Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Two years to sit isn't going to help him or the team long term. One year to sit and one year to cut his teeth (this year) is what needs to happen. 2022 is all about young guys contributing anyway. The window was last year. Now is the rebirth year. It will be a team building fail of epic proportions if any more of Lance's career is wasted on the bench, whether he's "ready" or not.

Yes, the primary window was last year but this year should not face a closed window. I rate the team overall as roughly equal to last year. Lost a couple here and added a couple there. The opportunity is still there.

We do agree on the fact it is time to throw Lance into the deep end of the pool and watch him learn to swim. There will be some good times, and there will be some UGLY times. That is what happens when an inexperienced QB is learning how to apply his abilities. As a mod, I just pray the Niner Talk implosions will be infrequent (small chance of that).

I just feel like, whatever hope we have is already resting on the backs of the young guys. We need guys like Kinlaw to finally produce. Our guys drafted the last three years or so.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
One thing I'm hoping he will improve on is the short to medium game. Sustained drives. I think thats what made made Jimmy successful when he was here. If you're sustaining drives, you're tiring and frustrating the other team. While I appreciate the homeruns and the big play potential, which is something we really lacked with Jimmy, ball controlled offense is such a huge part of getting the W.

My crackpot QB rating formula has 1D% as the most important contribution, because the win correlation of moving the chains is the highest among all the stats I considered. /shameless plug.

https://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/nfl/196068-new-homegrown-rating-metric-jimmy-controversially-ranks-12th/
(still a work in progress, of course)

I fully agree with Cortez here. Thr quick hits aren't as exciting but they are just as if not more important. Gotta hit the short intermediates to move the chains. I think he will.

Originally posted by NDSU:
On a lighter note:



TREY LANCE WAS 5 years old when Carlton and Angie Lance prepared for a big Saturday morning at the local park. Carlton, a former Canadian Football League defensive back who is a Hall of Famer at Southwest Minnesota State University in Marshall, plotted it out: He and Trey would head to the park with Trey's bike, whereupon Carlton would remove the training wheels and proceed to teach the older of his two sons how to ride on two wheels.
"Oh, it was a big deal," Angie says. "A really big deal."

They got to the park, shed the extra wheels and set about the task of some serious bonding. "OK, buddy," Carlton said. "You can do this." He walked next to his son and held his hand on the seat and did all the dad things you're supposed to do until he realized -- about five seconds into this big deal -- that he was even less essential than the training wheels. Trey sped out of his grasp and rode around the park like he was ready for a unicycle. They'd been gone about 10 minutes when Carlton and Trey returned to the house.

Angie met Carlton at the door. "What happened?" she whispered, just in case it had gone badly. Carlton shrugged. "Nothing -- Trey can ride a bike now."

But can he ride a bike at the professional level

I hope Lance doesn't suck as much as the media is making him out to

Originally posted by hondakillerzx:
I hope Lance doesn't suck as much as the media is making him out to

One guy isn't "the media." Even two guys don't constitute "the media," assuming you count Simms. The media repeating what one guy said doesn't mean there's some widespread belief that Trey sucks.

Originally posted by northoakland510:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
It's also most of 49er twitter that actually did go to camp that said Simms is full of s**t.

Guys like Jason Aponte, Javier Vega, Kyle Posey, John Middlekauff, Guy Haberman, Brad Graham, Jordan Elliott and even our own beat writers.

Yea they all took offense because he wasn't even there.

and he talked about the Chargers/49ers joint practice....but what actually came out of that camp was Charger players laughing at the idea of Jimmy getting paid all that cash and doing what he was doing in practices

Yeah, Kyle, who probably still has nightmares about the missed deep throw to Emmanuel Sanders, really wanted Mac Jones over Lance.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by NDSU:
The only time Lance ran a lot at NDSU was against JMU in the Championship. JMU was not prepared for it and lost.

He ran for 1,100 yards in one season. For a QB thats pretty considerable yardage on the ground. Allen in college didn't go above 500 in any season. Mahomes had less. Even for NDSU that's a lot of yards on the ground. Wentz never had more than 600. At least in college, his use was closer to a Lamar Jackson.

Yes that doesn't mean he was getting 20 carries a game though like some in here think. Outside that JMU game, his highest number of carries in a game was 18. He had games were he ran the ball like 3 or 4 times just as well.

