Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by SinceXVI:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Check this article out.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2016/10/11/best-rookie-quarterback-seasons-nfl-history#gid=ci02554df250032580&pid=10-peyton-manning-colts-1998

Mac Jones

67.6% comp 3,801 yards 22 TD's 13 INT's 92.5 passer rating. Compare Mac's stats to the likes of Peyton Manning, Andrew Luck, Andy Dalton, Cam Newton and Big Ben.

I'll just drop this here.

Mac Jones pic.twitter.com/GVzswnFnPt

— Ian Hartitz (@Ihartitz) May 10, 2022

Not too shabby for a "noodle armed" rookie QB. Anyone arguing that Mac didn't have a very good rookie year shouldn't be taken serious lol

Pfft, those are nice highlights, but he's no Josh Allen:

But Bills mafia tells you he's the savior 😭 pic.twitter.com/wvQQH1coyC

— Nick ✊ (@MileHigh_Nick) March 18, 2020

Yeah, not a bad season for either a rook or a vet, but as someone else pointed out he's Andy Dalton 2.0.

Glad that him and Trey are in situations best suited for their respective talents. Jones will thrive next year with speedsters Tyquan Thornton and Pierre Strong Jr.

And if the offensive line permits, Trey will be leading one of Kyle Shanahan's most explosive offenses.

I don't think so. I think he's ceiling is almost as high as the athletically gifted QBs. He could be really good, if he improves what he's already good at. He has a very wide arsenal of passes, and just enough arm strength to make them all useful. In addition, the pocket movement is very, very nice.

But his ceiling isn't Lance's ceiling.

Tom bradys ceiling was.never going to be Josh Allen's ceiling. Montanas ceiling was never going to be Elways ceiling. Athleticism amd rocket arms don't make superbowl winning qbs. There's that determination and competitiveness, and attitude that you can't teach.

It's true, but Trey seems to factor very highly against those traits, as well as having the Athleticism and rocket arm, surely that's a winning formula?

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by SinceXVI:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Check this article out.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2016/10/11/best-rookie-quarterback-seasons-nfl-history#gid=ci02554df250032580&pid=10-peyton-manning-colts-1998

Mac Jones

67.6% comp 3,801 yards 22 TD's 13 INT's 92.5 passer rating. Compare Mac's stats to the likes of Peyton Manning, Andrew Luck, Andy Dalton, Cam Newton and Big Ben.

I'll just drop this here.

Mac Jones pic.twitter.com/GVzswnFnPt

— Ian Hartitz (@Ihartitz) May 10, 2022

Not too shabby for a "noodle armed" rookie QB. Anyone arguing that Mac didn't have a very good rookie year shouldn't be taken serious lol

Pfft, those are nice highlights, but he's no Josh Allen:

But Bills mafia tells you he's the savior 😭 pic.twitter.com/wvQQH1coyC

— Nick ✊ (@MileHigh_Nick) March 18, 2020

Yeah, not a bad season for either a rook or a vet, but as someone else pointed out he's Andy Dalton 2.0.

Glad that him and Trey are in situations best suited for their respective talents. Jones will thrive next year with speedsters Tyquan Thornton and Pierre Strong Jr.

And if the offensive line permits, Trey will be leading one of Kyle Shanahan's most explosive offenses.

I don't think so. I think he's ceiling is almost as high as the athletically gifted QBs. He could be really good, if he improves what he's already good at. He has a very wide arsenal of passes, and just enough arm strength to make them all useful. In addition, the pocket movement is very, very nice.

But his ceiling isn't Lance's ceiling.

Tom bradys ceiling was.never going to be Josh Allen's ceiling. Montanas ceiling was never going to be Elways ceiling. Athleticism amd rocket arms don't make superbowl winning qbs. There's that determination and competitiveness, and attitude that you can't teach.

It's true, but Trey seems to factor very highly against those traits, as well as having the Athleticism and rocket arm, surely that's a winning formula?

True. Only time will tell.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Tom bradys ceiling was.never going to be Josh Allen's ceiling. Montanas ceiling was never going to be Elways ceiling. Athleticism amd rocket arms don't make superbowl winning qbs. There's that determination and competitiveness, and attitude that you can't teach.

And from everything we've heard about Lance that was in itself part of the reason they drafted him. Never mind the top end skill set.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Tom bradys ceiling was.never going to be Josh Allen's ceiling. Montanas ceiling was never going to be Elways ceiling. Athleticism amd rocket arms don't make superbowl winning qbs. There's that determination and competitiveness, and attitude that you can't teach.

