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Originally posted by NinerBuff:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Jimmy still drove down the field and threw the game winning TD with not much time left on the clock.
This rationale works for many Jimmy games… vs GB (which we lost), week 18 against LA, @NO in 2019, home vs AZ in 2019. But with each of those games, Jimmy was generally marginal with a heroic end.
In general, the NO game was very good. But Emmanuel Sanders really was the star.
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
I can attest that NYniner85 was way, WAY off on Mahomes.
Yup. So where a lot of people. To be fair what I had issue with was legit. Talent ended up being the bigger then all those issues
I think Mahomes and Allen were great learning moments for a lot of people to take the talent
*Talent PLUS character/background. Mahomes had not one but TWO pro athletes in his family/close friends circle. There was no doubt he would understand what it takes to be a professional athlete. And both those guys have character for days.
Yup that stuff kinda gets lost in the shuffle by fans during the draft process. Having the talent and intangibles. For me with Mahomes it was just the lack of mechanics, the WTF are you doing throws, and just going rouge on plays. It was literally backyard football BUT he found the right HC, right system, and roster to harness all that god given ability...would Mahomes be who he is if say Adam Gase drafted him in NJ? I mean his talent/drive might overcome all that s**t, but he might not have gotten to be him and that's what makes him great.
Kyle loves his scheme no doubt. I do think he's realizing he needs a guy that can both run his offense and make a play when s**t breaks down. Watching Josh Allen destroy you regardless of your defensive scheme being on point opened his eyes. Watching Mahomes be Mahomes in the SB opened his eyes. If he wanted just a robot that will only run his offense and offered you nothing if s**t breaks down then maybe McCorkle would have been the pick. Clearly he wanted more and hopefully we see it all come to fruition, if it does I don't see how this offenses doesn't become elite.
I'd say almost. Talent is more important than scheme. Surrounding cast is, too. And I'd also say Aaron Rodgers would have succeeded where Alex Smith failed. Worst case Rodgers wouldn't have come close to 1TD to 11 INTs in his rookie year here. And I think Mahomes may not have had a 50 TD season, but he'd at worst be considered an up and comer, no matter who drafted him.
Because, again, he's still doing the WTF mechanics. He's just so good that he can get away with it. People missed the talent for the dogma.
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Originally posted by Tigerlaw:
Originally posted by Psinex:
Originally posted by MBNINER90266:
So many scribes hating on Lance. Problem is they have no clue about this team, never watched them with Garapollo, and just assume Lance blows. They don't know that we won in spite of Garapollo many times, not because of him. If Lance can just maintain even a level comparable with Jimmy, we will be fine. That shouldn't be that hard.
Jimmy's level is up around 70% accuracy, and despite test you may think, Jimmy led the team to many comeback wins with his clutch passes on the last drive of games. That's not a low bar. In 2019, Jimmy led 6 4th quarter comebacks.
Can Trey take the offense down the field with 40 seconds left in the game, needing a TD? He couldn't do it against AZ. The Texans game wasn't that close. At ND State, most of the games Trey started were blowouts so he didn't play many close games. We'll see whether or not Trey is a clutch QB.
Jimmy G needs comeback wins because he fails to put teams away late in games
The Texans game wasnt close because Trey went super saiyan and destroyed them in the 2nd half
That is a ridiculous statement. You can like one QB without s**tting on another's accomplishments. Jimmy did a lot of good things for this team, including carrying the team to a couple of huge wins when the defense played like s**t, and more than a few clutch drives. If he could do that consistently, we wouldn't even have drafted Trey. When people post s**t like this it makes me think they don't understand the game any deeper than a Madden video game level understanding. We still don't know if Trey is up to the hype we have been hearing, we hope so. I liked the pick when it was made, and remain cautiously optimistic because we have put him in a good position to succeed. It is all up to him now to be the smart, tough, level-headed young man we have been told he is, and hit the ground running in the pros. The only part that has me much concerned is his accuracy, it was pretty bad last year in his small sample of actual playing time. Totally fixable problem.
Originally posted by Tigerlaw:
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Originally posted by Tigerlaw:
Originally posted by Psinex:
Originally posted by MBNINER90266:
So many scribes hating on Lance. Problem is they have no clue about this team, never watched them with Garapollo, and just assume Lance blows. They don't know that we won in spite of Garapollo many times, not because of him. If Lance can just maintain even a level comparable with Jimmy, we will be fine. That shouldn't be that hard.
Jimmy's level is up around 70% accuracy, and despite test you may think, Jimmy led the team to many comeback wins with his clutch passes on the last drive of games. That's not a low bar. In 2019, Jimmy led 6 4th quarter comebacks.
