Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

I can't believe we're still arguing about the semantics of the trade more than 15 months after it happened.

At least its got us to drop 'arm fatigue'. For the time being.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
I can't believe we're still arguing about the semantics of the trade more than 15 months after it happened.

Especially when it's not even debatable lol

Lol this thread always amazes me.

Trey Lance is gonna be a damn f**king good Franchise QB - so IDGAF nor does it matter if we traded 2 or 3 FRPs for him.

Can't wait for Lance to play and end all these dumb debates once and for all.

Originally posted by 4ML:
Lol this thread always amazes me.

Trey Lance is gonna be a damn f**king good Franchise QB - so IDGAF nor does it matter if we traded 2 or 3 FRPs for him.

Can't wait for Lance to play and end all these dumb debates once and for all.

Were folks debating whether Trey is worth those draft picks? I must have missed that. But yes, The debate is stupid.

Originally posted by Wolf_Packer_53:

Originally posted by Ottawa49er:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
TECHNICALLY we did trade three for lance

We TRADED 12th pick in 2021
We TRADED 2022 first rounder
We TRADED 2023 first rounder

We got Lance.

think of it this way. If the Dolphins picked trey at #3 and THEN we traded the 2021, 2022 and 2023 picks for him we would end up with the same result.

We USED 3 1sts to acquire Lance we swapped 12 for 3, we traded two future 1sts.

You are correct NY. We traded 2022 1st and 2023 1st (plus a 3rd rounder) in order to move up from 12 to 3. i.e. the "cost" of moving from 12 to 3 was two firsts and a 3rd, not three first's. We definitely "used" 3 first's. No idea why so many people can't grasp that concept. Maybe it's just semantics?

https://www.nfl.com/news/kyle-shanahan-explains-49ers-decision-to-trade-up-to-no-3-to-take-trey-lance

Nope. Read second paragraph from NFL.com.

"The Niners essentially placed their future in Lance's hands, sending three first-round picks to Miami for the right to select the dynamic, dual-threat quarterback. San Francisco doesn't have a first-round pick until 2024 and is also out a third-rounder in 2022."

Sent, traded, swapped, used, whatever other adjective you want to toss out there, 3 of them were utilized.

>>>>Sent, traded, swapped, used, whatever other adjective you want to toss out there, 3 of them were utilized.

Correct, but not relevant since no-one is debating that. Of course we used three first's. The cost of moving up nine spots in the draft ( increasing the value of our existing 1st for a better 1st ) was two additional first's and a 3rd. We used all of them for Lance. Or if you prefer the way it was written by NFL.com, we sent three firsts AND GOT A HIGHER FIRST RETURNED BACK, and all three firsts were used in the pick. Net cost to move up was 2 firsts and a 3rd.....total picks used was 3 first's and a 3rd. It's not rocket science.

Love reading about former 49ers legends helping Trey, from Steve mentoring to Jerry running routes for him these are the stories we need more of, less negativity.

So arm fatigue came back up again on 49ers offseason bingo?

Go get'em - Trey.

Originally posted by NinerBuff:
So arm fatigue came back up again on 49ers offseason bingo?

Duse, the second he has hands on hip...

Fandoms just become so hyper-focused on their respective teams that they lose sight of the fact that every single GM, coach, QB, and player in general has flaws.

It's not that they don't make mistakes that aren't worthy of criticism it's just that we as fans tend to get way too nit-picky and if something isn't perfect it's terrible and the worst.

Lance doesn't run the ball like Lamar Jackson or an RB so he's a bust. Doesn't throw a deep pass that perfectly lands in the receivers hands in stride every time so he's a bust. Doesn't perfectly place the ball at a perfect spot every single throw so he's a bust.

Lance has traits that excite you and traits that legitimately concern you. Every draft pick is a projection especially at QB and Lance is an even bigger projection because he's just plain underdeveloped compared to your typical QB out of college so you really are gambling on how much room for improvement there is.

The Lance discussion to me boils down to how much can he clean up his mechanics over the next couple of seasons because he pretty much has everything else you could want in a QB especially if he does have elite intelligence and processing speed.

So far the little we've heard about him during the offseason work it sounds as if he made some positive strides in regards to his mechanics but we need to see him when the bullets are flying and bodies are around him to see how much of his work stuck.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
I agree with you. But we also traded three for lance if we are being true to what happened. A swap is essentially a trade.

a swap is a swap...they gave up a 3rd, and 2 1sts to go get him. They used 3 1sts and a 3rd to acquire Lance. They didn't give up 3 1sts to trade up and give him.

Originally posted by Ottawa49er:

Originally posted by Wolf_Packer_53:

Originally posted by Ottawa49er:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
TECHNICALLY we did trade three for lance

We TRADED 12th pick in 2021
We TRADED 2022 first rounder
We TRADED 2023 first rounder

We got Lance.

think of it this way. If the Dolphins picked trey at #3 and THEN we traded the 2021, 2022 and 2023 picks for him we would end up with the same result.

We USED 3 1sts to acquire Lance we swapped 12 for 3, we traded two future 1sts.

You are correct NY. We traded 2022 1st and 2023 1st (plus a 3rd rounder) in order to move up from 12 to 3. i.e. the "cost" of moving from 12 to 3 was two firsts and a 3rd, not three first's. We definitely "used" 3 first's. No idea why so many people can't grasp that concept. Maybe it's just semantics?

https://www.nfl.com/news/kyle-shanahan-explains-49ers-decision-to-trade-up-to-no-3-to-take-trey-lance

Nope. Read second paragraph from NFL.com.

"The Niners essentially placed their future in Lance's hands, sending three first-round picks to Miami for the right to select the dynamic, dual-threat quarterback. San Francisco doesn't have a first-round pick until 2024 and is also out a third-rounder in 2022."

Sent, traded, swapped, used, whatever other adjective you want to toss out there, 3 of them were utilized.

>>>>Sent, traded, swapped, used, whatever other adjective you want to toss out there, 3 of them were utilized.

Correct, but not relevant since no-one is debating that. Of course we used three first's. The cost of moving up nine spots in the draft ( increasing the value of our existing 1st for a better 1st ) was two additional first's and a 3rd. We used all of them for Lance. Or if you prefer the way it was written by NFL.com, we sent three firsts AND GOT A HIGHER FIRST RETURNED BACK, and all three firsts were used in the pick. Net cost to move up was 2 firsts and a 3rd.....total picks used was 3 first's and a 3rd. It's not rocket science.

This is the difference net cost (which was 2 1sts and a 3rd ) vs what was spent in total. They're two different things. end of the day they spent up to get him because they believed he could be an elite QB.

Originally posted by Wolf_Packer_53:
We did not make the 12th pick in the 2021 NFL draft, it was part of the TRADE transaction to get Lance. Simple. As. That.

That is totally irrelevant given that we swapped spots. We moved up at the cost of two firsts. We still had our 2021 first.

If you gave someone $60 and they immediately gave you back $20, you wouldn't say you gave away $60. You'd say you gave away $40. How is this difficult for some people?

The important thing is the draft picks we lost. The 2 first rounders are both likely to be late first round picks. This year was the 29th pick. Next year will probably be similar. These aren't big time players who are probably going to be pro bowlers for years. Many players at the end of the first round aren't rated much higher than guy sin the 2nd round. If we were giving up top 1o picks in both years it would be different.