Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
People acting like Lance is replacing Brett Favre or something…

As a Jimmy cultist I kind of agree with Peter King here.

"I will be surprised if Trey Lance in 2022 isn't as good or better than Garoppolo was in 2021," King told Matt Maiocco of NBC Sports Bay Area. "And having said that, I think that Garoppolo was better than he will ultimately get credit for."

I don't necessarily agree that he will be better as far as having a grasp of the position, but he will bring added elements to the table that can make a bigger impact.

Peter King went on a trey kiss ass pr tour last week no idea why.

Every single media analyst on the planet said Trey wasn't ready in 2021.

He was clueless in training camp. He was ineffective against arizona. He was better against houston.

So, arrow up. He's 22. Now the question is, what do you think he will do for us next year playing 16 games with tape rolling every week/

I believe he will be even better than he was against Houston. But, we have a tough schedule.

We have a good chance at .500. We have a 50% chance at winning 9 games. 10 games? I dunno.

That's if Trey plays 16 games. but he won't He will get injured, like he did against Arizona. Because he doesn't protect himself.

When trey misses two weeks with a concussion, and another two weeks with a sprained knee, who are we going to play?

Sudfeld? Taylor? Dalton? We gonna go 2-2? 1-3? Anyway, net result is playoffs are unlikely.

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

This lol complaining about something no one has any clue about right now. Trotter literally just reported that Lance was almost named the starter W1

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Niners99:
Yup. And the other 2 picks are likely becoming similar to 2nd rounders. The 2022 first is 29th, and next years first might be similar if Lance is decent. Plus we can now probably work our way back into the 1st because of those two extra 3rd's we got for McDaniel.

Drives me nuts when people say we traded 3 firsts for Lance. We just moved our existing pick down to 3 at the cost of two 1sts.

They still spent 3 1sts and a 3rd to acquire him….cost the 3rd pick in 2021, 3rd pick in 2022, 29th overall pick this yr and whatever the pick will be in 2023.

32nd pick in 2023 😎

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

This lol complaining about something no one has any clue about right now. Trotter literally just reported that Lance was almost named the starter W1

That's total bs. No idea why anyone would say that. Trey no where near ready for week 1 last year. It was obvious and everybody said so in the media. Agreeing Sahnny made the right call to sit him. Everyone.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Jimmy is avg and his 170 yards and 3 INTs 2 TD in the playoffs is actually being generous. Bud.

that article is what 3 or 4 yrs old? Man you're gonna be so mad if Lance plays a part in SF making the playoffs lol. It's cool dude you can still rock the Jimmy jersey I still got my Kap one

Yes injuries are why we are moving on from JG
torn ligament in right thumb and a bum right shoulder. Yet again injured when we need him most.

Originally posted by Giedi:
Just for fun I did some rough calculations:
I used the information from NFL draft value pick from the WebZone Draft boards

Year
2021 #3 pick = 2200 {value for Trey Lance}

2021 #12 pick = 1200 {first round}
2022 #29 Pick = 640 {first round}
2022 #80 pick = 190 {3rd round pick - I just used the middle of the pack number - hoping its the average value of 3rd round picks in 2022}
2023 #16 pick = 1000 {first round pick - again I tried to pick the middle of the pack number - hoping it's the average value of first round picks in 2023}

You add the picks given up for Trey from 2021 through 2023 and you get 3030. So 3030 minus 2200 equals 830.
830 according to the draft value chart roughly equals the 20th pick in the first round.

So theoretically, the 49ers overpaid for Trey the equivalent of a 20th pick (first round) in the draft.

What you're not taking into consideration is it is said future picks are valued at one round less. Obviously with unknown picks you can't really put a clear value on it but the value of #29 this year and whatever our first rounder will be next season don't equal the value of same picks in last years draft.

So shave off value that value and check again.

Lances first two games were better than any rookie quarterback's first two games. His average fantasy points per game were the most as well not like that's a huge indicator however this narrative about him not being ready is a joke.

Some of those other quarterbacks drafted didn't have many more starts in college than Lance, weren't under center as much AND didn't have the autonomy to change plays in the huddle.

Some people really need to do their research before subscribing to this narrative which is complete b******t

Originally posted by elguapo:
Lances first two games were better than any rookie quarterback's first two games. His average fantasy points per game were the most as well not like that's a huge indicator however this narrative about him not being ready is a joke.

Some of those other quarterbacks drafted didn't have many more starts in college than Lance, weren't under center as much AND didn't have the autonomy to change plays in the huddle.

Some people really need to do their research before subscribing to this narrative which is complete b******t

He's a Great talent surrounded by a top 5 NFL roster and KS calling plays.
How many teams can match Deebo,Bosa,Williams Kittle,Warner as their top 5 players?
We are in great shape

Originally posted by elguapo:
Lances first two games were better than any rookie quarterback's first two games. His average fantasy points per game were the most as well not like that's a huge indicator however this narrative about him not being ready is a joke.

