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Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
The concern would be about things that work ethic and practice don't often fix. For example, with Jimmy, he will probably be forever damned to not see the field well post-snap, and throw picks over the middle. That's something about how his brain ties to his eyes. It's hard to fix something like that.

What has me hopeful for Trey is that in college, he'd sit there and wait before throwing to a guy he clearly had already seen open, maybe trying to get the opportune passing lane or something, or maybe having a weak dynamic intuitive vision, I don't know. But, he seems to have sped that up some last year. Which tells me there is hope.

Now, regarding his release, fundamentals and all that, he'll likely be able to make some progress, but again that's one of the things were it's rare for a guy to completely revamp himself.

So, ultimately, the only question with Lance is if his critical weaknesses are weaknesses he can solve (and again, sometimes that has nothing to do with drive, desire, work ethic and intelligence). If he can, the guy is going to be an elite QB.

Everybody has something. Even the great ones. Right?

They said that Montana was too small, that he'd get hurt, he'd get banged up, but that... that didn't seem to matter, did it? A lot of people said that Elway was too strong, that he threw too hard, didn't have touch, but that didn't seem to matter either, did it? And pretty much everyone agreed that Peyton didn't have the arm strength, that he couldn't throw deep. But somehow, none of it seemed to matter.

You get where I'm going here, guys? We need to find out what Trey Lance's "something" is. Then figure out if it matters or not. All right? Figure out if it's something we can live with.
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Maiocco doesn't buy the reports about the team being underwhelmed.
Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Maiocco doesn't buy the reports about the team being underwhelmed.

I mean they said it themselves so I don't know why people grasping at reports from nobody's
^But the ones who are pushing the narrative (in here) has a common denominator so I understand the nonsense
Originally posted by NDSU:
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
He ran for 1,100 yards in one season. For a QB thats pretty considerable yardage on the ground. Allen in college didn't go above 500 in any season. Mahomes had less. Even for NDSU that's a lot of yards on the ground. Wentz never had more than 600. At least in college, his use was closer to a Lamar Jackson.
Trey Lance 2019
Over 16 games.
169 rushes total.
Avg ~10 rush attempts per game. Figure 2 were scrambles. 8 rushes per game is pretty average for a NDSU QB.
Its not his fault that he was good at it and his average yards are higher. 30 were against JMU in the final.

Well yes. There is a difference between "rushing alot" and "rushing FOR alot." The amount of yards you ran for in a season doesn't really tell me that u were used to run the ball a whole lot.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Good luck with that lmao

I have no problem admitting I'm wrong when I'm actually wrong about something. Mac isn't gonna be some elite QB imo. He wasn't worth moving up for or using the 12th overall pick. I would rather have drafted Mills (which I said before the draft) if that's the type of QB you want.

1)I have not once seen you admit when you are wrong, ever. Because you always believe you are right. Even when the evidence proves otherwise.

2) I didn't know you were a fortune teller. There is no way to say one way or the other what Mac Jones career will look like. He could end up having a Peyton Manning type career or he could end up having an Andy Dalton type career. The jury is still out on him.

3) You made a statement about this past season and I responded with the top rookie performances in NFL history that show Mac was comparable to those. Then you move the goal posts and start bringing up your fortune telling predictions for his career. Meaning, you lost the argument about what type of season Mac really had so you moved on to a subject that is well, subjective. Because you cannot observe something that hasn't happened yet.
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Check this article out.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2016/10/11/best-rookie-quarterback-seasons-nfl-history#gid=ci02554df250032580&pid=10-peyton-manning-colts-1998

Mac Jones

67.6% comp 3,801 yards 22 TD's 13 INT's 92.5 passer rating. Compare Mac's stats to the likes of Peyton Manning, Andrew Luck, Andy Dalton, Cam Newton and Big Ben.

I'll just drop this here.


Not too shabby for a "noodle armed" rookie QB. Anyone arguing that Mac didn't have a very good rookie year shouldn't be taken serious lol

Pfft, those are nice highlights, but he's no Josh Allen:


I hope this tweet n ever gets deleted. It's legendary.
Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Dude, we didn't invest in him. You stated that he did nothing special. I point out that his performance was comparable to many of the top rookie QB seasons of NFL history. You lost the argument and you refuse to accept it. I like you NY. You are a great poster on this forum. However, your biggest flaw is admitting when you are wrong and just move on.

Good luck with that lmao

He's admitted he was wrong more than you people did about Super Bowl winning QB and "loser" who just "doesn't win" Matthew Stafford.
Originally posted by SinceXVI:
Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Check this article out.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2016/10/11/best-rookie-quarterback-seasons-nfl-history#gid=ci02554df250032580&pid=10-peyton-manning-colts-1998

Mac Jones

67.6% comp 3,801 yards 22 TD's 13 INT's 92.5 passer rating. Compare Mac's stats to the likes of Peyton Manning, Andrew Luck, Andy Dalton, Cam Newton and Big Ben.

