Rep the Red & Gold: Shop 49ers Gear →

There are 382 users in the forums

Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Shop 49ers game tickets
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by YACBros85:

I am not sure how Herbert having a s**tty defense helps your argument. It would mean that Herbert's numbers are more inflated because they had to pass the ball more.

it's showing he had to put the team on his back. He wasn't allowed to let the team around him prop him up….when the NE D started to collapse down the stretch Jones started playing worse.

it also shows that watching the games are a little more important than just looking at stats.

But Herbert hasn't put the team on his back. They have yet to make the playoffs.
The above videos are auto-populated by an affiliate.
  • Deebo
  • Veteran
  • Posts: 1,648
https://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/nfl/194438-mac-jones-qb-patriots/
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Nothing is gonna drastically change for Jones. They're not rolling out a completely new offense.

IMO where rookie QBs end up plays one of the biggest parts on if they succeed.

100% agree - you can have all the talent in the world but you need to be supported, coached, developed, put in proper position etc in order to be successful.

if Brady or Rodgers came to the 49ers back then, we would almost certainly not be discussing their names amongst the greats.
Originally posted by YACBros85:
But Herbert hasn't put the team on his back. They have yet to make the playoffs.

They didn't make the playoffs last yr because their coach didn't kneel there ball down lol. They play in the AFCW not the AFCE. Herbert most certainly wasn't the reason they haven't made the playoffs and you know that.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
But Herbert hasn't put the team on his back. They have yet to make the playoffs.

They didn't make the playoffs last yr because their coach didn't kneel there ball down lol. They play in the AFCW not the AFCE. Herbert most certainly wasn't the reason they haven't made the playoffs and you know that.

Yes. I know that. However, there is difference between having a solid year and putting the team on your back, imo.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by 49ers81:
And you know this how? Because you were in the huddle with him for his year at NDSU, or because you read it somewhere and have decided it must be true? Not saying it isn't but the degree to which people in here will jump to believe anything good they read about Lance and dismiss anything bad they read is really something. What do they call that, confirmation bias. I hope he turns out to be everything people say but like most things in life, at some point you have to actually go out and earn your reputation where it counts, on the field and in the locker room during the course of a grueling NFL schedule.

Because I've listen to what people across the board of have said about the kid… whether it's coaches, players or evaluators. It's not just one person either. What's the point in dozens of people lying about stuff like that?

as far as skill set we all watch what he did in college. There's no fabricating there.

I look at who's saying what & what they have to gain from saying such a thing either way. It's not hard to form objective assumptions about a player.

your last comment doesn't make sense…he did play on the field and earn that at NDSU. Now he's got to do it at the next level.

The last comment makes perfect sense. Whatever Lance accomplished in college doesn't really matter at this level. How many Heisman Trophy winning QB's who were all studs and BMOC during their college years have flamed out or turned into career back-ups at this level. To his credit, the teammates at NDSU who have had the opportunity to do so all seem to have spoken highly of him. He seems to have made a positive impression on his 49er teammates during the course of his practices and limited game play. All positives. But filling in for ten quarters is a lot different from being on the field for 17 games and carrying a lot of the weight of the team's expectations.

My issue, as always, is with people stating as fact something that they, personally, have no way of knowing is true or is based on incomplete information."Oh, he'll be an elite runner at this level". "Oh, he would have won as many games as Jimmy last year". "Oh, he'll do this or he'll do that and he'll probably be an MVP candidate this year". "Oh,look at this 7 yard crossing pattern he completed to an open receiver, wow he's amazing". It just never stops. I'm certainly looking forward to seeing him play but he's still got to go out there and earn all of this praise that people are heaping on him.

Fred Warner says that Lance has looked great "in practice". Terrific let's hope that carries over onto the field. George Kittle says that Lance looks like he has a high ceiling, great let's see that demonstrated over the next couple of years. John Lynch and Kyle Shanahan have said they believe in Lance's ability to get the job done, glad to hear it because they gave up a lot to get him. Now all he has to do is get out on the field and prove it. All of those guys are in a position to know what they've seen, you're not, so the correct statement would be, "By most accounts Lance has demonstrated all of these specific traits he will need to succeed". It's the English teacher's son in me.
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Henry had 12 more receptions but Williams had over 100 more yards. I agree. Herberts numbers were inflated because of a s**tty D. How is that a knock on Mac? Allen and Williams have proved to be solid receiving targets for multiple QB's now. To say that Bourne and Meyers would be on the same level as Allen and Williams if they had say Mahomes throwing them the ball is just ludicrous.

