Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Got the baby Trey last year. Gonna get the man Trey this year

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Right?! Outside of not being a 4 yr starter in college...he has damn near all the traits, intangibles, work ethic, leadership, skill set etc that you want in a QB in 2022. Like you said toss in Shanny and this roster, why the hell are we crying about some rando reporter that no one heard of before last week, instead of being jacked up for a new QB

s**t most fans have been waiting like 15 yrs for SF to make a move to draft a young high end QB( I have). We've been tossing out the likes of JTO, Trent Dilfer, Chris Weinke, Brian Hoyer, Mullens, Shaun Hill, Troy Smith, Blain Gabbert, Beathard for over a decade! We've fabricated what Jimmy is because all we've seen outside of a couple yrs of decent QB play from Smith/Kap is pure dogs**t at the QB position.

And you know this how? Because you were in the huddle with him for his year at NDSU, or because you read it somewhere and have decided it must be true? Not saying it isn't but the degree to which people in here will jump to believe anything good they read about Lance and dismiss anything bad they read is really something. What do they call that, confirmation bias. I hope he turns out to be everything people say but like most things in life, at some point you have to actually go out and earn your reputation where it counts, on the field and in the locker room during the course of a grueling NFL schedule.

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Thanks for making my point. Mac was throwing to 2nd and 3rd tier receivers all season.

Who made the decision to throw the ball?

Originally posted by 49ers81:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Right?! Outside of not being a 4 yr starter in college...he has damn near all the traits, intangibles, work ethic, leadership, skill set etc that you want in a QB in 2022. Like you said toss in Shanny and this roster, why the hell are we crying about some rando reporter that no one heard of before last week, instead of being jacked up for a new QB

s**t most fans have been waiting like 15 yrs for SF to make a move to draft a young high end QB( I have). We've been tossing out the likes of JTO, Trent Dilfer, Chris Weinke, Brian Hoyer, Mullens, Shaun Hill, Troy Smith, Blain Gabbert, Beathard for over a decade! We've fabricated what Jimmy is because all we've seen outside of a couple yrs of decent QB play from Smith/Kap is pure dogs**t at the QB position.

And you know this how? Because you were in the huddle with him for his year at NDSU, or because you read it somewhere and have decided it must be true? Not saying it isn't but the degree to which people in here will jump to believe anything good they read about Lance and dismiss anything bad they read is really something. What do they call that, confirmation bias. I hope he turns out to be everything people say but like most things in life, at some point you have to actually go out and earn your reputation where it counts, on the field and in the locker room during the course of a grueling NFL schedule.

It has to do with the source of the negative statements vs the source of the positive statements. What credible source has made a negative statement about Trey Lance?

Originally posted by NDSU:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Thanks for making my point. Mac was throwing to 2nd and 3rd tier receivers all season.

Who made the decision to throw the ball?

Jimmy made the decision to throw the ball or fumble the ball even though he has had solid weapons to throw to and to hand the ball off to.

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Baker and Kylar both had similar rookie seasons to Mac Jones. Do you think Herbert has the same type of rookie season if he had Meyers and Bourne as his top passing targets instead of Allen and Williams? Also, Who cares if the article was from 5 years ago? It still proves my point that Mac had a solid season for a rookie QB.

Why are you bringing up partial seasons from other rookie QB's? How are they even relevant to the conversation? Saying what could have been does not help your argument. The debate was whether Mac Jones had a solid season as a rookie QB. It wasn't a debate on whether or not Mac Jones will turn out to be another Tom Brady. Give credit where credit is due. He made some fantastic throws out there. Throws that Jimmy G still can't make.

Yes. Mac had some down moments last season. He threw some interceptions. So does every rookie QB who plays the entire season. No one comes out looking like Justin Herbert unless you have weapons like he has.

so then mayfield Murray must have had top 10 rookie yrs all the same. Herbert must have had the best of all time if we're going off just stats.

Mike Williams missed like half a dozen games in 2020. Allen missed multiple games. Their #2 receiver is the same guy the pats brought in this off season for Jones. Herbert also had a much worse OL and that D that gave up 27 pts per game…he did all that in a Covid season with tons of limitations in itself as well.

For context NE's D was 2nd best in the league in points allowed and 8th in rushing. LAC not even close there.

I'm bringing up partial seasons because it's not always on the QB if they start from day 1. Jones had to play better than a one armed Newton. NE was rolling with him right or wrong. O'Brien plays Watson from day 1 he's blowing away Jones stats.

my comment was Jones did nothing special this past season. That's it. You came in and tried to sell that he had a top 10 rookie season based off a couple stats. I will disagree. Plain and simple.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
In his defense, the pats defense took a massive s**t at the end of the year and couldn't stop anything. He was forced to carry the team and thats hard on any rookie. Inwas shocked to see a belichek led defense play that poorly.

How's that any different then Wilson/Lawrence/fields who we all said had horrible seasons? They were forced to put the team on their backs the whole time they played….it's much different to play QB when you're only allowing 13 pts per game to your opponent, running the ball well and constantly in the lead vs playing from behind and forced to make plays take chances a whole lot more.

Look I think Mac played about to the level I thought he would have YR1. I don't think he's a QB that gonna toss the team on his back or make those couple plays that separate him from the top tier guys.

I don't think you can judge any of the rookies after 1 year. The next 2 years are critical. I do think Lance and Wilson have the upper hand given both have the same play callers/system. It'll be hard for Mac, fields and Lawrence having to start all over again.