I'll just drop this here.


Not too shabby for a "noodle armed" rookie QB. Anyone arguing that Mac didn't have a very good rookie year shouldn't be taken serious lol

Pfft, those are nice highlights, but he's no Josh Allen:



Yeah, not a bad season for either a rook or a vet, but as someone else pointed out he's Andy Dalton 2.0.

Glad that him and Trey are in situations best suited for their respective talents. Jones will thrive next year with speedsters Tyquan Thornton and Pierre Strong Jr.

And if the offensive line permits, Trey will be leading one of Kyle Shanahan's most explosive offenses.

I don't think so. I think he's ceiling is almost as high as the athletically gifted QBs. He could be really good, if he improves what he's already good at. He has a very wide arsenal of passes, and just enough arm strength to make them all useful. In addition, the pocket movement is very, very nice.

But his ceiling isn't Lance's ceiling.
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Dude, we didn't invest in him. You stated that he did nothing special. I point out that his performance was comparable to many of the top rookie QB seasons of NFL history. You lost the argument and you refuse to accept it. I like you NY. You are a great poster on this forum. However, your biggest flaw is admitting when you are wrong and just move on.

Good luck with that lmao

He's admitted he was wrong more than you people did about Super Bowl winning QB and "loser" who just "doesn't win" Matthew Stafford.

I am guessing you are responding to bay2bay exclusively because I never posted my opinion on that subject. For what its worth, I've always liked Stafford. He put up good numbers year after year inspite of him being on a bottom feeder team.
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Dude, we didn't invest in him. You stated that he did nothing special. I point out that his performance was comparable to many of the top rookie QB seasons of NFL history. You lost the argument and you refuse to accept it. I like you NY. You are a great poster on this forum. However, your biggest flaw is admitting when you are wrong and just move on.

Good luck with that lmao

He's admitted he was wrong more than you people did about Super Bowl winning QB and "loser" who just "doesn't win" Matthew Stafford.

I am guessing you are responding to bay2bay exclusively because I never posted my opinion on that subject. For what its worth, I've always liked Stafford. He put up good numbers year after year inspite of him being on a bottom feeder team.

I was talking to him, but it doesn't even necessarily apply to him. Just the Jimmy Club guys who refused to admit there was another QB in the NFL better than Jimmy.

But I do think Jones can be one of the better, even possibly elite QBs in the league (in the way that Rivers, Brees, Brady and Manning were). As I said in my other post, he has a large set of passes, he's accurate, he moves well in the pocket, he's pretty good under pressure. It's simply a matter of whether or not he can improve all the things he's good at, and take it to the next level.

But he'll never have Lance's ceiling. Lance has the physical ability to be RoboQB, so long as he improves all his weaknesses and continues to master the NFL game.
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Dude, we didn't invest in him. You stated that he did nothing special. I point out that his performance was comparable to many of the top rookie QB seasons of NFL history. You lost the argument and you refuse to accept it. I like you NY. You are a great poster on this forum. However, your biggest flaw is admitting when you are wrong and just move on.

Good luck with that lmao

He's admitted he was wrong more than you people did about Super Bowl winning QB and "loser" who just "doesn't win" Matthew Stafford.

I am guessing you are responding to bay2bay exclusively because I never posted my opinion on that subject. For what its worth, I've always liked Stafford. He put up good numbers year after year inspite of him being on a bottom feeder team.

I was talking to him, but it doesn't even necessarily apply to him. Just the Jimmy Club guys who refused to admit there was another QB in the NFL better than Jimmy.

But I do think Jones can be one of the better, even possibly elite QBs in the league (in the way that Rivers, Brees, Brady and Manning were). As I said in my other post, he has a large set of passes, he's accurate, he moves well in the pocket, he's pretty good under pressure. It's simply a matter of whether or not he can improve all the things he's good at, and take it to the next level.

But he'll never have Lance's ceiling. Lance has the physical ability to be RoboQB, so long as he improves all his weaknesses and continues to master the NFL game.

I agree. Mac doesn't have the ceiling Trey Lance has. Yes. Mac is an unfinished product. None of last years draft class are finished products. However, its mind boggling the lengths some will go to down play Mac's rookie season. Mac may end up having an Andy Dalton type career but he could also end up having a Peyton Manning type career. Only time will tell. It may just be my bias but I would rather have Trey Lance over Mac. I just felt like I needed to give credit where credit is due when it came to Mac's rookie season.
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Dude, we didn't invest in him. You stated that he did nothing special. I point out that his performance was comparable to many of the top rookie QB seasons of NFL history. You lost the argument and you refuse to accept it. I like you NY. You are a great poster on this forum. However, your biggest flaw is admitting when you are wrong and just move on.

Good luck with that lmao

He's admitted he was wrong more than you people did about Super Bowl winning QB and "loser" who just "doesn't win" Matthew Stafford.

