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Originally posted by YACBros85:
They paid draft capital (currency) for those players.

Right, which is different than a trade. They traded two firsts and a third to move up 9 slots in order to spend their pick on Trey Lance. They didn't trade that pick for Trey Lance,
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Originally posted by Chance:
Originally posted by TheGore49er:
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Originally posted by VA9erfan:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by VA9erfan:
I thought the trade was a SWAP of first rounders in 2021 and two ADDITIONAL first rounders: 2022 and 2023. Therefore, we had a first round pick in 2021 and technically didn't give three first rounders, but two, to draft Trey. Am I missing something here?

We still spent 3x 1st's anyway you look at it.

Spent three in that one was used on Trey and two were needed to move up, yes. However, the pundits that state "the Niners traded three first rounders for Lance" is a bit ambiguous. My opinion...and we all know what opinions are like.
TECHNICALLY we did trade three for lance

We TRADED 12th pick in 2021
We TRADED 2022 first rounder
We TRADED 2023 first rounder

We got Lance.

think of it this way. If the Dolphins picked trey at #3 and THEN we traded the 2021, 2022 and 2023 picks for him we would end up with the same result.

That's not how things work. Did the Bears trade a first round pick and 2 3rd round picks to trade up 1 spot to take Trubisky?

I went through this with that moron Matt Miller.

49ers had a 1st round pick in 2021
After the trade they still had a 1st round pick in 2021

They didn't have a first in 2022
They wont have a first in 2023
They will have a first in 2024

Thats a loss of 2 first round picks plus the 3rd rounder comp pick in 2022 they gave up as part of those.

You don't say a team gave up a 1st round pick on someone when they simply select the player at their pick. You give up what the extra compensation is to get you to move up. It may be semantics to some but it does matter.

It's insane that people can't understand this lol.

I thought it was pretty cool that we traded our 2nd round pick for Drake Jackson this year.

Originally posted by Wolf_Packer_53:
Originally posted by TheGore49er:
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Originally posted by VA9erfan:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by VA9erfan:
I thought the trade was a SWAP of first rounders in 2021 and two ADDITIONAL first rounders: 2022 and 2023. Therefore, we had a first round pick in 2021 and technically didn't give three first rounders, but two, to draft Trey. Am I missing something here?

We still spent 3x 1st's anyway you look at it.

Spent three in that one was used on Trey and two were needed to move up, yes. However, the pundits that state "the Niners traded three first rounders for Lance" is a bit ambiguous. My opinion...and we all know what opinions are like.
TECHNICALLY we did trade three for lance

We TRADED 12th pick in 2021
We TRADED 2022 first rounder
We TRADED 2023 first rounder

We got Lance.

think of it this way. If the Dolphins picked trey at #3 and THEN we traded the 2021, 2022 and 2023 picks for him we would end up with the same result.

That's not how things work. Did the Bears trade a first round pick and 2 3rd round picks to trade up 1 spot to take Trubisky?

I went through this with that moron Matt Miller.

49ers had a 1st round pick in 2021
After the trade they still had a 1st round pick in 2021

They didn't have a first in 2022
They wont have a first in 2023
They will have a first in 2024

Thats a loss of 2 first round picks plus the 3rd rounder comp pick in 2022 they gave up as part of those.

You don't say a team gave up a 1st round pick on someone when they simply select the player at their pick. You give up what the extra compensation is to get you to move up. It may be semantics to some but it does matter.

It's insane that people can't understand this lol.
Niners traded 3 1st rounders and a 3rd for Lance, not that hard to understand lol

This is correct. People are over complicating it and trying to minimize what we did.
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Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Originally posted by Wolf_Packer_53:
Originally posted by TheGore49er:
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Originally posted by VA9erfan:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by VA9erfan:
I thought the trade was a SWAP of first rounders in 2021 and two ADDITIONAL first rounders: 2022 and 2023. Therefore, we had a first round pick in 2021 and technically didn't give three first rounders, but two, to draft Trey. Am I missing something here?

We still spent 3x 1st's anyway you look at it.

Spent three in that one was used on Trey and two were needed to move up, yes. However, the pundits that state "the Niners traded three first rounders for Lance" is a bit ambiguous. My opinion...and we all know what opinions are like.
TECHNICALLY we did trade three for lance

We TRADED 12th pick in 2021
We TRADED 2022 first rounder
We TRADED 2023 first rounder

We got Lance.

think of it this way. If the Dolphins picked trey at #3 and THEN we traded the 2021, 2022 and 2023 picks for him we would end up with the same result.

That's not how things work. Did the Bears trade a first round pick and 2 3rd round picks to trade up 1 spot to take Trubisky?

I went through this with that moron Matt Miller.

49ers had a 1st round pick in 2021
After the trade they still had a 1st round pick in 2021

They didn't have a first in 2022
They wont have a first in 2023
They will have a first in 2024

Thats a loss of 2 first round picks plus the 3rd rounder comp pick in 2022 they gave up as part of those.

You don't say a team gave up a 1st round pick on someone when they simply select the player at their pick. You give up what the extra compensation is to get you to move up. It may be semantics to some but it does matter.

It's insane that people can't understand this lol.
Niners traded 3 1st rounders and a 3rd for Lance, not that hard to understand lol

This is correct. People are over complicating it and trying to minimize what we did.

Yup.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by JoseCortez:
TECHNICALLY we did trade three for lance

We TRADED 12th pick in 2021
We TRADED 2022 first rounder
We TRADED 2023 first rounder

We got Lance.

think of it this way. If the Dolphins picked trey at #3 and THEN we traded the 2021, 2022 and 2023 picks for him we would end up with the same result.