Originally posted by 49ers81:
And you know this how? Because you were in the huddle with him for his year at NDSU, or because you read it somewhere and have decided it must be true? Not saying it isn't but the degree to which people in here will jump to believe anything good they read about Lance and dismiss anything bad they read is really something. What do they call that, confirmation bias. I hope he turns out to be everything people say but like most things in life, at some point you have to actually go out and earn your reputation where it counts, on the field and in the locker room during the course of a grueling NFL schedule.

Because I've listen to what people across the board of have said about the kid… whether it's coaches, players or evaluators. It's not just one person either. What's the point in dozens of people lying about stuff like that?

as far as skill set we all watch what he did in college. There's no fabricating there.

I look at who's saying what & what they have to gain from saying such a thing either way. It's not hard to form objective assumptions about a player.

your last comment doesn't make sense…he did play on the field and earn that at NDSU. Now he's got to do it at the next level.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
I don't think you can judge any of the rookies after 1 year. The next 2 years are critical. I do think Lance and Wilson have the upper hand given both have the same play callers/system. It'll be hard for Mac, fields and Lawrence having to start all over again.

Nothing is gonna drastically change for Jones. They're not rolling out a completely new offense.

IMO where rookie QBs end up plays one of the biggest parts on if they succeed.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Baker and Kylar both had similar rookie seasons to Mac Jones. Do you think Herbert has the same type of rookie season if he had Meyers and Bourne as his top passing targets instead of Allen and Williams? Also, Who cares if the article was from 5 years ago? It still proves my point that Mac had a solid season for a rookie QB.

Why are you bringing up partial seasons from other rookie QB's? How are they even relevant to the conversation? Saying what could have been does not help your argument. The debate was whether Mac Jones had a solid season as a rookie QB. It wasn't a debate on whether or not Mac Jones will turn out to be another Tom Brady. Give credit where credit is due. He made some fantastic throws out there. Throws that Jimmy G still can't make.

Yes. Mac had some down moments last season. He threw some interceptions. So does every rookie QB who plays the entire season. No one comes out looking like Justin Herbert unless you have weapons like he has.

so then mayfield Murray must have had top 10 rookie yrs all the same. Herbert must have had the best of all time if we're going off just stats.

Mike Williams missed like half a dozen games in 2020. Allen missed multiple games. Their #2 receiver is the same guy the pats brought in this off season for Jones. Herbert also had a much worse OL and that D that gave up 27 pts per game…he did all that in a Covid season with tons of limitations in itself as well.

For context NE's D was 2nd best in the league in points allowed and 8th in rushing. LAC not even close there.

I'm bringing up partial seasons because it's not always on the QB if they start from day 1. Jones had to play better than a one armed Newton. NE was rolling with him right or wrong. O'Brien plays Watson from day 1 he's blowing away Jones stats.

my comment was Jones did nothing special this past season. That's it. You came in and tried to sell that he had a top 10 rookie season based off a couple stats. I will disagree. Plain and simple.

Actually, Henry was the number 3 for both Herbert and Jones as far as receptions and yards. Williams missed 1 game and Allen missed 2 games so there goes that argument. lol

I am not sure how Herbert having a s**tty defense helps your argument. It would mean that Herbert's numbers are more inflated because they had to pass the ball more.

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Actually, Henry was the number 3 for both Herbert and Jones as far as receptions and yards. Williams missed 1 game and Allen missed 2 games so there goes that argument. lol

Sorry Williams started in 11 games (see I can admit I'm wrong lol). Henry had more receptions than Williams in 2020 I believe.

good QBs make receivers better imo. Herbert was also forced to throw the ball much more than Jones because their D sucked and their run game wasn't top 10 like NEs.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
I don't think you can judge any of the rookies after 1 year. The next 2 years are critical. I do think Lance and Wilson have the upper hand given both have the same play callers/system. It'll be hard for Mac, fields and Lawrence having to start all over again.

Nothing is gonna drastically change for Jones. They're not rolling out a completely new offense.

IMO where rookie QBs end up plays one of the biggest parts on if they succeed.

Maybe, but having different play callers can really f**k with a young qb. I still have nightmares for poor Alex Smith. Mccarthy year 1, norv year 2, and I believe Jimmy Raye year 3.

I just looked it up

Mccarthy
Norv
Hostler
Martz
Raye

Originally posted by YACBros85:

I am not sure how Herbert having a s**tty defense helps your argument. It would mean that Herbert's numbers are more inflated because they had to pass the ball more.

it's showing he had to put the team on his back. He wasn't allowed to let the team around him prop him up….when the NE D started to collapse down the stretch Jones started playing worse.

it also shows that watching the games are a little more important than just looking at stats.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Maybe, but having different play callers can really f**k with a young qb. I still have nightmares for poor Alex Smith. Mccarthy year 1, norv year 2, and I believe Jimmy Raye year 3.

Lance has a "different play caller" this yr too then. McDaniels was the OC. Point is nothing is gonna change for Jones/Lance overall.

yeah Alex smith legit had different offenses and verbiage to learn for like 7 yrs or some s**t

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Actually, Henry was the number 3 for both Herbert and Jones as far as receptions and yards. Williams missed 1 game and Allen missed 2 games so there goes that argument. lol

Sorry Williams started in 11 games. Henry had more receptions than Williams in 2020 I believe.

good QBs make receivers better imo. Herbert was also forced to throw the ball much more than Jones because their D sucked and their run game wasn't top 10 like NEs.

Henry had 12 more receptions but Williams had over 100 more yards. I agree. Herberts numbers were inflated because of a s**tty D. How is that a knock on Mac? Allen and Williams have proved to be solid receiving targets for multiple QB's now. To say that Bourne and Meyers would be on the same level as Allen and Williams if they had say Mahomes throwing them the ball is just ludicrous.