What do you mean how is that not a knock on Jones? He was put in favorable positions for a good part of the season. His D allowed 17 pts a game. His running game was top 8 in the league. You talk about stats and yet aren't gonna talk about when those things disappear from him towards the end of the yr he got worse? When you're playing from behind or in 3rd in longs that doesn't make s**t easier as a young QB and you know that. like I said I watched a lot of his game. There's context not just stats.

where did I say they were on the same level? Don't make up s**t to prove a point. They went and made two pass catching TEs two of the top 5 paid players at their position (at the time), spent cash on Nelson Agholor who was just shy of 1K the yr prior. So yeah no pro-bowl WRs…. but they had players where you'd think better QB play would make all of them better, no? s**t you'd think your former 1st rd pick N'Keal Harry might be better with Jones then Cam Newton.
Originally posted by 49ers81:
The last comment makes perfect sense. Whatever Lance accomplished in college doesn't really matter at this level. How many Heisman Trophy winning QB's who were all studs and BMOC during their college years have flamed out or turned into career back-ups at this level. To his credit, the teammates at NDSU who have had the opportunity to do so all seem to have spoken highly of him. He seems to have made a positive impression on his 49er teammates during the course of his practices and limited game play. All positives. But filling in for ten quarters is a lot different from being on the field for 17 games and carrying a lot of the weight of the team's expectations.

My issue, as always, is with people stating as fact something that they, personally, have no way of knowing is true or is based on incomplete information."Oh, he'll be an elite runner at this level". "Oh, he would have won as many games as Jimmy last year". "Oh, he'll do this or he'll do that and he'll probably be an MVP candidate this year". "Oh,look at this 7 yard crossing pattern he completed to an open receiver, wow he's amazing". It just never stops. I'm certainly looking forward to seeing him play but he's still got to go out there and earn all of this praise that people are heaping on him.

Fred Warner says that Lance has looked great "in practice". Terrific let's hope that carries over onto the field. George Kittle says that Lance looks like he has a high ceiling, great let's see that demonstrated over the next couple of years. John Lynch and Kyle Shanahan have said they believe in Lance's ability to get the job done, glad to hear it because they gave up a lot to get him. Now all he has to do is get out on the field and prove it. All of those guys are in a position to know what they've seen, you're not, so the correct statement would be, "By most accounts Lance has demonstrated all of these specific traits he will need to succeed". It's the English teacher's son in me.

Dude all we have to go off of RIGHT NOW is college for the most part.

how is it not a fact that damn near every single person who's been around Lance talk about his intangibles? Show me a comment of him being a bad teammate. Not a leader. Bad worth ethic. Doesn't have high end football IQ? You wouldn't find any….you want to think that's all make believe fine. Be a hell of a conspiracy if that was all a lie imo.

Sounds like you don't want to discuss him and what info we have to go over…might as well just stay out of this thread all together until there's a full season of film to talk about then.
[ Edited by NYniner85 on May 12, 2022 at 9:13 AM ]
Originally posted by NYniner85:
He did nothing special for a guy some people wanted to spend a top 12 pick on. I watched a ton of their games. I mean boo hoo he didn't have the best of the best like he had in college. Bill spent more money in FA then he's ever done. He didn't improve down the stretch and imo will never be able to contend with Josh Allen in that division (unless there's a hurricane and he throws the ball 3xs). I mean Jimmy had a higher passer rating so whatever there. I never wanted high floor low ceiling at that pick.


Originally posted by NYniner85:
He was put in a much much better position to outperform the others outside of Lance who just didn't play. I don't expect him to ever look like Brady regardless of who he's throwing the ball too. I simple don't think he's anything special. He's never gonna throw a team on his back and out play an elite QB.

I have no hypocrisy. I don't think he's a top end talent and he didn't show me anything to change my opinion on it.

jones had almost 100 more passing attempts compared to Jimmy and yet had similar numbers to an avg QB. Cool

With these statements, you obviously do not believe that having better talent at the WR position makes much of a difference.
Originally posted by YACBros85:
With these statements, you obviously do not believe that having better talent at the WR position makes much of a difference.

I believe a good QB and scheme can help improve the receiving position. Do I think NE was top end there? No. Have they ever really been? No. Bill spent more cash on free agents then at any other point in his time there. They got back a lot players that opted out the yr prior.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by 49ers81:
The last comment makes perfect sense. Whatever Lance accomplished in college doesn't really matter at this level. How many Heisman Trophy winning QB's who were all studs and BMOC during their college years have flamed out or turned into career back-ups at this level. To his credit, the teammates at NDSU who have had the opportunity to do so all seem to have spoken highly of him. He seems to have made a positive impression on his 49er teammates during the course of his practices and limited game play. All positives. But filling in for ten quarters is a lot different from being on the field for 17 games and carrying a lot of the weight of the team's expectations.

My issue, as always, is with people stating as fact something that they, personally, have no way of knowing is true or is based on incomplete information."Oh, he'll be an elite runner at this level". "Oh, he would have won as many games as Jimmy last year". "Oh, he'll do this or he'll do that and he'll probably be an MVP candidate this year". "Oh,look at this 7 yard crossing pattern he completed to an open receiver, wow he's amazing". It just never stops. I'm certainly looking forward to seeing him play but he's still got to go out there and earn all of this praise that people are heaping on him.

Fred Warner says that Lance has looked great "in practice". Terrific let's hope that carries over onto the field. George Kittle says that Lance looks like he has a high ceiling, great let's see that demonstrated over the next couple of years. John Lynch and Kyle Shanahan have said they believe in Lance's ability to get the job done, glad to hear it because they gave up a lot to get him. Now all he has to do is get out on the field and prove it. All of those guys are in a position to know what they've seen, you're not, so the correct statement would be, "By most accounts Lance has demonstrated all of these specific traits he will need to succeed". It's the English teacher's son in me.

