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Feb 19, 2022 at 6:33 AM
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by JoseCortez:
You guys will never learn with your running to the left and heaving a60 yard throw that makes a qb. Just stop with idiotic madden thinking. Im sick of this s**t.

Trey needs to learn to carve a team from the pocket. Like Stafford, Brady, Brees, Manning, mahommes, Elway, Montana etc.

You know who failed in the NFL? Rocket armed athletes who never learned to qb.

Don't show me nasty clips of athletic off platform throws. Show me consistent 80 yard drives. That's what it takes in the NFL. The game isnt changing.

Yeah you're right Montana always set his feet on every throw…never made a off platform in his life lol.


lol yeah John Elway never made off platform throws…man you would have hated Elway



lol saying Mahomes "carves" up teams between the pocket…dude is the king of creating plays outside of the play call. It's part of the reason why he's so special.

How many 80 yards drives to you see anymore? You NEED the whole team to execute on every freaking play to make that happen. More plays equals MORE room for error. more flags playing behind the sticks, more missed blocks, more plays that could equal in TOs.

imagine people being mad at being able to score quicker lol? Ya'll straw man arguments are so boring now. Yes we get it you didn't want Trey and you think Jimmy is awesome…no need to make up s**t just because you don't like the outcome. No more propping up avg

I think you're both right.

What Jose is saying is that when and if Trey establishes himself as a real pocket QB or a QB who can beat you from the pocket, well we've certainly improved over Jimmy. This is certainly the baseline.

What NY is saying is being able to scramble and throw outside the pocket makes a QB elevate is also true.

It's the combination of both that so few have that makes them deadly. If teams know Lance can dice then from the pocket, but he can also extend plays by scrambling/bootlegs and make crazy throws off balance in the face of pressure it just crushes a defense.

I would suspect Kyle will actually get Trey comfortable passing from the pocket first. Then as he settles in through the season he will start putting more mobility in by design. It's going to be fun.
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Feb 19, 2022 at 6:37 AM
And it's not like Lance can't make in the pocket throws either. We saw examples in both starts and in college….you want a QB that has all the tools in his tool belt. Those practice clips just show one of the reasons the NFL was high on him.

the way some people talk about it, they would have hated young Watson/Allen/Mahomes. ya'll sound like an old crusty Clint Eastwood from Gran Torino lol.



You're gonna hate the future at the QB position because guess what…the most athletic athletes are playing QB now. Go watch all the young camp stuff and what these QB gurus are training these kids to do (because that's what rhe NFL wants).

Learning to play in the pocket, reading coverages, timing is something you learn by playing. It's a learned trait…the other stuff is god given ability. Give me the high end traits with a kid that is smart driven and attach him to a high end offensive minded HC on a good roster ALL day!
Feb 19, 2022 at 6:43 AM
Originally posted by JoseCortez:
You guys will never learn with your running to the left and heaving a60 yard throw that makes a qb. Just stop with idiotic madden thinking. Im sick of this s**t.

Trey needs to learn to carve a team from the pocket. Like Stafford, Brady, Brees, Manning, mahommes, Elway, Montana etc.

You know who failed in the NFL? Rocket armed athletes who never learned to qb.

Don't show me nasty clips of athletic off platform throws. Show me consistent 80 yard drives. That's what it takes in the NFL. The game isnt changing.

Old man yelling at clouds lol
Feb 19, 2022 at 6:44 AM
Originally posted by Cisco0623:
I think you're both right.

What Jose is saying is that when and if Trey establishes himself as a real pocket QB or a QB who can beat you from the pocket, well we've certainly improved over Jimmy. This is certainly the baseline.

What NY is saying is being able to scramble and throw outside the pocket makes a QB elevate is also true.

It's the combination of both that so few have that makes them deadly. If teams know Lance can dice then from the pocket, but he can also extend plays by scrambling/bootlegs and make crazy throws off balance in the face of pressure it just crushes a defense.

I would suspect Kyle will actually get Trey comfortable passing from the pocket first. Then as he settles in through the season he will start putting more mobility in by design. It's going to be fun.

Most young athletic QBs help themselves by using their god given ability early in their careers…go look at Allen/Mahomes/Watson/Jackson etc. learning to win strictly from the pocket is a learned trait, which requires reps and time.

no one is saying Lance is only gonna run around and throw off platform balls. He showed anticipation and in the pocket play in his minimal playing rime. He will need reps to see coverages and work on timing….it was one of the main reasons why I pounded the table that he had to get reps early. You can't get better at that by not playing. SF went a different route and overall it played out well for the team overall.

kyle will let Lance play football, he will give him easy reads and run the ball a ton. He will add stuff to the playbook as he becomes more comfortable.
Feb 19, 2022 at 6:47 AM
The big Lance advantage right out of the gate.

