Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by 9moon:
Baby Face will learn, I'm sure he'll learn... I can imagine his head was spinning super fast during that game..

He cant learn it if its not being taught. This has to be a big part of treys microcycle in 2022.

NOT sure what you mean by it's not being taught... must he really rely on the coaching staff ?

Originally posted by 9moon:
NOT sure what you mean by it's not being taught... must he really rely on the coaching staff ?

obviously, if its not happening. hes completely unaware

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by KiwiM:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
He did not slide foot first ONCE against Houston. I remember groaning and cursing out shanahan repeatedly.

Trey just didn't get hurt. He wasn't protecting himself any better.

Well for one thing Shanahan didn't design run Trey Lance as much against Houston which helped.

Secondly - so you are saying he won't learn to slide at all in the offseason?

I've been screaming about this since training camp. I have no idea. Why it has not been addressed. No idea if its on shannys checklist for 2022.

Baby Face will learn, I'm sure he'll learn... I can imagine his head was spinning super fast during that game..

Did Trey play baseball? I'm sure if he did - he'd know how to slide on those runs.

Originally posted by mayo49:
Did Trey play baseball? I'm sure if he did - he'd know how to slide on those runs.

Yes he did

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by KiwiM:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
He did not slide foot first ONCE against Houston. I remember groaning and cursing out shanahan repeatedly.

Trey just didn't get hurt. He wasn't protecting himself any better.

Well for one thing Shanahan didn't design run Trey Lance as much against Houston which helped.

Secondly - so you are saying he won't learn to slide at all in the offseason?

I've been screaming about this since training camp. I have no idea. Why it has not been addressed. No idea if its on shannys checklist for 2022.

Baby Face will learn, I'm sure he'll learn... I can imagine his head was spinning super fast during that game..

Did Trey play baseball? I'm sure if he did - he'd know how to slide on those runs.

He knows how to slide, he's just learning when he needs to. Lamar never slides, Josh Allen never slides, they get little half angles and fall forward.

There's a difference between being tackled side on and being hit head on, as long as Trey doesn't take those shots he'll be fine, especially with an off-season in the weight room.

Originally posted by Polkadots:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
did you not see him play in preseason? 50% passing. how many sacks? what are you talking about "fantasy points"? he wasdn't ready to start the season. That's a fact even ny85 won't argue. He was 21.

Whos talking about other qb's? i'm not talking about other rookie qb's. where are you coming up with that?

I'm not sure posting preseason stats is a recipe for success. Further, age is irrelevant. If I ask my 80 year old grandfather, who has never played in the NFL, to suit up, he's certainly in no better position than a 21 year old rookie (in fact, he's in an objectively worse position). That being said, I do not think many, if any, will claim Lance was ready to go week one. Though, again, I would like a concrete explanation of what, exactly, "ready" entails. But, had Lance started week one, no one can say, with certainty, he would not have been able to get the 49ers to the same place JG did. Could he have done worse? Absolutely. Could he have done better? Absolutely.

It's almost like we don't watch our games. How many have we won by playing great defense and running the ball effectively?

Trey didn't need to be ready week 1 in '21, neither does he need to be ready in week 1 of '22.

In '21 we'd have beaten the Lions & Eagles with Sudfield at QB, we just need to get the kid reps.

In '22 he just needs to keep us in games until he is ready, win enough to get to the playoffs, and then have developed sufficiently to be a key contributor.

I have full faith he can do that, the kid's work ethic is almost enough for him to get there, his ridiculous talent combined with our roster and Head Coach make it almost a sure thing.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by KiwiM:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
He did not slide foot first ONCE against Houston. I remember groaning and cursing out shanahan repeatedly.

Trey just didn't get hurt. He wasn't protecting himself any better.

Well for one thing Shanahan didn't design run Trey Lance as much against Houston which helped.

Secondly - so you are saying he won't learn to slide at all in the offseason?

