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NYniner85
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Originally posted by raywm3:
I called bust from day one. Still do. Dont care. Everybody wants to give a million excuses for Trey and how raw he is. We'll see, but where there's smoke there's fire. We're gonna have a Super Bowl caliber team everywhere except where it matters most but that'll be okay because of all Trey's supporters' excuses. And of course Jimmy is just as bad but for different reasons. We should've just traded for Rodgers. Worked for the Lambs.
lol calling someone a bust who hasn't proven to be a bust (or amazing) k bro. A ton of nuance going on here with that comment
. Where's the "Where there's smoke there's fire" with the comments from Jay Glazer and Jim Trotter? How about the numerous beat reports that actually report for the damn team? Why don't those reports from actual legit NFL insiders hold any weight? OH that's right because you have a narrative to push and the only ones that support it are real.
You do realize GB hung up the phone the min Kyle called, right? LaFleur is trying to win a SB all the same and they weren't moving Rogers, especially to SF.
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NYniner85
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Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by hondakillerzx:
Because Rodgers has been winning super bowls regularly…
Early last year people were saying that it wasn't worth trading for Stafford because he had done nothing in the playoffs. Just saying.
I wouldn't put the Packers and Lions in the same category. Rogers with at least 15 starts has 10+ wins every year he's been a starter outside of his first season. Stafford has two seasons with 10+ wins in Detroit.
Regardless, LaFleur was never moving Rogers and especially to SF. pipe dream
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genus49
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Originally posted by JTB1974:
I am curious to see where he will be picked in the majority of fantasy drafts. I am hoping he is still there in the 3rd RD. It would be a steal 
3rd round? Is this a QB only league?
The amount of great FF QBs available these days I wouldn't touch one in the first round.
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genus49
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Originally posted by 49ers81:
Ah, I see the new narrative already developing. When Lance completes a tight throw into a small window it will be because he is an 'elite' talent and trusts his receivers to make the play. But the multiple times Jimmy has made that exact same throw it is because he was reckless with the ball and his receiver bailed him out. Got it.
My appreciation of Jimmy is easy to find on this board. I appreciate what he's done for us but what you're describing happened rarely.
The best attribute from Jimmy was his ability to get the ball out super quick and get the ball into the hands of our playmakers. Very rarely however did he fit the ball into super tight windows, especially outside the hashmarks. That's not a knock on him, that's just reality.
But he did shine on 3rd down so hopefully Trey can do similar work down the middle of the field and on 3rd down.
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genus49
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Originally posted by raywm3:
I called bust from day one. Still do. Dont care. Everybody wants to give a million excuses for Trey and how raw he is. We'll see, but where there's smoke there's fire. We're gonna have a Super Bowl caliber team everywhere except where it matters most but that'll be okay because of all Trey's supporters' excuses. And of course Jimmy is just as bad but for different reasons. We should've just traded for Rodgers. Worked for the Lambs.
Such an awesome post, not sure where to start.
You know what...never mind. Not worth the effort since you clearly have no idea what's going on.
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genus49
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Originally posted by NYniner85:
lol calling someone a bust who hasn't proven to be a bust (or amazing) k bro. A ton of nuance going on here with that comment . Where's the "Where there's smoke there's fire" with the comments from Jay Glazer and Jim Trotter? How about the numerous beat reports that actually report for the damn team? Why don't those reports from actual legit NFL insiders hold any weight? OH that's right because you have a narrative to push and the only ones that support it are real.
You do realize GB hung up the phone the min Kyle called, right? LaFleur is trying to win a SB all the same and they weren't moving Rogers, especially to SF.
lol at the "where there's smoke there's fire" crap.
What's the smoke? Morons spewing unsubstantiated hate for the kid? Show me all the 21 year old QBs who have come out playing at a pro bowl level. I'll wait.
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9moon
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Originally posted by raywm3:
I called bust from day one. Still do. Dont care. Everybody wants to give a million excuses for Trey and how raw he is. We'll see, but where there's smoke there's fire. We're gonna have a Super Bowl caliber team everywhere except where it matters most but that'll be okay because of all Trey's supporters' excuses. And of course Jimmy is just as bad but for different reasons. We should've just traded for Rodgers. Worked for the Lambs.
To Each His Own... nothing's wrong if you think Baby Face will be a BUST.... that's your take and he's gonna have to prove it to his doubters..
I do blame The Brick After Brick Brothers however, they had a chance to trade for Brady and did not... had a chance to trade for Aaron or Staff and did not...
Instead, they traded two extra 1st rounders for Trey, who may still turn out to be GREAT but we all know NOT any time soon.
It worked out for Tampa, and also worked out for the Lambs... the Lambs, and their front office and coaches, they don't care how many picks they gave up for Staff... heck,
they wanted to win a SUPER BOWL and gave themselves a chance..
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If this doesn't convince you of the confidence that the FO has in Trey than nothing will.