Feb 19, 2022 at 6:51 AM
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

No one tries to throw down field running cross legged sideways without setting. The tweets say early february but im assuming that's the tweet date. Probably the clips are from early fall. So i assume he wont be doing that so much now.

Any clips of him sliding?

Yeah no one ever makes off platform throws lol






How dare Montana not set his feet


Thanks for posting all tjese. I was thinking of mahomes. Maybe its just me but in pretty much all the pro clips i see much more stable upper and lower body mechanics. Is it just me? Shoulders parallel to line square hips. For pretty much all. There's core in all those throws. Mostly shoulder for trey.

I expect better form from pros in their mid twenties than an excitable teen who cant wait to get the ball out early into an open window he sees. I think that's expected.

And please don't try to turn this into a Jimmy versus trey thing. Now who's being unnecessarily argumentative.
[ Edited by brodiebluebanaszak on Feb 19, 2022 at 6:53 AM ]
Feb 19, 2022 at 6:53 AM
Originally posted by TheGore49er:
Old man yelling at clouds lol

Back in my day, we threw the ball 3 yards and ran packer sweeps all game. Final score was 7-3. That's how you win games in 2022

Feb 19, 2022 at 6:56 AM
Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by JoseCortez:
You guys will never learn with your running to the left and heaving a60 yard throw that makes a qb. Just stop with idiotic madden thinking. Im sick of this s**t.

Trey needs to learn to carve a team from the pocket. Like Stafford, Brady, Brees, Manning, mahommes, Elway, Montana etc.

You know who failed in the NFL? Rocket armed athletes who never learned to qb.

Don't show me nasty clips of athletic off platform throws. Show me consistent 80 yard drives. That's what it takes in the NFL. The game isnt changing.

Yeah you're right Montana always set his feet on every throw…never made a off platform in his life lol.


lol yeah John Elway never made off platform throws…man you would have hated Elway



lol saying Mahomes "carves" up teams between the pocket…dude is the king of creating plays outside of the play call. It's part of the reason why he's so special.

How many 80 yards drives to you see anymore? You NEED the whole team to execute on every freaking play to make that happen. More plays equals MORE room for error. more flags playing behind the sticks, more missed blocks, more plays that could equal in TOs.

imagine people being mad at being able to score quicker lol? Ya'll straw man arguments are so boring now. Yes we get it you didn't want Trey and you think Jimmy is awesome…no need to make up s**t just because you don't like the outcome. No more propping up avg

I think you're both right.

What Jose is saying is that when and if Trey establishes himself as a real pocket QB or a QB who can beat you from the pocket, well we've certainly improved over Jimmy. This is certainly the baseline.

What NY is saying is being able to scramble and throw outside the pocket makes a QB elevate is also true.

It's the combination of both that so few have that makes them deadly. If teams know Lance can dice then from the pocket, but he can also extend plays by scrambling/bootlegs and make crazy throws off balance in the face of pressure it just crushes a defense.

I would suspect Kyle will actually get Trey comfortable passing from the pocket first. Then as he settles in through the season he will start putting more mobility in by design. It's going to be fun.

100% this.
Feb 19, 2022 at 7:09 AM
Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Thanks for posting all tjese. I was thinking of mahomes. Maybe its just me but in pretty much all the pro clips i see much more stable upper and lower body mechanics. Is it just me? Shoulders parallel to line square hips. For pretty much all. There's core in all those throws. Mostly shoulder for trey.

I expect better form from pros in their mid twenties than an excitable teen who cant wait to get the ball out early into an open window he sees. I think that's expected.

And please don't try to turn this into a Jimmy versus trey thing. Now who's being unnecessarily argumentative.

None of those clips are any different than those practice clips from Lance….

No I will bring up Jimmy, not a peep from you regarding his footwork for the past 4 years. Constantly throwing from his back foot in the pocket. Never stepping into his throws. It was wow look at that quick release which has nothing to do with footwork. It was all about upper body torque which is great for those quick throws but a disaster for every other throw.
[ Edited by NYniner85 on Feb 19, 2022 at 7:15 AM ]
Feb 19, 2022 at 7:21 AM
Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Yea please. Those clips just posted about his arm made me cringe. Sorry. Raw as sushi. Teach him how to set from a rollout. After a two-week crash course in foot first sliding

What are you talking about? There was nothing wrong with those throws.

this is an absolute dime, nothing wrong with that throwing motion nothing


Yeah he can set his feet just fine on a rollout


Umm the throws worked agreed... But the lower body mechanics just didnt mesh ... No control.... You didnt think so? The last clip was organized but the first two werent. Did the first two come after the houston game?

Thats what im talking about. Just very young. Hes a kid. 2023 is treys year.

Which starts with playoff wins and is capped off by super bowl 🏆
Feb 19, 2022 at 7:37 AM
Originally posted by NYniner85:
None of those clips are any different than those practice clips from Lance….

