Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by jvangeystel:
I think the reason that most passing plays go to the first read is because the QB already knows what defense is out there and they know what route is going to come open based off of the alignment pre-snap. That's a good thing, I don't understand why people harp on this one read crap if it's successful. The only downside is if the qb makes his decision pre-snap, the reciever is covered and the qb throws it anyways. Shanny will beat any of that out of Trey early and he already doesn't have a history of making those bone headed plays.
Trey had only the one year of starts. So the issue most have is number of starts. He also had something like 7 months to work on and refine his mechanics. So it seems to me he needs to learn the playbook and adjust to NFL speed now. I was originally of the let's sit him regardless mindset. However I've moved towards letting him play as soon as he earns the job. Unless it's after week 8. I think if he doesn't earn the job by the trade deadline we are completely handicapping all leverage to trade Jimmy if he gets benched. We really need to trade him by the deadline. Maybe for a 3rd if necessary. If it's a 4th or later than we keep him for the year. Either way I'm rooting for Jimmy to just kill it this year and have Trey beat him out anyways. That's best case scenario.
Kyle's offense is one of the most sophisticated and complex, no way will Trey (in my opinion) be as good as Jimmy is, in one year. I'm not saying he *can't* do it -- Kyle already said he has a chance - but a slim one in year one. The NFL defenses are much faster (obviously) than college - that's the first hurdle, then windows are much smaller, that's the second hurdle, and finally the red zone scoring - that's where you have to throw in half the time you have in the middle of the field. Then you have playoff speed which is much faster than regular season speed. Then you get to the super bowl, where one play is the difference between winning and losing. The Great Dan Mario couldn't do it, and as much as I think Trey has talent -- that's a very tall order to accomplish in one year.
If Trey and Jimmy are equally proficient in this offense - my choice would be Jimmy because of his experience. For Trey to beat out Jimmy, in my eyes -- Trey has to beat Jimmy on 3rd down conversions via passing, and being able to beat the blitz via the pass as good or better than Jimmy. If Trey was as proficient on converting 3rd downs via passing and dealing with the blitz via passing versus Jimmy, then I'd be OK with Trey starting because the mobility and arm talent will be just icing on the cake. (and offset any lack of experience)
Finally, someone that understands what Jimmy is great at. The big reason we win so much with Jimmy at QB is because of his efficiency in managing the game and keeping drives alive. In 2019 - he was like top 2 (I think only behind mahommes or mahommes was slightly behind him) in third down conversions etc. that keeps the defense fresh and the opponents defense on the field.
when mullens or beathard was in - the offense was super choppy and inconsistent cause those guys couldn't operate the offense smoothly to stay on the field.
Jimmy isn't overall elite but he is elite at a handful of really important metrics to a teams success. If he could stay healthy - he would be a really good starting QB for most teams.
Agree, I think Jimmy is elite at the short and medium range game. The longer passes, he needs to get his lower body mechanics tighter, but he's good at those too. The *biggest* reason ShanaLynch drafted Trey is Jimmy's inability to stay on the field, not because Jimmy is a crappy passer.
Having said that, its ironic that John Elway with his legendary arm, started winning super bowls when he had a great run game and threw the ball basically between the 5 and 15 yard range with Kyle's dad. Only in the forth QTR did you see him uncork some rocket passes that easily went 70 yards
when his team was behind. When Steve Young won Lombardi #5, Steve hardly ever scrambled, he usually chucked it out of bounds and lived for another play, and he could do that because he had by then developed into an elite passer.
Trey can become a legend here too, but you got to give him the chance to grow into it, Walsh was very patient with one-read-and-run Steve, before he got the monkey of his back.
Now young skywalker....you will die!