Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by NDSU:
10/10/21 We lose to AZ by 7 at Arizona (10-17)
11/07/21 We lose to AZ by 14 at Arizona (17-31)

What was the difference? Who was QB for each game.
Do people really still think Jimmy G was better than Lance in 2021?

The one guy who matters did. His name is Kyle S the man in the hat.

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by goldlame2013:
Here's the deal, nobody is questioning his mental or physical abilities, bottom line, the kid is more raw than bloody red hamburger meat. He's a project. Deebo, Kittle, Bosa and coming up Aiyuk, are in their primes. By the time Trey is ready to play, the others are gonna past their primes and it's gonna be too be late. The team is built to challenge for a Superbowl now, not 3 yrs from now when an experienced QB finally gets it.. Keep something in mind folks, he has 4 yrs of High school, one yr, I repeat ONE YEAR of college against basically JUCO level competition, it's not like he was competing against the SEC. He started 2 games in the NFL, and that's it. Pete Carroll, Belichick, Raheem Morris, you name it, will eat him alive. I wish the front office had thought this through better.

Deebo just turned 26 and Nick is 24.

So when Deebo is 29 and Nick is 27 they will no longer be in their primes.

Good to know because if it's written on the innanet it must be true.

such a dumb thing....you'd think you'd want great players in their "prime" around a young QB. You know to help him grow and not force him to have to do too much too soon. That's half the problem with a lot of these young QBs playing awful. They're on trash teams and are forced to try and do more than they can right now.

I'll bet money goldlame wouldn't have said s**t about Trevor Lawrence being rawer than red hamburger meat or whatever, if SF somehow ended up drafting him. Kid has been playing since he was a freshmen. Been raised to be a top QB prospect since middle school. "generational talent" was used all the damn time. Get's tossed onto one of the worst rosters in football with a horrible coaching staff...and s**ts the bed. Have a GOOD roster around a young QB is a positive not a negative.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NDSU:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NDSU:
10/10/21 We lose to AZ by 7 at Arizona (10-17)
11/07/21 We lose to AZ by 14 at Arizona (17-31)

What was the difference? Who was QB for each game.
Do people really still think Jimmy G was better than Lance in 2021?

That game was 100% on the defense and 2 bone headed fumbles. Jimmy played excellent that game

So when Lance looses its his fault, and when Jimmy looses its the defenses fault. Got it.

Show me where I said that

Yeah anyone who actually watched that game knows that one wasn't on Jimmy. He had his share of bad moments but that was one of his better games.

Aiyuk and Kittle fumbled in scoring position and Norman gifted a touchdown off a ridiculous unsportsmanlike penalty. AZ had no business winning, but several guys not named Jimmy unfortunately choked that day.

The fact that SF only lost to AZ with all their starters by a TD with Lance is a thing as well. Regardless of how unprepared he was to play that game...because he was, they still almost won that game.

Jimmy thanks for doing you thing while you were here. I hope you make a ton of cash somewhere else and SF can get a decent pick in return. The end.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NDSU:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NDSU:
10/10/21 We lose to AZ by 7 at Arizona (10-17)
11/07/21 We lose to AZ by 14 at Arizona (17-31)

What was the difference? Who was QB for each game.
Do people really still think Jimmy G was better than Lance in 2021?

That game was 100% on the defense and 2 bone headed fumbles. Jimmy played excellent that game

So when Lance looses its his fault, and when Jimmy looses its the defenses fault. Got it.

Show me where I said that

Yeah anyone who actually watched that game knows that one wasn't on Jimmy. He had his share of bad moments but that was one of his better games.

Aiyuk and Kittle fumbled in scoring position and Norman gifted a touchdown off a ridiculous unsportsmanlike penalty. AZ had no business winning, but several guys not named Jimmy unfortunately choked that day.

The fact that SF only lost to AZ with all their starters by a TD with Lance is a thing as well. Regardless of how unprepared he was to play that game...because he was, they still almost won that game.

Jimmy thanks for doing you thing while you were here. I hope you make a ton of cash somewhere else and SF can get a decent pick in return. The end.

Only 198 days until season opener

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Only 198 days until season opener

I'd do a countdown, but that's a lot of days getting up at midnight.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NDSU:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NDSU:
10/10/21 We lose to AZ by 7 at Arizona (10-17)
11/07/21 We lose to AZ by 14 at Arizona (17-31)

What was the difference? Who was QB for each game.
Do people really still think Jimmy G was better than Lance in 2021?

That game was 100% on the defense and 2 bone headed fumbles. Jimmy played excellent that game

So when Lance looses its his fault, and when Jimmy looses its the defenses fault. Got it.

Show me where I said that

Yeah anyone who actually watched that game knows that one wasn't on Jimmy. He had his share of bad moments but that was one of his better games.

Aiyuk and Kittle fumbled in scoring position and Norman gifted a touchdown off a ridiculous unsportsmanlike penalty. AZ had no business winning, but several guys not named Jimmy unfortunately choked that day.

You mean going into the game? Because we absolutely got our ass kicked that day...but regardless it's a stupid comparison originally anyways.