Can Trey take the offense down the field with 40 seconds left in the game, needing a TD? He couldn't do it against AZ. The Texans game wasn't that close. At ND State, most of the games Trey started were blowouts so he didn't play many close games. We'll see whether or not Trey is a clutch QB.
Jimmy G needs comeback wins because he fails to put teams away late in games
The Texans game wasnt close because Trey went super saiyan and destroyed them in the 2nd half
That is a ridiculous statement. You can like one QB without s**tting on another's accomplishments. Jimmy did a lot of good things for this team, including carrying the team to a couple of huge wins when the defense played like s**t, and more than a few clutch drives. If he could do that consistently, we wouldn't even have drafted Trey. When people post s**t like this it makes me think they don't understand the game any deeper than a Madden video game level understanding. We still don't know if Trey is up to the hype we have been hearing, we hope so. I liked the pick when it was made, and remain cautiously optimistic because we have put him in a good position to succeed. It is all up to him now to be the smart, tough, level-headed young man we have been told he is, and hit the ground running in the pros. The only part that has me much concerned is his accuracy, it was pretty bad last year in his small sample of actual playing time. Totally fixable problem.
Sorry facts make you so angry
Texans game we were losing 3-7 at halftime
49ers scored 20 unanswered points to pull away...but bc it wasnt in the 4th quarter you want to downplay it.
Jimmy G has earned his reputation as a 4th quarter heart attack...did you watch his playoff runs with us?
We failed to grow our leads and lost a SB and NFCCG we should have won.
Originally posted by Psinex:2021 49ers vs Arizona
Jimmy led the team to many comeback wins with his clutch passes on the last drive of games. That's not a low bar. In 2019, Jimmy led 6 4th quarter comebacks.
Can Trey take the offense down the field with 40 seconds left in the game, needing a TD? He couldn't do it against AZ. The Texans game wasn't that close. At ND State, most of the games Trey started were blowouts so he didn't play many close games. We'll see whether or not Trey is a clutch QB.
Originally posted by genus49:
I think it's so funny that Trey Lance gets so much hate by people in the media, it's not like Josh Allen's career played out so long ago that people forgot what can happen when you surround an elite tools QB with good coaching and playmakers then give him time to develop.
Josh Allen - had way more experience in college. Looked pretty mediocre early in his NFL career, improved virtually every year and is now considered one of the elite QBs in the NFL and looked absolutely god level in his two playoff games this past season.
People need proper expectations for Trey and obviously coming off a SB run we want to be right back in the hunt but we have a tough schedule and Trey will have growing pains. This is not gonna be a Mahomes like situation where he comes out and puts up MVP numbers since Pat had WAY more experience than Trey and was more talented arm talent.
But I just don't get how people can be so down on the kid. He's in a great situation to succeed from the talent around him to the coaching staff. It's almost like because he hasn't had much tape some of these people make the odd assumption that he's going to be bad. Why? The limited sample size has been pretty darn good. Kid has the physical talent, sounds like he's got the intangibles and the smarts you want to go with that talent. Maybe his arm isn't on the level of Mahomes/Allen but it's certainly good enough to play in this league.
I can't wait to see the kid show everyone what he can do.
#49ers QB Trey Lance also stopped by to take a look at the rookies for a few minutes.
— Nick Wagoner (@nwagoner) May 13, 2022
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
#49ers QB Trey Lance also stopped by to take a look at the rookies for a few minutes.
— Nick Wagoner (@nwagoner) May 13, 2022
It looks like Trey is embracing that this is now his team… Or maybe he didn't realize that the NFL isn't like college and that he's not a redshirt rookie
Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
#49ers QB Trey Lance also stopped by to take a look at the rookies for a few minutes.
— Nick Wagoner (@nwagoner) May 13, 2022
It looks like Trey is embracing that this is now his team… Or maybe he didn't realize that the NFL isn't like college and that he's not a redshirt rookie
Or he thought he was at a Wendys
Originally posted by 49ersRing:But he's not announced as the starter!!!!
#49ers QB Trey Lance also stopped by to take a look at the rookies for a few minutes.
— Nick Wagoner (@nwagoner) May 13, 2022
It looks like Trey is embracing that this is now his team… Or maybe he didn't realize that the NFL isn't like college and that he's not a redshirt rookie
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
#49ers QB Trey Lance also stopped by to take a look at the rookies for a few minutes.
— Nick Wagoner (@nwagoner) May 13, 2022
It looks like Trey is embracing that this is now his team… Or maybe he didn't realize that the NFL isn't like college and that he's not a redshirt rookie
