Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
I can attest that NYniner85 was way, WAY off on Mahomes. 
Yup. So where a lot of people. To be fair what I had issue with was legit. Talent ended up being the bigger then all those issues
I think Mahomes and Allen were great learning moments for a lot of people to take the talent
*Talent PLUS character/background. Mahomes had not one but TWO pro athletes in his family/close friends circle. There was no doubt he would understand what it takes to be a professional athlete. And both those guys have character for days.
Yup that stuff kinda gets lost in the shuffle by fans during the draft process. Having the talent and intangibles. For me with Mahomes it was just the lack of mechanics, the WTF are you doing throws, and just going rouge on plays. It was literally backyard football BUT he found the right HC, right system, and roster to harness all that god given ability...would Mahomes be who he is if say Adam Gase drafted him in NJ? I mean his talent/drive might overcome all that s**t, but he might not have gotten to be him and that's what makes him great.
Kyle loves his scheme no doubt. I do think he's realizing he needs a guy that can both run his offense and make a play when s**t breaks down. Watching Josh Allen destroy you regardless of your defensive scheme being on point opened his eyes. Watching Mahomes be Mahomes in the SB opened his eyes. If he wanted just a robot that will only run his offense and offered you nothing if s**t breaks down then maybe McCorkle would have been the pick. Clearly he wanted more and hopefully we see it all come to fruition, if it does I don't see how this offenses doesn't become elite. 
I'd say almost. Talent is more important than scheme. Surrounding cast is, too. And I'd also say Aaron Rodgers would have succeeded where Alex Smith failed. Worst case Rodgers wouldn't have come close to 1TD to 11 INTs in his rookie year here. And I think Mahomes may not have had a 50 TD season, but he'd at worst be considered an up and comer, no matter who drafted him.
Because, again, he's still doing the WTF mechanics. He's just so good that he can get away with it. People missed the talent for the dogma.
Dude, Rodgers likely would've been even worse than Smith. Rogers is a prima donna with nowhere near the mental, or physical toughness of Smith. You take any talent and put them on that 2005 niners team, and they would've struggled mightily, even Tom Brady or Joe Montana. It was the second worst niner team I have seen in my 40 plus years of being a fan of the team, second only to the team that landed them the pick they took Smith with in the first place.
I'm gonna have to STRONGLY disagree.
First of all, Alex Smith came into the league emotionally soft and passive. He didn't start being good until he finally broke versus the Eagles under Singletary (the "We Want Carr" game) and decided to take on a "f**k you" attitude—the very one Rodgers
came into the league with. Call Rodgers a prima donna if you want, but you know what else he was? Mentally tough. Rodgers makes that team 6-10, maybe even 7-9 (Might have beaten Dallas, Seattle, the Cardinals in that second game, all one score games). And the 2006 team goes to the playoffs with him.
