Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by RackofRibs49:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 9erguy:
Would like to be a fly on the wall when Shanahan and his buddy Simms are talking about Lance

Simms is weird with this stuff...Dude loved Jackson who played in a spread offense that was chalk full of half field reads and one and go stuff. His accuracy was not as good as Lance's (and neither were elite there). He loved him because he was an elite athlete that had potential.

He loved Josh Allen who was pure speculation/potential coming out of Wyoming. He wasn't close to accurate and had all kinds of mechanical issues. His last season was not good in college. Simms like him because he had a rocket arm and was big lol. I would like Simms more if he stayed consistent with what he values in QB prospects.

Trey Lance is nowhere near the explosive athlete as either of those guys to be fair. I guess Simms thinks the running part of their game made them better. Simms could also just be pulling the Florio "say anything outrageous for clicks" b******t.

I don't think that's an accurate statement.

He's not as explosive an athlete as Lamar but he's more athletic than Allen. He just doesn't have as big of an arm as Josh.

Both look much more explosive running the ball. I think folks that think Trey is going to be an explosive runner are in for a real disappointment. Trey is not a good runner, looks like a slow Kaepernick running the ball.

Good. We need a guy that is mobile enough that he uses his legs as the last resort to extend plays not constantly breaks play calls.

If anything, I hope he realizes he cannot outrun NFL LBs so he doesn't use his scrambling as a crutch so often. Make the reads and get rid of the ball. Plan B is to check it down. Plan C is to use his legs to extend the play. The sooner he realizes that his best option is to throw the ball, the quicker he will develop that aspect of of his game. If he finds a bunch of early success running around like a chicken and making off script plays, the more he will rely on that early in his career. Scramble drill plays make for nice highlights, but doesn't make for a developed pocket passer. The other factor is whether this OL can protect him adequately so that he can actually remain in the pocket.

The sooner he can move off this mentality, the better. That's when the growth will happen.

Trey on his own game: 1:45 mark

Trey Lance talks #HOUvsSF prep. pic.twitter.com/vFN72gjGRp

— San Francisco 49ers (@49ers) December 31, 2021

"I appreciate when I can play how I play and be off schedule."

Nah, that's part of what makes him special. A ton of young QBs succeed wary in their careers because they CAN play off schedule and make s**t happen. Learning the nuances of playing in the pocket takes time.

Exactly. Lamar, Mahomes and Murray are all great examples of that.

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

I, for one, am excited by the prospect of George Kittle getting to freelance in a Trey Lance-led offense pic.twitter.com/bKwvJw7sWf

— Mina Kimes (@minakimes) May 23, 2022

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by genus49:
What's a slow Kaepernick???

There is no way Josh Allen is more explosive running the ball. Allen isn't Tom Brady but he's not explosive. He's got decent speed but most of his runs are due to his size than his speed. Very similar to Trey in that regard and as Trey gets used to NFL speed he'll be much more confident running the ball.

Not sure how you can watch both guys and think Lance isn't more explosive than Josh.

Allen is extremely explosive considering his size. Go watch his games last year vs pats

I've watched plenty of Josh Allen games, thanks for the recommendation.

And what I see is an athletic big dude who isn't more explosive than Trey Lance. His size has nothing to do with it. Is he more explosive than Big Ben? Yes. Is he more explosive than Lamar Jackson because he's more explosive considering his size? No.

And he's not more explosive than Lance. Compare their scrambles even or runs when they make the decision to run. I feel like people's judgement is clouded because he was stopped on some runs.

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:
Exactly. Lamar, Mahomes and Murray are all great examples of that.

Patrick Mahomes on early season struggles 2021:

"You're the hardest critic on yourself," said Mahomes. "What I learned is I have to be patient. I wanted to be this high-flying quarterback, throwing all these long touchdowns like I've done in the early part of my career. Defenses weren't letting me do that, and I learned to be patient. Just take what's there and try to find success in other ways.

The Texas Tech product said that being patient is easier said than done. He sometimes struggles to find a balance between patience and "Mahomes Magic."

"It's still hard," he said. "I still battle with the coaches about it. I try to find the best way to help our team out. There are times where I still get a little too aggressive, a little too freelance, a little too scramble outside the pocket. There are times where I don't take what's there. It's about finding the fine line."