I am guessing you are responding to bay2bay exclusively because I never posted my opinion on that subject. For what its worth, I've always liked Stafford. He put up good numbers year after year inspite of him being on a bottom feeder team.

I was talking to him, but it doesn't even necessarily apply to him. Just the Jimmy Club guys who refused to admit there was another QB in the NFL better than Jimmy.

But I do think Jones can be one of the better, even possibly elite QBs in the league (in the way that Rivers, Brees, Brady and Manning were). As I said in my other post, he has a large set of passes, he's accurate, he moves well in the pocket, he's pretty good under pressure. It's simply a matter of whether or not he can improve all the things he's good at, and take it to the next level.

But he'll never have Lance's ceiling. Lance has the physical ability to be RoboQB, so long as he improves all his weaknesses and continues to master the NFL game.

I agree. Mac doesn't have the ceiling Trey Lance has. Yes. Mac is an unfinished product. None of last years draft class are finished products. However, its mind boggling the lengths some will go to down play Mac's rookie season. Mac may end up having an Andy Dalton type career but he could also end up having a Peyton Manning type career. Only time will tell. It may just be my bias but I would rather have Trey Lance over Mac. I just felt like I needed to give credit where credit is due when it came to Mac's rookie season.
I agree with this, too, and the reason is because unlike most of Lance's uninformed critics, I'm aware that he is perfectly capable of playing within the structure of an offense. Just because he was late to see something one or two times after throwing maybe 600 passes in his entire life doesn't mean he always fails to see something in time. He's green. But there were plenty of times where he saw it, reacted, and made the play, like this famous one:

[ Edited by 5_Golden_Rings on May 12, 2022 at 5:36 AM ]
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Originally posted by SinceXVI:
Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Check this article out.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2016/10/11/best-rookie-quarterback-seasons-nfl-history#gid=ci02554df250032580&pid=10-peyton-manning-colts-1998

Mac Jones

67.6% comp 3,801 yards 22 TD's 13 INT's 92.5 passer rating. Compare Mac's stats to the likes of Peyton Manning, Andrew Luck, Andy Dalton, Cam Newton and Big Ben.

I'll just drop this here.


Not too shabby for a "noodle armed" rookie QB. Anyone arguing that Mac didn't have a very good rookie year shouldn't be taken serious lol

Pfft, those are nice highlights, but he's no Josh Allen:



Yeah, not a bad season for either a rook or a vet, but as someone else pointed out he's Andy Dalton 2.0.

Glad that him and Trey are in situations best suited for their respective talents. Jones will thrive next year with speedsters Tyquan Thornton and Pierre Strong Jr.

And if the offensive line permits, Trey will be leading one of Kyle Shanahan's most explosive offenses.

I don't think so. I think he's ceiling is almost as high as the athletically gifted QBs. He could be really good, if he improves what he's already good at. He has a very wide arsenal of passes, and just enough arm strength to make them all useful. In addition, the pocket movement is very, very nice.

But his ceiling isn't Lance's ceiling.

Tom bradys ceiling was.never going to be Josh Allen's ceiling. Montanas ceiling was never going to be Elways ceiling. Athleticism amd rocket arms don't make superbowl winning qbs. There's that determination and competitiveness, and attitude that you can't teach.
Originally posted by YACBros85:
1)I have not once seen you admit when you are wrong, ever. Because you always believe you are right. Even when the evidence proves otherwise.

2) I didn't know you were a fortune teller. There is no way to say one way or the other what Mac Jones career will look like. He could end up having a Peyton Manning type career or he could end up having an Andy Dalton type career. The jury is still out on him.

3) You made a statement about this past season and I responded with the top rookie performances in NFL history that show Mac was comparable to those. Then you move the goal posts and start bringing up your fortune telling predictions for his career. Meaning, you lost the argument about what type of season Mac really had so you moved on to a subject that is well, subjective. Because you cannot observe something that hasn't happened yet.

1. This is completely false. Go read about my takes on Solomon Thomas and then admitting my evaluation on him being wrong. Go read my takes on Mahomes, I thought he was raw as s**t with horrible mechanics and played in a scheme that doesn't translate to the NFL. I had no problem admitting I was wrong there. I thought Josh Rosen was gonna be a damn good QB. You can evaluate the player from a skill set but know nothing about the player. those are just a couple off the top of my head I went to bat for and was wrong and have no problem admitting I was wrong….I then learn from that and change how I value these prospects.

so yeah not my fault you didn't see those posts, but they're there. I disagree with you stance on McCorkle. You provided a article from 5 yrs ago. Where's Baker/Herbert/Murray? Also not every rookie played a full season which imo changes stats all together. Watson gets a full season he's blowing away those stats if Lamar Jackson plays a whole yr he's in that discussion etc.

Damn near everything we talk about in here is subjective. Tossing out a couple stats doesn't prove anything imo. I physically watched a ton of their games just because of where I live and the people I watch games with.
[ Edited by NYniner85 on May 12, 2022 at 7:19 AM ]
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