Trevor Lawrence in 2019 ran the ball 103 times. Steve young had over 100 carries in multiple years at BYU. Steve McNair had multiple seasons at Akron with over 100 carries (in like 11 games). Mahomes last two yrs he ran the ball 130+ times and that was in seasons of 11 and 12 games (Trey had 16 games). Josh Allen in his breakout yr in college ran 142x in 14 games... All kinds of "athletic" QBs use their legs to win games at the college.

Lamar Jackson had over 260 and 240 rushing attempts his last two yrs in college. It was a one read an go type of offense. That is most certainly not the same as NDSU.

Just because Lance ran for a ton of yards per carry doesn't mean he was used like Jackson. All those other dudes ran the ball a f**k ton, they just weren't as good at doing it compared to Lance.

Originally posted by NDSU:
Trey Lance 2019
Over 16 games.
169 rushes total.
Avg ~10 rush attempts per game. Figure 2 were scrambles. 8 rushes per game is pretty average for a NDSU QB.
Its not his fault that he was good at it and his average yards are higher. 30 were against JMU in the final.

Quincy Patterson 2021
Over 14 games
113 rushes total.
Avg ~8 rush attempts per game.

Easton Stick 2018
Over 15 games.
117 rushes total.
Avg ~8 rush attempts per game.

Carson Wentz 2014
Over 16 games
138 rushes total.
Avg ~8 rush attempts per game.

Not trying to argue, just putting out the facts

Also let's look at other college QBs and their carries (post#35090)...they ran the ball a s**t ton all the same. Lamar was on a different level at like 260/240 rushing attempts his last two seasons.

Originally posted by SinceXVI:

Starting the Trey Lance charting thread with a Russell Wilson-esque rainbow of a deep ball. pic.twitter.com/SEtXKKQ48v

— Derrik Klassen (@QBKlass) January 8, 2021

Here's Mac Jones' passing chart on the season.

The middle and deep areas are, unsurprisingly, where he's below league average. Josh McDaniels seems to be pushing Jones to grow there. But in the meantime, the Patriots know where to go to keep Jones comfy. pic.twitter.com/SCwniemIGj

— Henry Coffey McKenna (@McKennAnalysis) November 9, 2021

Yeah, Kyle, who probably still has nightmares about the missed deep throw to Emmanuel Sanders, really wanted Mac Jones over Lance.

This is where I really disagree. That chart is clearly skewed. I've watched Mac Jones and he has a very beautiful and accurate deep pass with touch. I think the problem with him is the arm strength and immobility.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by SinceXVI:

Starting the Trey Lance charting thread with a Russell Wilson-esque rainbow of a deep ball. pic.twitter.com/SEtXKKQ48v

— Derrik Klassen (@QBKlass) January 8, 2021

Here's Mac Jones' passing chart on the season.

The middle and deep areas are, unsurprisingly, where he's below league average. Josh McDaniels seems to be pushing Jones to grow there. But in the meantime, the Patriots know where to go to keep Jones comfy. pic.twitter.com/SCwniemIGj

— Henry Coffey McKenna (@McKennAnalysis) November 9, 2021

Yeah, Kyle, who probably still has nightmares about the missed deep throw to Emmanuel Sanders, really wanted Mac Jones over Lance.

This is where I really disagree. That chart is clearly skewed. I've watched Mac Jones and he has a very beautiful and accurate deep pass with touch. I think the problem with him is the arm strength and immobility.

Next gen stats most certainly isn't "skewed" I've watched plenty of Mac Jones this past yr based on where I live. Sounds like you might have watched ESPN highlights more than weekly games (not trying to be snarky). There were misses more than people who are pro Jones would like to admit (which is fine he's a rookie).

Jones was by no means some stud this past yr, he just wasn't a couple mess like Zack Wilson or Lawrence. He played about as close to what I thought he would this past yr. He also didn't continue to develop as the season went on, 7 INTs in his last 5 games. Whatever though he's a rookie and IMO you can't judge them fairing for like 3 yrs.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by SinceXVI:

Starting the Trey Lance charting thread with a Russell Wilson-esque rainbow of a deep ball. pic.twitter.com/SEtXKKQ48v

— Derrik Klassen (@QBKlass) January 8, 2021

Here's Mac Jones' passing chart on the season.