Patrick Mahomes has made many amazing plays in his career going off-script, but he admitted he has to learn how to reel it in sometimes.

While Mahomes wasn't the biggest reason Kansas City was losing games, he also didn't help the cause. It looked like he was playing hero ball, trying to force the big play. Mahomes' poor decision-making hurt the team early on

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by RackofRibs49:
Good. We need a guy that is mobile enough that he uses his legs as the last resort to extend plays not constantly breaks play calls.

This is right. However, I was hoping for someone more of the steve young type runner, not the most athletic, but who knows when to escape, and finds the lanes, and was somewhat elusive. I dont know what it was last year, but trey's running was just disapointing. Getting stuffed at the goalline, being tackled short of first yard markers, not getting any movement after the initial hit. Just flat out out-muscled when he was initially hit, and falling immediately. Tumbling into his lineman, almost tearing mcglichey's acl at one point. This isnt something that gets better with snaps, except for maybe learning how to slide.

It absolutely gets better with snaps lol. Kid was coming up from FCS and needs to learn the speed of the game in the NFL. You also learn what hits you can/should take or what to do with the ball in certain situations, like the stuff at the goal line was a major teaching point because it was 4th down. He should've had the ball out in front of him but now he knows defenders in the NFL are faster and he can't run them over like he did at NDSU.

There is also a reason why his best runs were off scrambles. Just him getting things going vs trying to read his blocks on designed runs aka more thinking vs doing.

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:
Exactly. Lamar, Mahomes and Murray are all great examples of that.

Patrick Mahomes on early season struggles 2021:

"You're the hardest critic on yourself," said Mahomes. "What I learned is I have to be patient. I wanted to be this high-flying quarterback, throwing all these long touchdowns like I've done in the early part of my career. Defenses weren't letting me do that, and I learned to be patient. Just take what's there and try to find success in other ways.

The Texas Tech product said that being patient is easier said than done. He sometimes struggles to find a balance between patience and "Mahomes Magic."

"It's still hard," he said. "I still battle with the coaches about it. I try to find the best way to help our team out. There are times where I still get a little too aggressive, a little too freelance, a little too scramble outside the pocket. There are times where I don't take what's there. It's about finding the fine line."

Patrick Mahomes has made many amazing plays in his career going off-script, but he admitted he has to learn how to reel it in sometimes.

While Mahomes wasn't the biggest reason Kansas City was losing games, he also didn't help the cause. It looked like he was playing hero ball, trying to force the big play. Mahomes' poor decision-making hurt the team early on

Almost makes it sound like he should go back to it. At least it won him an MVP and a Super Bowl.

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:
Almost makes it sound like he should go back to it. At least it won him an MVP and a Super Bowl.

so he struggled early on because he was doing it. Then turned it around by not doing it. Your solution is to go back to doing it?

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:
Almost makes it sound like he should go back to it. At least it won him an MVP and a Super Bowl.

so he struggled early on because he was doing it. Then turned it around by not doing it. Your solution is to go back to doing it?

If by struggling you mean 1st team All Pro and League MVP. When exactly did he struggle before that season? The one he spent on the bench? Lol.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by RackofRibs49:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 9erguy:
Would like to be a fly on the wall when Shanahan and his buddy Simms are talking about Lance

Simms is weird with this stuff...Dude loved Jackson who played in a spread offense that was chalk full of half field reads and one and go stuff. His accuracy was not as good as Lance's (and neither were elite there). He loved him because he was an elite athlete that had potential.

He loved Josh Allen who was pure speculation/potential coming out of Wyoming. He wasn't close to accurate and had all kinds of mechanical issues. His last season was not good in college. Simms like him because he had a rocket arm and was big lol. I would like Simms more if he stayed consistent with what he values in QB prospects.

Trey Lance is nowhere near the explosive athlete as either of those guys to be fair. I guess Simms thinks the running part of their game made them better. Simms could also just be pulling the Florio "say anything outrageous for clicks" b******t.

I don't think that's an accurate statement.

He's not as explosive an athlete as Lamar but he's more athletic than Allen. He just doesn't have as big of an arm as Josh.