No I will bring up Jimmy, not a peep from you regarding his footwork for the past 4 years. Constantly throwing from his back foot in the pocket. Never stepping into his throws. It was wow look at that quick release which has nothing to do with footwork. It was all about upper body torque which is great for those quick throws but a disaster for every other throw.

JJimmy's mechanics never impressed me as ill-considered or lacking in structure. I think what you're saying is his structure wasn't the best structure. What I'm saying is when I look at Ray on those rollouts I don't see any consideration of mechanics. Which is fine for a 21 year old. But I'll definitely look a little more closely at clips of Jimmy to try and understand what you're talking about and what could be better. I don't understand why you're overhyping tray and setting him up for failure just like a lot of other people on this forum. Nothing against the kid but to me it's a stretch thinking he'll be winning 10 games for us next year. Again only crazy webzone Kool-Aid drinkers expect a kid that young with such a little experience to take us to the promised land
Feb 19, 2022 at 7:43 AM
The off balance crazy throws are never going to be the norm. Every QB would prefer to be able to stay in the pocket and throw while he's protected. Just because some QBs make those throws doesn't men they can't throw from the pocket. The important thing is that they CAN make those throws when they're pressured and it becomes necessary. It may be only a couple times a game but if they happen at critical moments and result in a completion that keeps a drive alive then they're the throws that are remembered. They become the difference makers.
Feb 19, 2022 at 7:47 AM
Originally posted by JoseCortez:
You guys will never learn with your running to the left and heaving a60 yard throw that makes a qb. Just stop with idiotic madden thinking. Im sick of this s**t.

Trey needs to learn to carve a team from the pocket. Like Stafford, Brady, Brees, Manning, mahommes, Elway, Montana etc.

You know who failed in the NFL? Rocket armed athletes who never learned to qb.

Don't show me nasty clips of athletic off platform throws. Show me consistent 80 yard drives. That's what it takes in the NFL. The game isnt changing.

Sounding like a stubborn old man. Those 80 yard drives can be great but it shouldn't be dependent on. That requires the whole offense to play perfectly and in sync on every play. Gotta have a QB who can execute those long drives and also have quick, explosive 3 play drive throwing down the field. Trey will be that QB.
Feb 19, 2022 at 8:16 AM
Originally posted by eric_anthony:
Originally posted by JoseCortez:
You guys will never learn with your running to the left and heaving a60 yard throw that makes a qb. Just stop with idiotic madden thinking. Im sick of this s**t.

Trey needs to learn to carve a team from the pocket. Like Stafford, Brady, Brees, Manning, mahommes, Elway, Montana etc.

You know who failed in the NFL? Rocket armed athletes who never learned to qb.

Don't show me nasty clips of athletic off platform throws. Show me consistent 80 yard drives. That's what it takes in the NFL. The game isnt changing.

Sounding like a stubborn old man. Those 80 yard drives can be great but it shouldn't be dependent on. That requires the whole offense to play perfectly and in sync on every play. Gotta have a QB who can execute those long drives and also have quick, explosive 3 play drive throwing down the field. Trey will be that QB.

Thays what I'm saying. He can't just rely on those types of passes. He has to learn to carve up a team from the pocket. Then and only then will those bonus plays be effective. If not, he will always be nick named one play trey. Having both skill sets he will be impossible to defend. That's the hope.
Feb 19, 2022 at 8:29 AM
Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Originally posted by eric_anthony:
Originally posted by JoseCortez:
You guys will never learn with your running to the left and heaving a60 yard throw that makes a qb. Just stop with idiotic madden thinking. Im sick of this s**t.

Trey needs to learn to carve a team from the pocket. Like Stafford, Brady, Brees, Manning, mahommes, Elway, Montana etc.

You know who failed in the NFL? Rocket armed athletes who never learned to qb.

Don't show me nasty clips of athletic off platform throws. Show me consistent 80 yard drives. That's what it takes in the NFL. The game isnt changing.

Sounding like a stubborn old man. Those 80 yard drives can be great but it shouldn't be dependent on. That requires the whole offense to play perfectly and in sync on every play. Gotta have a QB who can execute those long drives and also have quick, explosive 3 play drive throwing down the field. Trey will be that QB.

Thays what I'm saying. He can't just rely on those types of passes. He has to learn to carve up a team from the pocket. Then and only then will those bonus plays be effective. If not, he will always be nick named one play trey. Having both skill sets he will be impossible to defend. That's the hope.

No no Jose, good football teams don't drive the ball and control the clock anymore. It's simply bombs and touchdowns. Forget the fact that outside of the Chiefs Bills game all the other playoff and super bowl games were won with just that, ball control, getting crucial third downs, and a big drive at the end of the game to win it.
These dudes are clueless and think the majority of the throws are madden type plays. No sense in arguing with them. Especially the super homers and guys like NY who not only have been wrong in every thread but they also flip flop as soon as they've lost a current argument.
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