Trey getting his first NFL start on the road, no George Kittle. Elijah Mitchell still gimpy after getting hurt vs Seattle. We actually moved the ball very well in that game but batted down passes, some drops, and runs that didn't move the sticks were the reason we failed to score a bunch more in that game. Including Trey's failure to get the ball over the goal line on 4th and 1 call(teaching moment for him that on 4th down you gotta get that ball over the line)

We actually had almost identical total yards on offense in both games.

Trey wasn't the reason we lost to Arizona and Jimmy wasn't the reason we lost to Arizona. You can certainly make the claim if Trey made a couple of more plays we beat them week 4 but week 9 was just not happening the way our defense played.

Still I feel like Trey's first game is getting bashed a lot more than it should. Yes he missed some throws, yes he got over excited on the pick and it hurt us but he was also doing some really good things. We've certainly seen Jimmy throw some rough picks and get passed batted down on key downs/moments. It happens.

Trey gets a chance to learn from it.

Originally posted by billbird2111:
I seriously doubt that Booger watched a single second of the 49ers game against Houston. Only someone who did not watch that Trey Lance start would make the comments that he made. Instead, Booger picked out the one game he did probably see, the game against AZ, and based his comments off what he saw.

By the time Trey settled down and got over his first half jitters against the Texans, the kid displayed the kind of promise, poise and talent that both Shanahan and Lynch obviously spotted. Watching a highlight reel is one thing. A highlight reel is a collection of great plays all strung together. It doesn't give you a complete picture. An entire game, however, does give you a glimpse or glimmer into what the kid can be.

I think, and hope, that the 49ers are going to be fine with Trey. I do not expect the kid to set the world on fire during his first season. I hope nobody does. He's likely to play some incredible games next season, and also just as likely to turn in a few less-than-stellar performances. That's the thing with a young QB. They can be great. They can be horrible.

Bottom line? I wouldn't worry about Trey Lance. I know all of you will, but I think the kid is going to be just fine in the long run.

I look at the last sentence, "I think the kid is going to be fine in the long run". This team is ready now, waiting for 2 or 3 years the window may be closed. If there are any chances of getting Brady or Rodgers go all in. We would be instant favorites to win it all. I'll take that over speculation.

Originally posted by RishikeshA:

Originally posted by billbird2111:
I seriously doubt that Booger watched a single second of the 49ers game against Houston. Only someone who did not watch that Trey Lance start would make the comments that he made. Instead, Booger picked out the one game he did probably see, the game against AZ, and based his comments off what he saw.

By the time Trey settled down and got over his first half jitters against the Texans, the kid displayed the kind of promise, poise and talent that both Shanahan and Lynch obviously spotted. Watching a highlight reel is one thing. A highlight reel is a collection of great plays all strung together. It doesn't give you a complete picture. An entire game, however, does give you a glimpse or glimmer into what the kid can be.

I think, and hope, that the 49ers are going to be fine with Trey. I do not expect the kid to set the world on fire during his first season. I hope nobody does. He's likely to play some incredible games next season, and also just as likely to turn in a few less-than-stellar performances. That's the thing with a young QB. They can be great. They can be horrible.

Bottom line? I wouldn't worry about Trey Lance. I know all of you will, but I think the kid is going to be just fine in the long run.

I look at the last sentence, "I think the kid is going to be fine in the long run". This team is ready now, waiting for 2 or 3 years the window may be closed. If there are any chances of getting Brady or Rodgers go all in. We would be instant favorites to win it all. I'll take that over speculation.

And trade exactly what for them? Ensure we don't have first round picks for 5 more years? What what about the cap? Both take up 40+ mil of cap space

Plus, they aren't just gonna hand us a SB trophy if we trade for one of those guys, and anything can happen including age finally catching up to them or injuries.

Originally posted by RishikeshA:

Originally posted by billbird2111:
I seriously doubt that Booger watched a single second of the 49ers game against Houston. Only someone who did not watch that Trey Lance start would make the comments that he made. Instead, Booger picked out the one game he did probably see, the game against AZ, and based his comments off what he saw.

By the time Trey settled down and got over his first half jitters against the Texans, the kid displayed the kind of promise, poise and talent that both Shanahan and Lynch obviously spotted. Watching a highlight reel is one thing. A highlight reel is a collection of great plays all strung together. It doesn't give you a complete picture. An entire game, however, does give you a glimpse or glimmer into what the kid can be.

I think, and hope, that the 49ers are going to be fine with Trey. I do not expect the kid to set the world on fire during his first season. I hope nobody does. He's likely to play some incredible games next season, and also just as likely to turn in a few less-than-stellar performances. That's the thing with a young QB. They can be great. They can be horrible.

Bottom line? I wouldn't worry about Trey Lance. I know all of you will, but I think the kid is going to be just fine in the long run.

I look at the last sentence, "I think the kid is going to be fine in the long run". This team is ready now, waiting for 2 or 3 years the window may be closed. If there are any chances of getting Brady or Rodgers go all in. We would be instant favorites to win it all. I'll take that over speculation.