Both look much more explosive running the ball. I think folks that think Trey is going to be an explosive runner are in for a real disappointment. Trey is not a good runner, looks like a slow Kaepernick running the ball.

Good. We need a guy that is mobile enough that he uses his legs as the last resort to extend plays not constantly breaks play calls.

If anything, I hope he realizes he cannot outrun NFL LBs so he doesn't use his scrambling as a crutch so often. Make the reads and get rid of the ball. Plan B is to check it down. Plan C is to use his legs to extend the play. The sooner he realizes that his best option is to throw the ball, the quicker he will develop that aspect of of his game. If he finds a bunch of early success running around like a chicken and making off script plays, the more he will rely on that early in his career. Scramble drill plays make for nice highlights, but doesn't make for a developed pocket passer. The other factor is whether this OL can protect him adequately so that he can actually remain in the pocket.

That make sense, but if Plan B is the check down they why would Kyle want a mobile QB? The check down is nearly always available.

For me Plan B is extending the play and making something special happen, can always scramble and then run for a few yards and out of bounds.

I still want the ball out on time on schedule if possible though.

Trey looked slower than he really is because he was hesistant. Once he gets comfortable we will see his real speed. He's not Lamar or Kyler Murray but nobody is.

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:
Exactly. Lamar, Mahomes and Murray are all great examples of that.

Patrick Mahomes on early season struggles 2021:

"You're the hardest critic on yourself," said Mahomes. "What I learned is I have to be patient. I wanted to be this high-flying quarterback, throwing all these long touchdowns like I've done in the early part of my career. Defenses weren't letting me do that, and I learned to be patient. Just take what's there and try to find success in other ways.

The Texas Tech product said that being patient is easier said than done. He sometimes struggles to find a balance between patience and "Mahomes Magic."

"It's still hard," he said. "I still battle with the coaches about it. I try to find the best way to help our team out. There are times where I still get a little too aggressive, a little too freelance, a little too scramble outside the pocket. There are times where I don't take what's there. It's about finding the fine line."

Patrick Mahomes has made many amazing plays in his career going off-script, but he admitted he has to learn how to reel it in sometimes.

While Mahomes wasn't the biggest reason Kansas City was losing games, he also didn't help the cause. It looked like he was playing hero ball, trying to force the big play. Mahomes' poor decision-making hurt the team early on

Almost makes it sound like he should go back to it. At least it won him an MVP and a Super Bowl.

Gotta be able to play within the scheme...I don't think anyone is saying otherwise but to try and take away what makes a guy special is dumb. Also it's not like Mahomes hasn't been playing backyard football after that comment either. Same with Josh Allen, Matt Stafford, Rogers, Russ etc.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Gotta be able to play within the scheme...I don't think anyone is saying otherwise but to try and take away what makes a guy special is dumb. Also it's not like Mahomes hasn't been playing backyard football after that comment either. Same with Josh Allen, Matt Stafford, Rogers, Russ etc.

Agreed. Love the capability, and it will come in handy. But hoping to only see it sparingly.

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Gotta be able to play within the scheme...I don't think anyone is saying otherwise but to try and take away what makes a guy special is dumb. Also it's not like Mahomes hasn't been playing backyard football after that comment either. Same with Josh Allen, Matt Stafford, Rogers, Russ etc.

Agreed. Love the capability, and it will come in handy. But hoping to only see it sparingly.

Hey man people aren't gonna hate on it when someone else on the team doesn't execute and he makes a play out of structure. We didn't have that tool in the tool belt the past couple years.

But yeah I agree can't be a one read then scramble or leave the pocket prematurely....IMO what has made a lot of young QBs "successful" early is that they were able to use those god given traits to help themselves out, all while they learn the offense/nuance of playing within the scheme.

Originally posted by JTB1974:
Trey looked slower than he really is because he was hesistant. Once he gets comfortable we will see his real speed. He's not Lamar or Kyler Murray but nobody is.

Absolutely this, it was exacerbated by the fact his acceleration isn't elite, he needs time to get up to speed, so the quicker he starts to go the better.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
Absolutely this, it was exacerbated by the fact his acceleration isn't elite, he needs time to get up to speed, so the quicker he starts to go the better.

Really what are his splits?