Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by a49erfan77:

Originally posted by RickyRoma:
He was a freak.....a lot of people want that 'mobile' QB, but I'd take that mid 80's Marino over pretty much everybody in the NFL today.

!!SUPER HOT TAKE ALERT!!

Marino plus the smurf Brothers (I think thats what they were called) they were two super quick and fast WRs that Marino threw to, back in the day. With Marinos arm and accuracy and the speed of his WRs, he threw bomb after bomb and beat a lot of teams in the regular season, but once he got into the playoffs and faced elite pass rushers, I always felt that the dolphins tended to get bogged down and didn't have a defense that could save Marinos buttocks in the playoffs. But boy could Marino thread the needle on those passes. Specially in the red zone with his quick release and powerful arm. 10 playoff appearances and never won a super bowl.

Marks brothers.

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by BleedsRedNGold:

Originally posted by 4ML:


Love this throw. Goes thru progressions and comes back to the middle and throws a dart. lol "average" arm strength loool

This is beautiful. The level of talent he played against doesn't matter. When he goes to the NFL, the guys he's playing with will be 10 times better. He'll have a pro-bowl caliber Oline, Pro Bowl WRs, RBs and TEs. He can acclimate easier to smaller windows and more complex coverages. That will come in time.

However, Trey has a solid foundation when it comes to the fundamentals of the position. On top of that, he has the physical tools to mask his inexperience.

I have no doubt that Kyle will start peppering him into the gameplan to give him some reps against live bullets. By week 17 he should be ready to start a full game. Hopefully it's a meaningless game as we have the bye locked up.

What makes it look like Marino is that Lance keeps his elbow tight with his body and doesn't pull it up and back like a bow and arrow, which Justin Fields does. Cam Newton also pulls back with his elbow which makes the whip throw instead of the short compact throw.

Man, and this kid was firing these at 19 years old. I'm sure he has gained a little more power and a lot more control by now.

If Trey can get close to Marinos accuracy on the deep ball, Kyle might go with more speedy recievers that can get deep in a hurry. From what I can see, Trey has the cannon to easily get it a Tyreek Hill type of WR, now we just have to wait and see on his accuracy and hope it becomes elite.

Originally posted by scottym:
Marks brothers.

Oh yeah, the Marks brothers!

Originally posted by Giedi:
When your offenses is unstoppable on third downs it makes your defense look good - **statisically**. Time of possession makes your defense (from a yardage standpoint) look like tops in the league because your offense isn't allowing the opposing offense to move against your own defense. So, in other words, a great offense tends to inflate a lot of defensive statistics-- such that you think you have a great defense, when you really have an average defense. I've always felt that when I saw the Miami *killer bees* defense, and also thats how I felt about Seiferts defense when he traded away Haley.

Actually it works both ways. A defense that continually gets stops and gives the offense good field position makes it easier for the offense to score. If the D doesn't give up a lot of points the offense doesn't need to play from behind and can use the whole playbook. 49ers defense in 2019 was a good example. Good offense compliments good defense and visa versa. You need both.

Originally posted by Giedi:
If Trey can get close to Marinos accuracy on the deep ball, Kyle might go with more speedy recievers that can get deep in a hurry. From what I can see, Trey has the cannon to easily get it a Tyreek Hill type of WR, now we just have to wait and see on his accuracy and hope it becomes elite.

Pretty sure they already have a guy that can go deep in a hurry.


Aiyuk reintroducing himself to Lenoir at training camp:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by RickyRoma:

Originally posted by Giedi:
Marinos throwing motion was a lot like a quick jab. The thing unique about it was that the ball still went 50+ yards with accuracy and velocity. Just watching these Trey clips-- i do get the feeling his arm is way stronger than I thought. Way stronger. If he develops the kind of accuracy that Brees and Montana had, oh my God. with the kind of mobility he has --

I hope Kyle doesn't get hypnotized by the kind of offense he will have like Don Shula did with Marino. I've always felt Shula never was able to build a decent defense around Marino. Same with Seiferts failure to build a strong defense around Steve Young (the Haley trade to Dallas). Both Shula and Seifert (I thought) put too much draft capital on offense because they were going though defenses like a hot knife through butter, and failed thier QBs on the defensive side.

I'm not sure I get the connection between being 'hypnotized by the offense' regarding Marino and not being able to build a defense around him. The Dolphins were throwing the ball more simply because they had one of the top 5 QB's of all time, and were forced to throw more because of a declining defense and running game. They also drafted pretty heavily towards defense...it's just that most of those players never panned out.

He was a freak.....a lot of people want that 'mobile' QB, but I'd take that mid 80's Marino over pretty much everybody in the NFL today.

Yup, the Marino complex. Peton Manning's coaches also had this issue...well...until Manning got old and couldn't rely as much on his arm anymore. Same thing with John Elway. He didn't realize he can rely on the run game until he tore his bicep and played with it.