I've been screaming about this since training camp. I have no idea. Why it has not been addressed. No idea if its on shannys checklist for 2022.

Baby Face will learn, I'm sure he'll learn... I can imagine his head was spinning super fast during that game..

Did Trey play baseball? I'm sure if he did - he'd know how to slide on those runs.

He knows how to slide, he's just learning when he needs to. Lamar never slides, Josh Allen never slides, they get little half angles and fall forward.

There's a difference between being tackled side on and being hit head on, as long as Trey doesn't take those shots he'll be fine, especially with an off-season in the weight room.

Knowing when he needs to slide is key - hopefully, he'll learn soon enough.

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by KiwiM:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
He did not slide foot first ONCE against Houston. I remember groaning and cursing out shanahan repeatedly.

Trey just didn't get hurt. He wasn't protecting himself any better.

Well for one thing Shanahan didn't design run Trey Lance as much against Houston which helped.

Secondly - so you are saying he won't learn to slide at all in the offseason?

I've been screaming about this since training camp. I have no idea. Why it has not been addressed. No idea if its on shannys checklist for 2022.

Baby Face will learn, I'm sure he'll learn... I can imagine his head was spinning super fast during that game..

Did Trey play baseball? I'm sure if he did - he'd know how to slide on those runs.

He knows how to slide, he's just learning when he needs to. Lamar never slides, Josh Allen never slides, they get little half angles and fall forward.

There's a difference between being tackled side on and being hit head on, as long as Trey doesn't take those shots he'll be fine, especially with an off-season in the weight room.

Knowing when he needs to slide is key - hopefully, he'll learn soon enough.

That was one of my concerns with Trey Lance in college. He was constantly taking big hits (also dishing out big hits) but that's not a good long term thing obviously. Malik Willis this year is another guy who takes way too many big hits.

Hopefully Trey recognizes better when to slide and what not. We need him

Originally posted by Shifty:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by KiwiM:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
He did not slide foot first ONCE against Houston. I remember groaning and cursing out shanahan repeatedly.

Trey just didn't get hurt. He wasn't protecting himself any better.

Well for one thing Shanahan didn't design run Trey Lance as much against Houston which helped.

Secondly - so you are saying he won't learn to slide at all in the offseason?

I've been screaming about this since training camp. I have no idea. Why it has not been addressed. No idea if its on shannys checklist for 2022.

Baby Face will learn, I'm sure he'll learn... I can imagine his head was spinning super fast during that game..

Did Trey play baseball? I'm sure if he did - he'd know how to slide on those runs.

He knows how to slide, he's just learning when he needs to. Lamar never slides, Josh Allen never slides, they get little half angles and fall forward.

There's a difference between being tackled side on and being hit head on, as long as Trey doesn't take those shots he'll be fine, especially with an off-season in the weight room.

Knowing when he needs to slide is key - hopefully, he'll learn soon enough.

That was one of my concerns with Trey Lance in college. He was constantly taking big hits (also dishing out big hits) but that's not a good long term thing obviously. Malik Willis this year is another guy who takes way too many big hits.

Hopefully Trey recognizes better when to slide and what not. We need him

Again, there's a big difference between taking big head on hits, and being tackled on the angle, he's athletic enough to make that happen, and big enough to withstand them.

Granted I can do without the trucking.

Trey also used to be a linebacker - which probably explains his why he doesn't want to slide on runs. He'd rather take on the defender than give himself up.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Giedi:
Just for fun I did some rough calculations:
I used the information from NFL draft value pick from the WebZone Draft boards

Year
2021 #3 pick = 2200 {value for Trey Lance}

2021 #12 pick = 1200 {first round}
2022 #29 Pick = 640 {first round}
2022 #80 pick = 190 {3rd round pick - I just used the middle of the pack number - hoping its the average value of 3rd round picks in 2022}
2023 #16 pick = 1000 {first round pick - again I tried to pick the middle of the pack number - hoping it's the average value of first round picks in 2023}

You add the picks given up for Trey from 2021 through 2023 and you get 3030. So 3030 minus 2200 equals 830.
830 according to the draft value chart roughly equals the 20th pick in the first round.