And from everything we've heard about Lance that was in itself part of the reason they drafted him. Never mind the top end skill set.

One thing I'm curious to see is how he handles pressure moments. Game on the line. Such an important trait. Will he buckle? Will he be calm and cool? I don't think he's been in that position before so it's hard to measure. He did have that before the half drive vs Houston to get that field goal, which was impressive.

Originally posted by NDSU:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Yes that doesn't mean he was getting 20 carries a game though like some in here think. Outside that JMU game, his highest number of carries in a game was 18. He had games were he ran the ball like 3 or 4 times just as well.

Trevor Lawrence in 2019 ran the ball 103 times. Steve young had over 100 carries in multiple years at BYU. Steve McNair had multiple seasons at Akron with over 100 carries (in like 11 games). Mahomes last two yrs he ran the ball 130+ times and that was in seasons of 11 and 12 games (Trey had 16 games). Josh Allen in his breakout yr in college ran 142x in 14 games... All kinds of "athletic" QBs use their legs to win games at the college.

Lamar Jackson had over 260 and 240 rushing attempts his last two yrs in college. It was a one read an go type of offense. That is most certainly not the same as NDSU.

Just because Lance ran for a ton of yards per carry doesn't mean he was used like Jackson. All those other dudes ran the ball a f**k ton, they just weren't as good at doing it compared to Lance.

NDSU ran the same run play 8 times in a row (dont recall which team, UNI maybe) and scored on that drive.
It was really pretty hilarious.

Yeah can't blame them kyle would of the same damn thing.

like I said just because he was more efficient at running the ball doesn't mean he ran it a ton more than a lot of other college QBs either.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
yep, agreed. Tough to take you serious when regarding Mac.

You think I'd be having a fit over Lance doing any of that. Like you are now. Yeah, okay. lol

Nah I actually watch the NE games you clearly don't. No you most certainly would have a fit if he ended the season going 1-4 with 7 INTS and getting pissed pounded in the playoffs. We'd be hearing about it no stop in here.

you think this is me having a fit

The only real game where Jones made big boy throws into contested areas was his Cleveland game.

People friggin brain washed last year with the Mac Jones hype because of the Tom Brady game. Now I'm not going to bash the guy he played well in the rain and he made the plays he needed to make but most of the stuff was easy and wide open.

People somehow forget there were games where he looked like garbage vs the better defenses and get too caught up in his completion %.

We all knew Jones was advanced as far as reading the field and doing some of the more fundamental stuff for the position. So him being in an offense where the OC works to give him easy looks and has no problem marching down the field 4 yards at a time him having a high completion % isn't shocking. This is basically what we have with Garoppolo. Someone who can play well within a good system but if the running game and defense are having off days it's a lot to ask him to carry the offense. It doesn't mean he cant do it at all but it's not a good bet to expect it.

Trey just needs the experience. By all accounts he's very smart and someone who can grasp a complicated offense quickly and at a young age(teaching upper classmen the NDSU offense as a freshman). People shouldn't be shocked if he didn't have 100% of Kyle's offense down through training camp or even at the end of the season. I think the playcalling in his two starts were partly indicative that he was able to run more of the offense. But do we have to remember the leap someone like Matt Ryan took in his 2nd season with Kyle? And that was an NFL QB who had over 100 starts under his belt.

There will be growing pains with Trey but people need to understand that. I think he can definitely do the same thing as Mac Jones with time and experience. Mac Jones cannot do some of the things Trey Lance can do with any amount of experience or time. And that's why we drafted Trey and not Mac.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Tom bradys ceiling was.never going to be Josh Allen's ceiling. Montanas ceiling was never going to be Elways ceiling. Athleticism amd rocket arms don't make superbowl winning qbs. There's that determination and competitiveness, and attitude that you can't teach.

And from everything we've heard about Lance that was in itself part of the reason they drafted him. Never mind the top end skill set.

One thing I'm curious to see is how he handles pressure moments. Game on the line. Such an important trait. Will he buckle? Will he be calm and cool? I don't think he's been in that position before so it's hard to measure. He did have that before the half drive vs Houston to get that field goal, which was impressive.

I think Trey is going to be dynamic - I have that much confidence in the kid.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
1-4 his last 5 games with 7 INTS he got worse and played a bunch of butt teams in the middle of the season. I actually watched his games not a couple highlights.

