. Are you suggesting the qb should pass on the first read even if he's open to check the whole field to see if maybe we got someone else that might be open?

If the first read is open that means:
A) The offense is well designed to attack the defense
B) The qb has enough knowledge of NFL defenses to know what they are running despite any disguises
C) Our recievers are running their routes well and gaining separation

I don't know what your obsession with a qb going through 3 or 4 progressions every down is. Also you are heavily implying that it is all Lance can handle on the NFL level and none of us know that either way. This hate for Shanahan is palpable. Saying his offense is a gimmick when he is often touted as a genius and one of the best, smartest young coaches is laughable. When versions of his offense have been successful for years and is becoming the new thing teams want when looking for a new staff. Some people won't be happy unless you win a superbowl every year in fantasy land.

I think you start Lance when he's ready. Hopefully we can trade Jimmy before the deadline. Starting Lance off with a limited version of the playbook DOES NOT mean he's only going to run RPOs or read options. It means they will hold off on all the fancy choreography plays. It means they will use only the concepts that he is used to and ran in college. The point many are trying to make is that he ran a bunch of NFL style route combos and concepts in college. Many that we use here.

He read what thl and johnydel said before and completely took it to another level. That's moon for you.

Over the top to get a reaction.

No offense has their QB drop back and just read the field to find the best matchup.

There are designed plays with first reads for every QB. Kyle just does a terrific job of designing plays where the first read is typically wide open so there isn't a lot of mental development needed by the QB.

However if that first read is covered or sniffed out there are always options for the QB to find other guys...whether they can or if those guys are open is another story.

Thinking Kyle is going to draw up plays where it's only first read or take off running by the QB is absurd. There will always be another route to look at. And I'm confident Lance will be able to go through his progressions and make the reads on whether he has another route to take advantage of passing it or taking off running if an open lane is there.

Moon has Shanny confused with the Harbaugh/Roman offense.

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by 9moon:
.... that's why KS offense is a GIMMICK.... once that initial target is covered, you see our QBs get into trouble..

When I said that he'll be introduced to the league the way Michael Vick was, it meant that he will only be asked to look for THAT target... it has nothing to do with his intelligence, I wasn't insulting THE FUTURE ..

It's far from a gimmick, we Just need a QB who knows how to go through his progressions and read the D. Having protection helps too, Hopefully we get enough of that with our new draft picks.

BUT that's it..... in this offense, KS designs plays that are meant for that initial target to be open that when they are not, the QB are forced to find a target that may not be there ... and if that QB isn't mobile, they end up eating grass.

Unlike other offenses that are design for the QB to read where the ball should go... and this is the reason why JG's skill has regressed..

What a silly take, gimmick hahaha

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by 9moon:
.... that's why KS offense is a GIMMICK.... once that initial target is covered, you see our QBs get into trouble..

When I said that he'll be introduced to the league the way Michael Vick was, it meant that he will only be asked to look for THAT target... it has nothing to do with his intelligence, I wasn't insulting THE FUTURE ..

It's far from a gimmick, we Just need a QB who knows how to go through his progressions and read the D. Having protection helps too, Hopefully we get enough of that with our new draft picks.

BUT that's it..... in this offense, KS designs plays that are meant for that initial target to be open that when they are not, the QB are forced to find a target that may not be there ... and if that QB isn't mobile, they end up eating grass.

Unlike other offenses that are design for the QB to read where the ball should go... and this is the reason why JG's skill has regressed..

Worst take I've seen in here in a long time.

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by 9moon:
.... that's why KS offense is a GIMMICK.... once that initial target is covered, you see our QBs get into trouble..

When I said that he'll be introduced to the league the way Michael Vick was, it meant that he will only be asked to look for THAT target... it has nothing to do with his intelligence, I wasn't insulting THE FUTURE ..

It's far from a gimmick, we Just need a QB who knows how to go through his progressions and read the D. Having protection helps too, Hopefully we get enough of that with our new draft picks.

BUT that's it..... in this offense, KS designs plays that are meant for that initial target to be open that when they are not, the QB are forced to find a target that may not be there ... and if that QB isn't mobile, they end up eating grass.

Unlike other offenses that are design for the QB to read where the ball should go... and this is the reason why JG's skill has regressed..

Trey specializes in Mahommes like rollout 50-55 yard dime throws. It's part of his game. If Kyle runs the Jimmy concrete legs, p***y headed I don't trust my knee offense, HE WILL BE FIRED. Has to be a more mobile qb'd version of the Matt Ryan O. If it means bringing in another good sized deep threat, so be it. That rookie mini camp throw exposition was a little disconcerting. That was an AlexGaroppolo throw session. Looked like Secretariat running 20 yards with the reigns pulled back to his ass. 😬😬

Originally posted by DASeiler49:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by 9moon:
.... that's why KS offense is a GIMMICK.... once that initial target is covered, you see our QBs get into trouble..

When I said that he'll be introduced to the league the way Michael Vick was, it meant that he will only be asked to look for THAT target... it has nothing to do with his intelligence, I wasn't insulting THE FUTURE ..

It's far from a gimmick, we Just need a QB who knows how to go through his progressions and read the D. Having protection helps too, Hopefully we get enough of that with our new draft picks.

BUT that's it..... in this offense, KS designs plays that are meant for that initial target to be open that when they are not, the QB are forced to find a target that may not be there ... and if that QB isn't mobile, they end up eating grass.

Unlike other offenses that are design for the QB to read where the ball should go... and this is the reason why JG's skill has regressed..

Worst take I've seen in here in a long time.

danggggg !!! I just caught all KS's fishes, now they all in ONE pond !!!