Lance in 2022 is better than Rodgers and Brady imo

I know this isn't a mahomes thread BUT people in here acting like they knew Mahomes was gonna be great in college...disregarding how "raw" he was. There was plays like this every week in college from him. Air raid QBs coming into the league were basically failures up to that point. He literally had no clue what he was doing play to play lol. His mechanics were a s**t show.




Dude stepped onto the field his first full yr and threw for 50 TDs and 5,000 yards...why? because one he played on a damn good team with a damn good HC. Two he has god given talent that others don't. He had to work through the nuances of playing QB and he sure as s**t didn't have the figured out his first yr playing.

My point is...A LOT of these rookie QBs are "raw as a sushi" or whatever analogy you want to use coming into the league. Talent will shine through if they're put in a position to be successful. No they're not gonna be able to read every coverage and make their 3rd read on progression in the pocket like some vets. That takes time to learn. Guys like Mahomes/Watson/Allen/Herbert all had success (Allen a little later on) because the coaching staff wasn't trying to put a round peg in a square hole to start off. I think Kyle is smart enough to figure out what will work and not work YR1 to win games.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I know this isn't a mahomes thread BUT people in here acting like they knew Mahomes was gonna be great in college...disregarding how "raw" he was. There was plays like this every week in college from him. Air raid QBs coming into the league were basically failures up to that point. He literally had no clue what he was doing play to play lol. His mechanics were a s**t show.

So I'm hunting for b-roll of Mahomes when he was at TTU for this QB retrospective episode and I saw this play from the TCU game in 2016.

Immediately got a distinct memory of watching this throw for the first time and writing down "zero chance this play style works in the NFL" 🥲 pic.twitter.com/jdy9i6sQNF

— Brett Kollmann (@BrettKollmann) February 22, 2022

Mahomes attempting a 55 yard NO-LOOK pass to the post LOL pic.twitter.com/TtfNYup01c

— Ted Nguyen (@FB_FilmAnalysis) January 11, 2019

Dude stepped onto the field his first full yr and threw for 50 TDs and 5,000 yards...why? because one he played on a damn good team with a damn good HC. Two he has god given talent that others don't. He had to work through the nuances of playing QB and he sure as s**t didn't have the figured out his first yr playing.

My point is...A LOT of these rookie QBs are "raw as a sushi" or whatever analogy you want to use coming into the league. Talent will shine through if they're put in a position to be successful. No they're not gonna be able to read every coverage and make their 3rd read on progression in the pocket like some vets. That takes time to learn. Guys like Mahomes/Watson/Allen/Herbert all had success (Allen a little later on) because the coaching staff wasn't trying to put a round peg in a square hole to start off. I think Kyle is smart enough to figure out what will work and not work YR1 to win games.

This is what I'm talking about this is the JL blueprint clearly. Lance is our Mahomes only more talented at #3 than Mahomes was at #10 imo. Plus we have more talent around. Kittle > Kelce. Best LT. Best FB. Deebo a legit #1. Aiyuk better than any KC #2 wr. KS dialing it all up. Etc. Rather have our slew of top players than Hill & Kelce duo.

I acted like I knew Mahomes was going to be great with my final 2017 mock draft. I wanted Mahomes bad. I knew he was going to be a superstar. I knew we were going to select him#3 overall. I just knew it. Then Shanalynch s**t all over my Christmas with Solly Thomas

Originally posted by 49erminion:
I acted like I knew Mahomes was going to be great with my final 2017 mock draft. I wanted Mahomes bad. I knew he was going to be a superstar. I knew we were going to select him#3 overall. I just knew it. Then Shanalynch s**t all over my Christmas with Solly Thomas

See after the 2018 draft I had to revaluated how I look at QB prospects. Mahomes for example had so many check marks against him as far as why he would be who he is now. No one was successful coming out of the air raid offense. Bloated stats, just throwing to an area of the field, no real understanding of coverages etc. Crusty the clown footwork and horrible mechanics all around. Wasn't really a winner in college etc.

BUT one thing I failed to get was the god given ability to make plays. The talent/upside and the intangibles to work on his craft. OH and the fact that he went to the best possible place for him to have success early. That is massive for a guy like him.

The following yr I wanted Josh Rosen (or at least thought he was gonna be real good), pure in the pocket QB that was great at reading coverages. Killer arm and great mechanics. Thing is regardless of all that, the speed of the NFL is on a different level. IF all you can do is be a in the pocket passer you gotta be even better between the ears, gotta process even faster. OH and don't start your career off on s**tty team after s**tty team. Dude neve had a chance to develop.

Guys like Mahomes who are "raw as sushi" can have a ton of success early, if they are in the right situation. Mahomes was not carving up coverages his rookie yr in the pocket. He was extending plays and just using his talent. I'm not saying Lance will ever be Mahomes...but this b******t he's not ready crap is dumb. He doesn't have to be a pure in the pocket QB right now to have success and there are plenty of examples of that prior to him.

Didn't Mahomes say after his 5000/50 year that he still couldn't read defenses?