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Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

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May 14, 2022 at 3:39 PM
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Originally posted by Tigerlaw:
Originally posted by Psinex:
Originally posted by MBNINER90266:
So many scribes hating on Lance. Problem is they have no clue about this team, never watched them with Garapollo, and just assume Lance blows. They don't know that we won in spite of Garapollo many times, not because of him. If Lance can just maintain even a level comparable with Jimmy, we will be fine. That shouldn't be that hard.

Jimmy's level is up around 70% accuracy, and despite test you may think, Jimmy led the team to many comeback wins with his clutch passes on the last drive of games. That's not a low bar. In 2019, Jimmy led 6 4th quarter comebacks.

Can Trey take the offense down the field with 40 seconds left in the game, needing a TD? He couldn't do it against AZ. The Texans game wasn't that close. At ND State, most of the games Trey started were blowouts so he didn't play many close games. We'll see whether or not Trey is a clutch QB.

Jimmy G needs comeback wins because he fails to put teams away late in games

The Texans game wasnt close because Trey went super saiyan and destroyed them in the 2nd half

That is a ridiculous statement. You can like one QB without s**tting on another's accomplishments. Jimmy did a lot of good things for this team, including carrying the team to a couple of huge wins when the defense played like s**t, and more than a few clutch drives. If he could do that consistently, we wouldn't even have drafted Trey. When people post s**t like this it makes me think they don't understand the game any deeper than a Madden video game level understanding. We still don't know if Trey is up to the hype we have been hearing, we hope so. I liked the pick when it was made, and remain cautiously optimistic because we have put him in a good position to succeed. It is all up to him now to be the smart, tough, level-headed young man we have been told he is, and hit the ground running in the pros. The only part that has me much concerned is his accuracy, it was pretty bad last year in his small sample of actual playing time. Totally fixable problem.

Name one. The only one that comes to mind is the Saints game in 2019, but Jimmy hardly "carried" us to that win.

He did carry the offense that day, sorry if you don't like it. Unlike you, I am an objective person. I give credit where it is due because I am not one of those idiots who feels like they must put one guy down to prop up another. I like Jimmy, I appreciate what he did for the team when it was his time. It's not his time anymore, but that doesn't mean I have to belittle what the guy did for the team while he was here. You think we make the playoffs without him? Because we haven't without him since Kyle was here. I am looking forward to seeing Trey play, hopefully he is the leader and class act that Jimmy was in his time here. Miss me with the petty partisan b******t, that is an idiots game.

Yea, you sound really objective when tears of rage shoot out of your eyes just because I asked you to back up your claim that Jimmy "[carried] the team to a couple of huge wins when the defense played like s**t". I appreciate what Jimmy did here, but he did very little when he didn't have a top 5 defense and some of the best offensive playmakers in the league.
May 14, 2022 at 6:37 PM
Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
Wow, if we're debating that play it's going to be a long Season!

I was pleased to see the report of Trey dropping in on Rookie Minicamp, a nice sign of leadership and commitment.

Dude for real.
May 14, 2022 at 10:50 PM
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Originally posted by Tigerlaw:
Originally posted by Psinex:
Originally posted by MBNINER90266:
So many scribes hating on Lance. Problem is they have no clue about this team, never watched them with Garapollo, and just assume Lance blows. They don't know that we won in spite of Garapollo many times, not because of him. If Lance can just maintain even a level comparable with Jimmy, we will be fine. That shouldn't be that hard.

Jimmy's level is up around 70% accuracy, and despite test you may think, Jimmy led the team to many comeback wins with his clutch passes on the last drive of games. That's not a low bar. In 2019, Jimmy led 6 4th quarter comebacks.

Can Trey take the offense down the field with 40 seconds left in the game, needing a TD? He couldn't do it against AZ. The Texans game wasn't that close. At ND State, most of the games Trey started were blowouts so he didn't play many close games. We'll see whether or not Trey is a clutch QB.