KS: "Just being around him all year. I thought he had the ability we saw in college. We knew it was at a different level and we knew we were very limited on the amount he got to play, especially missing the last year of COVID. So you have to go off what you see on tape and believing in the person and we did. Having him here for a whole year, I feel stronger about that. He's got the ability to do it. He's got the mind to do it. And I think he's the type of person who can handle all the stuff that goes with it."
JL: "Yeah. I would just echo that. He is who we thought he was and probably even stronger. You have to have a lot to you. You have to have a lot of substance to play quarterback in this league both physically and from just a who you are standpoint. And I think Trey checks both those boxes and what you know is the things that Kyle and his staff have identified for Trey on things to work with. This guy's focus, his work ethic. He'll have a plan and it will be a comprehensive one and when you have the talent and you have that ability. Then I think what he showed me is that in the moments, and there were few, but when he had an opportunity to go play, I saw that competitive greatness that you look for in people who are going to lead your organization. And so even though we saw it, however brief it was, I saw it. And so it gives me a lot of belief that it's there and that he's exactly who we thought he was when we picked him. And we're really excited about that."
KS: "Yeah, I think what I learned most about Trey is I learned that he was the person that we were banking on him being. When you go through a Draft process, especially with the COVID rules we had where you weren't allowed to really be with someone in person, you're allowed to watch him at a distance from a pro day, you're allowed to have zooms and talk to him, so we got to put a lot of time into that stuff, so I felt like we really had a good feel of who he was, but you never know until you really get with someone and just being with him this whole year. He's the good person, the good human that we thought, he has the work ethic we thought, he's as smart as we thought, he's got a natural charisma to him that I believe as a leader. He's kind of the baby on the team this year, just in terms of his age, but he has a presence to him that people will gravitate to when he has that position. Stuff I thought he learned the most of was this was his first time playing in almost two years. And we asked him to do a lot of different things and just watching him play in the pocket, watching him work on play actions that he didn't get to do as much in college. He had never done a seven-step drop before, which is how a lot of play actions are. He'd always done five and trying to mess with his feet and timing of all different types of plays. I thought it was great for him. It was great experience for him and I think it was good that he could kind of sit back and watch all that and not get forced into stuff where he's learning it and doing it for the first time at full speed versus NFL defenses, because it's a lot harder. But yeah, towards the end of the year, I never thought about just trying to get him in because I knew that was about to come. When we were 3-5, that was kind of the breaking point where I knew it was getting close. I know everyone else thought it was there, which I agreed it was getting close to there, but once we won that game and went to 4-5 and ended up winning four in a row, I thought we had a chance. And when you're doing that, you don't want to mess with the team. I would've done it for strategic reasons, if I thought it helped, but I wasn't going to do it just to help Trey get 4-6 plays and ease him in at that time, because that's not what we were thinking about at that time. We were thinking about how we can get our team to the playoffs. And once we got to the playoffs, we were thinking how we could win each game, because we knew only one team was going to be happy at the end. And we're not that happy."
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NinerBuff
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Not ready, underwhelmed
We can't have any of this
positive narrative here.
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genus49
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Originally posted by 9moon:
To Each His Own... nothing's wrong if you think Baby Face will be a BUST.... that's your take and he's gonna have to prove it to his doubters..
I do blame The Brick After Brick Brothers however, they had a chance to trade for Brady and did not... had a chance to trade for Aaron or Staff and did not...
Instead, they traded two extra 1st rounders for Trey, who may still turn out to be GREAT but we all know NOT any time soon.
It worked out for Tampa, and also worked out for the Lambs... the Lambs, and their front office and coaches, they don't care how many picks they gave up for Staff... heck,
they wanted to win a SUPER BOWL and gave themselves a chance..
No they didn't. Stop saying things that are wrong as facts.
Do you realize how much had to fall into place for the Rams to win it last season? Stafford went to the Rams because there was a relationship with McVay.
The only mistake we made in hindsight that was actually realistic was not bringing in Brady but at the time it was easy to see why we didn't make the move. We just went to the SB. Tom Brady was going to be 43 and coming off his worst season. The team decided to try to keep continuity to keep winning vs taking a chance on however long Brady had left.
It didn't work out but it's easy to understand why if you actually use logic and not stupid hindsight.
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Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
lol calling someone a bust who hasn't proven to be a bust (or amazing) k bro. A ton of nuance going on here with that comment . Where's the "Where there's smoke there's fire" with the comments from Jay Glazer and Jim Trotter? How about the numerous beat reports that actually report for the damn team? Why don't those reports from actual legit NFL insiders hold any weight? OH that's right because you have a narrative to push and the only ones that support it are real.
You do realize GB hung up the phone the min Kyle called, right? LaFleur is trying to win a SB all the same and they weren't moving Rogers, especially to SF.
lol at the "where there's smoke there's fire" crap.
What's the smoke? Morons spewing unsubstantiated hate for the kid? Show me all the 21 year old QBs who have come out playing at a pro bowl level. I'll wait.
I have no issue with anyone who thinks Trey will be a bust, in a nutshell.
But I find that those people rarely apply their same logic to Jimmy G and other QBs, which seems hypocritical.