Some of those other quarterbacks drafted didn't have many more starts in college than Lance, weren't under center as much AND didn't have the autonomy to change plays in the huddle.

Some people really need to do their research before subscribing to this narrative which is complete b******t

did you not see him play in preseason? 50% passing. how many sacks? what are you talking about "fantasy points"? he wasdn't ready to start the season. That's a fact even ny85 won't argue. He was 21.

Whos talking about other qb's? i'm not talking about other rookie qb's. where are you coming up with that?

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by elguapo:
Lances first two games were better than any rookie quarterback's first two games. His average fantasy points per game were the most as well not like that's a huge indicator however this narrative about him not being ready is a joke.

Some of those other quarterbacks drafted didn't have many more starts in college than Lance, weren't under center as much AND didn't have the autonomy to change plays in the huddle.

Some people really need to do their research before subscribing to this narrative which is complete b******t

did you not see him play in preseason? 50% passing. how many sacks? what are you talking about "fantasy points"? he wasdn't ready to start the season. That's a fact even ny85 won't argue. He was 21.

Whos talking about other qb's? i'm not talking about other rookie qb's. where are you coming up with that?

Preseason stats stop posting already

Originally posted by Bellaleo:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Jimmy is avg and his 170 yards and 3 INTs 2 TD in the playoffs is actually being generous. Bud.

that article is what 3 or 4 yrs old? Man you're gonna be so mad if Lance plays a part in SF making the playoffs lol. It's cool dude you can still rock the Jimmy jersey I still got my Kap one

Yes injuries are why we are moving on from JG
torn ligament in right thumb and a bum right shoulder. Yet again injured when we need him most.

has he had surgery yet?

Originally posted by NinerBuff:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
If we make the playoffs then of course Lance will have something to do with it. Only posters pushing agendas believe that a team can reach the playoffs without the assistance of the QB lol

Jimmy G was about as average as it gets last year, he didn't hold the team back from a deep playoff run but he also didn't elevate the team.

I expect Lance to have a similar season, not statistically but in general his plays will be emblematic of an average QB. But that's a huge step in the right direction, because Jimmy isn't getting better. He is who he is. Lance matching Jimmy's productivity in his first year starting at age 22 means there's expectation for further improvement.

We don't need to put down Jimmy to prop up Trey or vice versa.

Jimmy did some really good things that Trey will need to emulate and show consistently to help us win games.

That's the ability to stand in the pocket with the rush coming and getting the ball out quickly so our receivers can make plays.

He did that a lot on 3rd down as well and that was easily his best feature. Quick release and 3rd down conversions. I remember Calais Campbell praising him for it after the 2017 game vs that dominant Jags D. Campbell said he couldn't believe Jimmy was able to get that ball out on several plays for completions.

Now Trey may be able to approach similar plays differently, perhaps his ability to move will create bigger plays down the field but there is still something Trey can definitely take from Jimmy.

But all that aside obviously Jimmy had his flaws. We can argue about what or why they happened but it's fair to say nobody expected Jimmy to be involved in all pro voting last season. Trey will not have to carry the offense, he will have to manage it.

No reason to play hero ball with our talent. I'm confident that Trey can put in the work this offseason and help us win football games. I've brought up the Russell Wilson comp before, not in playing style but in the fact that Wilson won a SB with Seattle basically being a flawed passer. Ironic because he's a much better passer these days but they haven't won with him being an elite QB.

So Trey doesn't have to be Mahomes for us to win games. He doesn't have to be Tom Brady.

He just has to know the offense and make plays while limiting turnovers and managing the offense.

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

This lol complaining about something no one has any clue about right now. Trotter literally just reported that Lance was almost named the starter W1

That's total bs. No idea why anyone would say that. Trey no where near ready for week 1 last year. It was obvious and everybody said so in the media. Agreeing Sahnny made the right call to sit him. Everyone.

You keep saying "everyone in the media said he wasn't ready"

Who is everyone? You mean the people speculating because Jimmy started Trey wasn't ready?

The team is trying to trade Jimmy, do you expect them to put out anything that could kill their leverage?

Originally posted by NinerBuff:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
If we make the playoffs then of course Lance will have something to do with it. Only posters pushing agendas believe that a team can reach the playoffs without the assistance of the QB lol

Jimmy G was about as average as it gets last year, he didn't hold the team back from a deep playoff run but he also didn't elevate the team.

I expect Lance to have a similar season, not statistically but in general his plays will be emblematic of an average QB. But that's a huge step in the right direction, because Jimmy isn't getting better. He is who he is. Lance matching Jimmy's productivity in his first year starting at age 22 means there's expectation for further improvement.

I agree overall with your post. Although, I would put Jimmy slightly above average. Agree to disagree on that though.

My post still stands. If we get to the playoffs, Lance will definitely have something to do with it. Same thing if we miss.