Jimmy G needs comeback wins because he fails to put teams away late in games

The Texans game wasnt close because Trey went super saiyan and destroyed them in the 2nd half

That is a ridiculous statement. You can like one QB without s**tting on another's accomplishments. Jimmy did a lot of good things for this team, including carrying the team to a couple of huge wins when the defense played like s**t, and more than a few clutch drives. If he could do that consistently, we wouldn't even have drafted Trey. When people post s**t like this it makes me think they don't understand the game any deeper than a Madden video game level understanding. We still don't know if Trey is up to the hype we have been hearing, we hope so. I liked the pick when it was made, and remain cautiously optimistic because we have put him in a good position to succeed. It is all up to him now to be the smart, tough, level-headed young man we have been told he is, and hit the ground running in the pros. The only part that has me much concerned is his accuracy, it was pretty bad last year in his small sample of actual playing time. Totally fixable problem.

Name one. The only one that comes to mind is the Saints game in 2019, but Jimmy hardly "carried" us to that win.

He did carry the offense that day, sorry if you don't like it. Unlike you, I am an objective person. I give credit where it is due because I am not one of those idiots who feels like they must put one guy down to prop up another. I like Jimmy, I appreciate what he did for the team when it was his time. It's not his time anymore, but that doesn't mean I have to belittle what the guy did for the team while he was here. You think we make the playoffs without him? Because we haven't without him since Kyle was here. I am looking forward to seeing Trey play, hopefully he is the leader and class act that Jimmy was in his time here. Miss me with the petty partisan b******t, that is an idiots game.

Yea, you sound really objective when tears of rage shoot out of your eyes just because I asked you to back up your claim that Jimmy "[carried] the team to a couple of huge wins when the defense played like s**t". I appreciate what Jimmy did here, but he did very little when he didn't have a top 5 defense and some of the best offensive playmakers in the league.

This
May 16, 2022 at 8:47 AM
  • JMC52
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Originally posted by SinceXVI:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by SinceXVI:
As a 1st year starter, he'll miss reads but make up for it by doing this.


not a spiral. -0.05 pff points

lol, I was going to post something of this nature

That one better for ya

Such an elite throw. Anticipation, accuracy, and velocity.

So hard to tell if he got lucky or he meant to fit the ball in the smallest window possible, I guess time will tell.
May 16, 2022 at 8:49 AM
Originally posted by JMC52:
Originally posted by SinceXVI:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by SinceXVI:
As a 1st year starter, he'll miss reads but make up for it by doing this.


not a spiral. -0.05 pff points

lol, I was going to post something of this nature

That one better for ya

Such an elite throw. Anticipation, accuracy, and velocity.

So hard to tell if he got lucky or he meant to fit the ball in the smallest window possible, I guess time will tell.
a combo of both.. hopefully we don't need to do that again
May 16, 2022 at 11:10 AM
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by SinceXVI:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by SinceXVI:
As a 1st year starter, he'll miss reads but make up for it by doing this.


not a spiral. -0.05 pff points

I mean I'm not sure that ball was where it should have been. It was high as it should have been, but Deebo slowed for it. Now, I can't see a good angle on the defenders, but on first glance, it looks behind.

THAT SAID, it's still a great play. Just not as great as it could have been (assuming the defenders, etc etc).
It was a great instinctual and athletic play that was unnecessarily risky, as it was 1st down and Sanu was open in the flat 2 yards short of the marker.

Love to see the ability, but next year he needs to be more wise about when to go for the high risk/high reward play, and when to just take what the defense gives him.

During the Texans game, on 4th and 5, he opted for the intermediate route instead of Kittle in the flat 2 yards short of the marker. The pass was incomplete to a well covered Deebo, had he chosen Kittle, he most likely would've picked up the 1st down with Kittle fighting through a tackle.

We were down 10 with 5 minutes left. We needed to score quickly, so I don't mind him trying for the bigger play.

I'm sorry but that doesn't fit the narrative that Lance is just a physical talent and is leaving plays on the field a real QB would take.

1. Complains about Jimmy throwing underneath for 1st downs while complaining of no deep/intermediate throws.

2. Complains about Lance completing deep/intermediate throws while there are short throws for 1st downs available.

🤔🤔🤔

Monday morning QB'ing is so easy.
May 16, 2022 at 11:12 AM
I am curious to see where he will be picked in the majority of fantasy drafts. I am hoping he is still there in the 3rd RD. It would be a steal
May 16, 2022 at 11:38 AM
Originally posted by JTB1974:
I am curious to see where he will be picked in the majority of fantasy drafts. I am hoping he is still there in the 3rd RD. It would be a steal

Can I play Fantasy Football with you please.