Dude all we have to go off of RIGHT NOW is college for the most part.

how is it not a fact that damn near every single person who's been around Lance talk about his intangibles? Show me a comment of him being a bad teammate. Not a leader. Bad worth ethic. Doesn't have high end football IQ? You wouldn't find any….you want to think that's all make believe fine. Be a hell of a conspiracy if that was all a lie imo.

Sounds like you don't want to discuss him and what info we have to go over…might as well just stay out of this thread all together until there's a full season of film to talk about then.

IMO it's been far more common in here to see posts like, "Lance can't beat players to the edge, he can't layer the football, he's "not ready", Lance was the worst QB in the draft, and so on.

My stance is that we should keep the same energy with those stances since Lance has yet to prove anything really.

Granted I'm talking specifically about the Webzone maybe Reddit or other forums are more homerish on Lance.
Originally posted by Waterbear:
IMO it's been far more common in here to see posts like, "Lance can't beat players to the edge, he can't layer the football, he's "not ready", Lance was the worst QB in the draft, and so on.

My stance is that we should keep the same energy with those stances since Lance has yet to prove anything really.

Granted I'm talking specifically about the Webzone maybe Reddit or other forums are more homerish on Lance.

All I've talked about is skill set and intangibles. The rest of the stuff is hard to address because imo we don't have much of a sample size to figure out what Is what good or bad.
[ Edited by NYniner85 on May 12, 2022 at 10:04 AM ]
Originally posted by 49ers81:
The last comment makes perfect sense. Whatever Lance accomplished in college doesn't really matter at this level. How many Heisman Trophy winning QB's who were all studs and BMOC during their college years have flamed out or turned into career back-ups at this level. To his credit, the teammates at NDSU who have had the opportunity to do so all seem to have spoken highly of him. He seems to have made a positive impression on his 49er teammates during the course of his practices and limited game play. All positives. But filling in for ten quarters is a lot different from being on the field for 17 games and carrying a lot of the weight of the team's expectations.

My issue, as always, is with people stating as fact something that they, personally, have no way of knowing is true or is based on incomplete information."Oh, he'll be an elite runner at this level". "Oh, he would have won as many games as Jimmy last year". "Oh, he'll do this or he'll do that and he'll probably be an MVP candidate this year". "Oh,look at this 7 yard crossing pattern he completed to an open receiver, wow he's amazing". It just never stops. I'm certainly looking forward to seeing him play but he's still got to go out there and earn all of this praise that people are heaping on him.

Fred Warner says that Lance has looked great "in practice". Terrific let's hope that carries over onto the field. George Kittle says that Lance looks like he has a high ceiling, great let's see that demonstrated over the next couple of years. John Lynch and Kyle Shanahan have said they believe in Lance's ability to get the job done, glad to hear it because they gave up a lot to get him. Now all he has to do is get out on the field and prove it. All of those guys are in a position to know what they've seen, you're not, so the correct statement would be, "By most accounts Lance has demonstrated all of these specific traits he will need to succeed". It's the English teacher's son in me.

Curious, do you make the same comments to people who say that "the 49ers had no chance of going as far as we did last year if Lance was the starter?" Or when someone makes comments like "its clear Lance isnt ready?" Because based on similar logic you just used, no one has any idea if that is true or false.
[ Edited by SteveWallacesHelmet on May 12, 2022 at 9:26 AM ]
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
With these statements, you obviously do not believe that having better talent at the WR position makes much of a difference.

I believe a good QB and scheme can help improve the receiving position. Do I think NE was top end there? No. Have they ever really been? No. Bill spent more cash on free agents then at any other point in his time there. They got back a lot players that opted out the yr prior.

Who cares how much money Bill spent in FA? Who cares how good or bad the defenses were? Herbert has the luxury of having 2x #1 receivers at his disposal. While Jones had a pair of number 2's/3's. Its not an apples to apples comparison. If Jones had Allen for 14 games and Williams for 15 games his rookie season, there is no reason to believe his performance wouldn't have been better. Maybe even on the same level as Herberts. To believe that the talent around the QB doesn't matter as long as you have a top 5 defense is stupid.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by Waterbear:
IMO it's been far more common in here to see posts like, "Lance can't beat players to the edge, he can't layer the football, he's "not ready", Lance was the worst QB in the draft, and so on.

My stance is that we should keep the same energy with those stances since Lance has yet to prove anything really.

Granted I'm talking specifically about the Webzone maybe Reddit or other forums are more homerish on Lance.

All I've takes about is skill set and intangibles. The rest of the stuff is hard to address because imo we don't have much of a sample size to figure out what Is what good or bad.

Yeah it's silly to temper a players skill set since it has nothing to do with how effective a player really is.

Jamarcus Russell had a great skill set. How did that work out for him?
Open Menu Search Share 49ersWebzone