So theoretically, the 49ers overpaid for Trey the equivalent of a 20th pick (first round) in the draft.

What you're not taking into consideration is it is said future picks are valued at one round less. Obviously with unknown picks you can't really put a clear value on it but the value of #29 this year and whatever our first rounder will be next season don't equal the value of same picks in last years draft.

So shave off value that value and check again.

Unfortunately there's no charts for the time value of future draft picks. I'd be going on more of a subjective path at that point. On the time value of draft picks, I *think* it goes like one round less, or something like that. Example: today's picks are worth more than tomorrows picks - i.e. a second rounder today is worth a first rounder tomorrow (or next year). I think that's how it goes - but how do you judge the time value of picks in the 3rd rounds and later? Also, the trade was done in 2021 not 2022 or 2023, shouldn't the value of the trade be better judged at the time of the trade and not as if the trade happened in 2022 or 2023?

Originally posted by ltrain:

Originally posted by Giedi:
Just for fun I did some rough calculations:
I used the information from NFL draft value pick from the WebZone Draft boards

Year
2021 #3 pick = 2200 {value for Trey Lance}

2021 #12 pick = 1200 {first round}
2022 #29 Pick = 640 {first round}
2022 #80 pick = 190 {3rd round pick - I just used the middle of the pack number - hoping its the average value of 3rd round picks in 2022}
2023 #16 pick = 1000 {first round pick - again I tried to pick the middle of the pack number - hoping it's the average value of first round picks in 2023}

You add the picks given up for Trey from 2021 through 2023 and you get 3030. So 3030 minus 2200 equals 830.
830 according to the draft value chart roughly equals the 20th pick in the first round.

So theoretically, the 49ers overpaid for Trey the equivalent of a 20th pick (first round) in the draft.

So, if we can get around 830 points of draft value out of Jimmy, we get around a wash in value? I'd take that as a win. I appreciate the work done here, however it all still comes down whether lance is a franchise quarterback. If he is, he's worth 10000 points. If he's a bust, the trade is -10000 and we start over at qb and front office.

Correct. At least that's how I'm reading the draft value chart. The maximum value on the draft chart is 3000. (that's the value of a first round, first pick) So if you deem Trey, in hindsight, to have had a equal or better record or result versus Trevor Lawrence (draft value 3000) or Zach Wilson (draft value 2600) you get a difference of: for Trevor = 3000 minus 2200 equals 800, or for Zach Wilson = 2600 minus 2200 equals 400. So somebody like Aaron Rogers had a better record than Alex Smith, you revalue that draft and put Rogers (round 1, pick 24) at a higher draft value than Alex Smith (round 1, pick 1) for example. The hard part is where to put Alex Smith vs Aaron Rogers. ARod will go easily round 1, pick 1, but Alex? Where does Alex Smith go? Round 2, pick 1? I just don't know where to put Alex.

Originally posted by mayo49:
Trey also used to be a linebacker - which probably explains his why he doesn't want to slide on runs. He'd rather take on the defender than give himself up.

That works in the pee wee leagues.

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

This lol complaining about something no one has any clue about right now. Trotter literally just reported that Lance was almost named the starter W1

That's total bs. No idea why anyone would say that. Trey no where near ready for week 1 last year. It was obvious and everybody said so in the media. Agreeing Sahnny made the right call to sit him. Everyone.

Why is it total BS? Because you didn't want it to be true?

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
obviously, if its not happening. hes completely unaware

He declared himself down a TON. Sliding can get your head ripped off just as easy (just ask flacco). He's run out of bounds as well…people glorify the big hits like him trying to run it in on the GL. Overall he wasn't taking a bunch of massive hits…I do expect him to learn how to go down (slide) more though.