To clarify, for money.
May 16, 2022 at 11:51 AM
Originally posted by JMC52:
Originally posted by SinceXVI:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by SinceXVI:
As a 1st year starter, he'll miss reads but make up for it by doing this.


not a spiral. -0.05 pff points

lol, I was going to post something of this nature

That one better for ya

Such an elite throw. Anticipation, accuracy, and velocity.

So hard to tell if he got lucky or he meant to fit the ball in the smallest window possible, I guess time will tell.

The throw to Aiyuk doesn't feel like luck as much as just trusting your receiver and understanding positioning. The elite QBs make throws into super tight windows all of the time.

For example, this throw from Herbert might look a bit lucky, but he probably hits that 10/10 times.

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[ Edited by 49ersRing on May 16, 2022 at 11:51 AM ]
May 16, 2022 at 12:17 PM
Ah, I see the new narrative already developing. When Lance completes a tight throw into a small window it will be because he is an 'elite' talent and trusts his receivers to make the play. But the multiple times Jimmy has made that exact same throw it is because he was reckless with the ball and his receiver bailed him out. Got it.
May 16, 2022 at 12:20 PM
Originally posted by 49ers81:
Ah, I see the new narrative already developing. When Lance completes a tight throw into a small window it will be because he is an 'elite' talent and trusts his receivers to make the play. But the multiple times Jimmy has made that exact same throw it is because he was reckless with the ball and his receiver bailed him out. Got it.

Jimmy's ability to fit the ball in tight spaces was a very good attribute. His release and confidence in those throws over the middle were directly responsible for our success over the past few years.

But he also had a penchant for missing a dropping LB, at a high enough frequency that it was limiting.
May 16, 2022 at 12:23 PM
Originally posted by NinerBuff:
Originally posted by 49ers81:
Ah, I see the new narrative already developing. When Lance completes a tight throw into a small window it will be because he is an 'elite' talent and trusts his receivers to make the play. But the multiple times Jimmy has made that exact same throw it is because he was reckless with the ball and his receiver bailed him out. Got it.

Jimmy's ability to fit the ball in tight spaces was a very good attribute. His release and confidence in those throws over the middle were directly responsible for our success over the past few years.

But he also had a penchant for missing a dropping LB, at a high enough frequency that it was limiting.
yup... if the team we faced have decent LBs.. it will be a rough game for jimmy
May 16, 2022 at 12:27 PM
Originally posted by 49ers81:
Ah, I see the new narrative already developing. When Lance completes a tight throw into a small window it will be because he is an 'elite' talent and trusts his receivers to make the play. But the multiple times Jimmy has made that exact same throw it is because he was reckless with the ball and his receiver bailed him out. Got it.

Overblown. Jimmy rarely made tight window throws. We all know this, but some refuse to admit it.
May 16, 2022 at 1:05 PM
Originally posted by 49ers81:
Ah, I see the new narrative already developing. When Lance completes a tight throw into a small window it will be because he is an 'elite' talent and trusts his receivers to make the play. But the multiple times Jimmy has made that exact same throw it is because he was reckless with the ball and his receiver bailed him out. Got it.

We have enough of a sample size on Jimmy to know at least two things: he doesn't throw outside the numbers very well and two, he often doesn't see LBs. That said, Jimmy has been given plenty of credit for hitting tight-window throws before. For example, the throw to Deebo against the Eagles.
[ Edited by 49ersRing on May 16, 2022 at 1:07 PM ]
May 16, 2022 at 1:26 PM
  • Sickaa
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Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Originally posted by 49ers81:
Ah, I see the new narrative already developing. When Lance completes a tight throw into a small window it will be because he is an 'elite' talent and trusts his receivers to make the play. But the multiple times Jimmy has made that exact same throw it is because he was reckless with the ball and his receiver bailed him out. Got it.

Overblown. Jimmy rarely made tight window throws. We all know this, but some refuse to admit it.

2017 would disagree with that. . It wouldn't suprise me to see Lance making plenty of throws Into tight windows though. He has potential to be special.
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