We USED 3 1sts to acquire Lance we swapped 12 for 3, we traded two future 1sts.

You are correct NY. We traded 2022 1st and 2023 1st (plus a 3rd rounder) in order to move up from 12 to 3. i.e. the "cost" of moving from 12 to 3 was two firsts and a 3rd, not three first's. We definitely "used" 3 first's. No idea why so many people can't grasp that concept. Maybe it's just semantics?
Originally posted by Ottawa49er:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by JoseCortez:
TECHNICALLY we did trade three for lance

We TRADED 12th pick in 2021
We TRADED 2022 first rounder
We TRADED 2023 first rounder

We got Lance.

think of it this way. If the Dolphins picked trey at #3 and THEN we traded the 2021, 2022 and 2023 picks for him we would end up with the same result.

We USED 3 1sts to acquire Lance we swapped 12 for 3, we traded two future 1sts.

You are correct NY. We traded 2022 1st and 2023 1st (plus a 3rd rounder) in order to move up from 12 to 3. i.e. the "cost" of moving from 12 to 3 was two firsts and a 3rd, not three first's. We definitely "used" 3 first's. No idea why so many people can't grasp that concept. Maybe it's just semantics?
https://www.nfl.com/news/kyle-shanahan-explains-49ers-decision-to-trade-up-to-no-3-to-take-trey-lance

Nope. Read second paragraph from NFL.com.

"The Niners essentially placed their future in Lance's hands, sending three first-round picks to Miami for the right to select the dynamic, dual-threat quarterback. San Francisco doesn't have a first-round pick until 2024 and is also out a third-rounder in 2022."

Sent, traded, swapped, used, whatever other adjective you want to toss out there, 3 of them were utilized.
Originally posted by Ottawa49er:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by JoseCortez:
TECHNICALLY we did trade three for lance

We TRADED 12th pick in 2021
We TRADED 2022 first rounder
We TRADED 2023 first rounder

We got Lance.

think of it this way. If the Dolphins picked trey at #3 and THEN we traded the 2021, 2022 and 2023 picks for him we would end up with the same result.

We USED 3 1sts to acquire Lance we swapped 12 for 3, we traded two future 1sts.

You are correct NY. We traded 2022 1st and 2023 1st (plus a 3rd rounder) in order to move up from 12 to 3. i.e. the "cost" of moving from 12 to 3 was two firsts and a 3rd, not three first's. We definitely "used" 3 first's. No idea why so many people can't grasp that concept. Maybe it's just semantics?

Some people are just plain stupid
We did not make the 12th pick in the 2021 NFL draft, it was part of the TRADE transaction to get Lance. Simple. As. That.
Whatever we did, we are committed. Time to get it on and make it work.
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Originally posted by BOI49er:
Whatever we did, we are committed. Time to get it on and make it work.

Quit arguing you guys.
Originally posted by mayo49:
Originally posted by BOI49er:
Whatever we did, we are committed. Time to get it on and make it work.

Quit arguing you guys.
Lots of times I think that is all that is accomplished here 😂
This feels like bodybuildingforums debating how many days there are in a week.
Originally posted by Sickaa:
Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Originally posted by Wolf_Packer_53:
Originally posted by TheGore49er:
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Originally posted by VA9erfan:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by VA9erfan:
I thought the trade was a SWAP of first rounders in 2021 and two ADDITIONAL first rounders: 2022 and 2023. Therefore, we had a first round pick in 2021 and technically didn't give three first rounders, but two, to draft Trey. Am I missing something here?

We still spent 3x 1st's anyway you look at it.

Spent three in that one was used on Trey and two were needed to move up, yes. However, the pundits that state "the Niners traded three first rounders for Lance" is a bit ambiguous. My opinion...and we all know what opinions are like.
TECHNICALLY we did trade three for lance

We TRADED 12th pick in 2021
We TRADED 2022 first rounder
We TRADED 2023 first rounder

We got Lance.

think of it this way. If the Dolphins picked trey at #3 and THEN we traded the 2021, 2022 and 2023 picks for him we would end up with the same result.

That's not how things work. Did the Bears trade a first round pick and 2 3rd round picks to trade up 1 spot to take Trubisky?

I went through this with that moron Matt Miller.

49ers had a 1st round pick in 2021
After the trade they still had a 1st round pick in 2021

They didn't have a first in 2022
They wont have a first in 2023
They will have a first in 2024

Thats a loss of 2 first round picks plus the 3rd rounder comp pick in 2022 they gave up as part of those.

You don't say a team gave up a 1st round pick on someone when they simply select the player at their pick. You give up what the extra compensation is to get you to move up. It may be semantics to some but it does matter.

It's insane that people can't understand this lol.
Niners traded 3 1st rounders and a 3rd for Lance, not that hard to understand lol

This is correct. People are over complicating it and trying to minimize what we did.

Yup.

But they still had a first-round pick. If they traded their first rounder, how did they manage t get a pick in round one? The truth is they didn't trade three first round picks. They traded two firsts and a third while exchanging their first round position for a more advantageous first round position. Is this complicated? Not if you don't have an agenda on the topic.
Originally posted by Digger:
This feels like bodybuildingforums debating how many days there are in a week.

I can relate to that.
Originally posted by JoseCortez:
This is correct. People are over complicating it and trying to minimize what we did.

This is the reason why the point is worth making. The '3 picks' fallacy does overstate what we did.
We still spent an enormous amount, just not as much as people with a limited grasp of addition and subtraction think.
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