The middle and deep areas are, unsurprisingly, where he's below league average. Josh McDaniels seems to be pushing Jones to grow there. But in the meantime, the Patriots know where to go to keep Jones comfy. pic.twitter.com/SCwniemIGj

— Henry Coffey McKenna (@McKennAnalysis) November 9, 2021

Yeah, Kyle, who probably still has nightmares about the missed deep throw to Emmanuel Sanders, really wanted Mac Jones over Lance.

This is where I really disagree. That chart is clearly skewed. I've watched Mac Jones and he has a very beautiful and accurate deep pass with touch. I think the problem with him is the arm strength and immobility.

Next gen stats most certainly isn't "skewed" I've watched plenty of Mac Jones this past yr based on where I live. Sounds like you might have watched ESPN highlights more than weekly games (not trying to be snarky). There were misses more than people who are pro Jones would like to admit (which is fine he's a rookie).

Jones was by no means some stud this past yr, he just wasn't a couple mess like Zack Wilson or Lawrence. He played about as close to what I thought he would this past yr. He also didn't continue to develop as the season went on, 7 INTs in his last 5 games. Whatever though he's a rookie and IMO you can't judge them fairing for like 3 yrs.

Jones played well last season, and will be a decent starter, but he's not ideal for Shanahan's offense that emphasizes play action bootlegs with deep shots.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Yes that doesn't mean he was getting 20 carries a game though like some in here think. Outside that JMU game, his highest number of carries in a game was 18. He had games were he ran the ball like 3 or 4 times just as well.

Trevor Lawrence in 2019 ran the ball 103 times. Steve young had over 100 carries in multiple years at BYU. Steve McNair had multiple seasons at Akron with over 100 carries (in like 11 games). Mahomes last two yrs he ran the ball 130+ times and that was in seasons of 11 and 12 games (Trey had 16 games). Josh Allen in his breakout yr in college ran 142x in 14 games... All kinds of "athletic" QBs use their legs to win games at the college.

Lamar Jackson had over 260 and 240 rushing attempts his last two yrs in college. It was a one read an go type of offense. That is most certainly not the same as NDSU.

Just because Lance ran for a ton of yards per carry doesn't mean he was used like Jackson. All those other dudes ran the ball a f**k ton, they just weren't as good at doing it compared to Lance.

NDSU ran the same run play 8 times in a row (dont recall which team, UNI maybe) and scored on that drive.
It was really pretty hilarious.

one of my all-time favorite 49ers has something to say to Lance

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by SinceXVI:

Starting the Trey Lance charting thread with a Russell Wilson-esque rainbow of a deep ball. pic.twitter.com/SEtXKKQ48v

— Derrik Klassen (@QBKlass) January 8, 2021

Here's Mac Jones' passing chart on the season.

The middle and deep areas are, unsurprisingly, where he's below league average. Josh McDaniels seems to be pushing Jones to grow there. But in the meantime, the Patriots know where to go to keep Jones comfy. pic.twitter.com/SCwniemIGj

— Henry Coffey McKenna (@McKennAnalysis) November 9, 2021

Yeah, Kyle, who probably still has nightmares about the missed deep throw to Emmanuel Sanders, really wanted Mac Jones over Lance.

This is where I really disagree. That chart is clearly skewed. I've watched Mac Jones and he has a very beautiful and accurate deep pass with touch. I think the problem with him is the arm strength and immobility.

Next gen stats most certainly isn't "skewed" I've watched plenty of Mac Jones this past yr based on where I live. Sounds like you might have watched ESPN highlights more than weekly games (not trying to be snarky). There were misses more than people who are pro Jones would like to admit (which is fine he's a rookie).

Jones was by no means some stud this past yr, he just wasn't a couple mess like Zack Wilson or Lawrence. He played about as close to what I thought he would this past yr. He also didn't continue to develop as the season went on, 7 INTs in his last 5 games. Whatever though he's a rookie and IMO you can't judge them fairing for like 3 yrs.

Mac Jones had a solid year for a rookie QB who's number 1 and number 2 were guys who have yet to crack the top 40 in receiving in their careers.

Also, espn has his passer rating at 92.5