In his defense, the pats defense took a massive s**t at the end of the year and couldn't stop anything. He was forced to carry the team and thats hard on any rookie. Inwas shocked to see a belichek led defense play that poorly.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
One thing I'm curious to see is how he handles pressure moments. Game on the line. Such an important trait. Will he buckle? Will he be calm and cool? I don't think he's been in that position before so it's hard to measure. He did have that before the half drive vs Houston to get that field goal, which was impressive.

No doubt. I don't think a lot of young college QB were in that position either though. Jones played for Bama and was constantly the better team off the bus. Wilson lost his one meaningful game vs costal. Lawrence had those moments, but I don't think he got vastly better from his freshman yr. Fields game vs Clemson was amazing. That was a pressure moment for me.

they all need more reps and to be put in those positions. Should be interesting and fun to watch.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
1)I have not once seen you admit when you are wrong, ever. Because you always believe you are right. Even when the evidence proves otherwise.

2) I didn't know you were a fortune teller. There is no way to say one way or the other what Mac Jones career will look like. He could end up having a Peyton Manning type career or he could end up having an Andy Dalton type career. The jury is still out on him.

3) You made a statement about this past season and I responded with the top rookie performances in NFL history that show Mac was comparable to those. Then you move the goal posts and start bringing up your fortune telling predictions for his career. Meaning, you lost the argument about what type of season Mac really had so you moved on to a subject that is well, subjective. Because you cannot observe something that hasn't happened yet.

1. This is completely false. Go read about my takes on Solomon Thomas and then admitting my evaluation on him being wrong. Go read my takes on Mahomes, I thought he was raw as s**t with horrible mechanics and played in a scheme that doesn't translate to the NFL. I had no problem admitting I was wrong there. I thought Josh Rosen was gonna be a damn good QB. You can evaluate the player from a skill set but know nothing about the player. those are just a couple off the top of my head I went to bat for and was wrong and have no problem admitting I was wrong….I then learn from that and change how I value these prospects.

so yeah not my fault you didn't see those posts, but they're there. I disagree with you stance on McCorkle. You provided a article from 5 yrs ago. Where's Baker/Herbert/Murray? Also not every rookie played a full season which imo changes stats all together. Watson gets a full season he's blowing away those stats if Lamar Jackson plays a whole yr he's in that discussion etc.

Damn near everything we talk about in here is subjective. Tossing out a couple stats doesn't prove anything imo.

Baker and Kylar both had similar rookie seasons to Mac Jones. Do you think Herbert has the same type of rookie season if he had Meyers and Bourne as his top passing targets instead of Allen and Williams? Also, Who cares if the article was from 5 years ago? It still proves my point that Mac had a solid season for a rookie QB.

Why are you bringing up partial seasons from other rookie QB's? How are they even relevant to the conversation? Saying what could have been does not help your argument. The debate was whether Mac Jones had a solid season as a rookie QB. It wasn't a debate on whether or not Mac Jones will turn out to be another Tom Brady. Give credit where credit is due. He made some fantastic throws out there. Throws that Jimmy G still can't make.

Yes. Mac had some down moments last season. He threw some interceptions. So does every rookie QB who plays the entire season. No one comes out looking like Justin Herbert unless you have weapons like he has.

Mac's biggest red flag is turnovers. Averages 1 per game. Thats how you lose.
You should never write off any first year QBs. They all have holes in their games. The good ones can fix the holes.
Trevor Lawrence probably had the worst rookie year out of this batch of QBs.
Im not sure he can be fixed.

Originally posted by NDSU:
Mac's biggest red flag is turnovers. Averages 1 per game. Thats how you lose.
You should never write off any first year QBs. They all have holes in their games. The good ones can fix the holes.

If that is true than why is Jimmy's win percentage so high?

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
In his defense, the pats defense took a massive s**t at the end of the year and couldn't stop anything. He was forced to carry the team and thats hard on any rookie. Inwas shocked to see a belichek led defense play that poorly.

How's that any different then Wilson/Lawrence/fields who we all said had horrible seasons? They were forced to put the team on their backs the whole time they played….it's much different to play QB when you're only allowing 13 pts per game to your opponent, running the ball well and constantly in the lead vs playing from behind and forced to make plays take chances a whole lot more.

Look I think Mac played about to the level I thought he would have YR1. I don't think he's a QB that gonna toss the team on his back or make those couple plays that separate him from the top tier guys.

Originally posted by YACBros85:
If that is true than why is Jimmy's win percentage so high?

Thats easy.

Originally posted by NDSU:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
If that is true than why is Jimmy's win percentage so high?

Thats easy.

Thanks for making my point. Mac was throwing to 2nd and 3rd tier receivers all season.