Its ironic that Elway began winning super bowls when he used his rocket arm to toss soft 5 yard flaire outs and lob 10 yard passes over linebackers behind a powerful ground game.

I always thought Seiferts defenses were Bass Ackwards. He had great defensive tackles (example BY and Stubby, Ted Washington) but he never had a young top of the line elite pass rusher. (He traded away the hall of fame guy he inherited from walsh) He had an elite offense, but never really invested in a pass rush like Kyle has done. ShanaLynchs strategy is totally correct. Pass on offense and stop the pass on defense, and that will be even more important when Trey takes over and starts dominating defenses the way Steve did.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Giedi:
When your offenses is unstoppable on third downs it makes your defense look good - **statisically**. Time of possession makes your defense (from a yardage standpoint) look like tops in the league because your offense isn't allowing the opposing offense to move against your own defense. So, in other words, a great offense tends to inflate a lot of defensive statistics-- such that you think you have a great defense, when you really have an average defense. I've always felt that when I saw the Miami *killer bees* defense, and also thats how I felt about Seiferts defense when he traded away Haley.

Actually it works both ways. A defense that continually gets stops and gives the offense good field position makes it easier for the offense to score. If the D doesn't give up a lot of points the offense doesn't need to play from behind and can use the whole playbook. 49ers defense in 2019 was a good example. Good offense compliments good defense and visa versa. You need both.

Well a bad offense isn't going to be an issue with Kyle and Trey. They will be able to move the ball with Trey at QB against most (if not all defenses). Its defense that I'm concerned about, and how a good offense under Trey will mask a bad defense.

This whole "we gave up so much for him" argument is conjecture.
But it will be a fun exercise five years hence. Especially if you really want to pour it on.

Starting now, let's put Kyle Pitts in the pile of could've had's.
Next 2 years, we get to take the best remaining player at our Rd 1 draft position and put him in the pile.

Then let each have a couple of seasons to grow.
Probably by 2025, we can make a a more accurate determination if "we gave up so much for him".

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Giedi:
If Trey can get close to Marinos accuracy on the deep ball, Kyle might go with more speedy recievers that can get deep in a hurry. From what I can see, Trey has the cannon to easily get it a Tyreek Hill type of WR, now we just have to wait and see on his accuracy and hope it becomes elite.

Pretty sure they already have a guy that can go deep in a hurry.

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Aiyuk reintroducing himself to Lenoir at training camp:

If Kyle can get another Aiyuk 2.0, then he can go Air Coryell.

But I also like his positionless offense that he's developing for the 49ers in the modern age. Air Coryell might be too old and outdated a concept for Kyle.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Giedi:
If Trey can get close to Marinos accuracy on the deep ball, Kyle might go with more speedy recievers that can get deep in a hurry. From what I can see, Trey has the cannon to easily get it a Tyreek Hill type of WR, now we just have to wait and see on his accuracy and hope it becomes elite.

Pretty sure they already have a guy that can go deep in a hurry.

BleacherReport: Jayden Daniels launched it out to Brandon Aiyuk for the 81-yard TD to stun Oregon 🔥 From B/R x @BassProShops pic.twitter.com/M92KUW5Xs1▶️ https://t.co/NKkDBVS66N ▶️ https://t.co/qwq5GEXwQp #Sportsbetting #Sportsbooks

— BetFast.com (@BetFastcom) November 24, 2019

Aiyuk reintroducing himself to Lenoir at training camp:

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Originally posted by 5Jan2003:
This whole "we gave up so much for him" argument is conjecture.
But it will be a fun exercise five years hence. Especially if you really want to pour it on.

Starting now, let's put Kyle Pitts in the pile of could've had's.
Next 2 years, we get to take the best remaining player at our Rd 1 draft position and put him in the pile.

Then let each have a couple of seasons to grow.
Probably by 2025, we can make a a more accurate determination if "we gave up so much for him".

Kyle Pitts doesn't need to be in that comparison because we would never have been in the position to take him if we weren't trading up specifically for a QB. You dont trade what we traded for a 2nd TE.

2 things that hopefully Lance can bring to this offense:

1. Athleticism: make off schedule plays with his feet to buy more time to throw and scamper for 1st downs; and
2. Deep ball: It was no secret for defenses to heavily cover the short/intermediate passing over the middle of the field. If he can accurately hit guys deep, then good luck defending because they can't blanket/double cover just one area of the field anymore.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Aj_hwd954:

Originally posted by ltrain:

Originally posted by Aj_hwd954:
The title of this thread is gonna age well

It will if he's awesome - have some faith!

49ers gave up a lot for him, he's got high expectations whenever he sees the field, the moment he has a bad game, or even a bad throw, the fanbase and media will turn on him without a second thought

doubt it.. maybe just the mac jones fans will

The way the fanbase has handled all Niners QBs not named Joe Montana would say otherwise, and even Joe had to deal with "washed up" takes in 86 and 87