Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by RickyRoma:
I can't speak for anyone else, but no...I don't get too caught up in the draft. There are players I'll prefer and such, but at the end of the day, it's still about what they do as 49ers.

Well if you were involved in the draft process more you'd understand why fans are excited.

Yeah, and Andre Ware was considered the top prospect in his class. Akhli Smith was supposed to be a dynamic dual threat, Cam Newton was going to revolutionize how the QB position was played, and Colin Kaepernick was in a position to be the best to ever play the game. And then there's Jamarcus Russell, and Ryan Leaf, and Joey Harrington, and Tim Couch, and Vince Young, the list goes on and on and on, including perhaps even Carson Wentz who came out the same school and was supposed to be a prototype for the modern QB. His story isn't over yet but it has certainly taken a turn.

Not saying anything other than the pro game is different from the college game and what a kid does in college often doesn't mean anything when he gets to the NFL, which has destroyed more career's then it has made and is why I don't follow the college game. Like Wentz, Lance has played against a lower level of competition than a lot of those other guys. so we'll see how that works out. Honestly, I hope he does well and I'll be rooting for him to succeed, just not going to work myself up into a frenzy over it because I know that if he doesn't end up being all that is envisioned many of the same posters who are getting themselves all jacked up now will be ripping him a few years down the line for not living up to their expectations. Its a vicious cycle.

I found this North Dakota state football stat web site and here are Trey's stats for each game in the 2019 season:

https://gobison.com/sports/football/roster/trey-lance/8462

I think his passing stats for each game that year are interesting but since I don't follow college ball all that closely, I'm not sure if the fluctuations in the number of completions and yards completed is fairly typical. Seems a bit erratic but maybe not. Anyway, I thought I'd share it in case anyone is interested. (I think I've read every post in this thread and don't recall seeing it but if someone has posted the link before my apologies.)

Edit: Sorry, when you click on the link you have to scroll down to just below Trey's picture and click on the "Stats" link (it's in the line with BIO RELATED STATS HISTORICAL).

Originally posted by niners94:
Watching all throws from him, he's as good if not better than Jimmy in the short passing game. Quick and accurate, that alone should make him the starter. That's good enough for a deep playoff run with Kyle running things.

Personally, I like the way he passes first before he runs. Unless it's a designed run or all his reads are covered. I think he likes throwing the ball more than running, from the way he plays. He's tightened up and quickened his release, from what I saw in the recent twitter clips vs his throws in 2019. But this is just from my amateur eye. If his photographic memory holds true, then he should be like Nick Mullens, mentally from the git go. I agree with the pundits and fellow webzone fans who say it won't take one whole year for him to pick up this offense if those mental aspects of Trey are valid.

Originally posted by 49ers81:
Yeah, and Andre Ware was considered the top prospect in his class. Akhli Smith was supposed to be a dynamic dual threat, Cam Newton was going to revolutionize how the QB position was played, and Colin Kaepernick was in a position to be the best to ever play the game. And then there's Jamarcus Russell, and Ryan Leaf, and Joey Harrington, and Tim Couch, and Vince Young, the list goes on and on and on, including perhaps even Carson Wentz who came out the same school and was supposed to be a prototype for the modern QB. His story isn't over yet but it has certainly taken a turn.

Not saying anything other than the pro game is different from the college game and what a kid does in college often doesn't mean anything when he gets to the NFL, which has destroyed more career's then it has made and is why I don't follow the college game. Like Wentz, Lance has played against a lower level of competition than a lot of those other guys. so we'll see how that works out. Honestly, I hope he does well and I'll be rooting for him to succeed, just not going to work myself up into a frenzy over it because I know that if he doesn't end up being all that is envisioned many of the same posters who are getting themselves all jacked up now will be ripping him a few years down the line for not living up to their expectations. Its a vicious cycle.

Do yourself a favor and don't post if you don't know.

I could go down the list of examples you posted and show you why the comparisons are ignorant but I don't want to waste my time or your time since you clearly don't care.

Like I said...if you don't care and want to hold off your takes until they play in real games then do that. Avoid this thread until that happens. Don't come in here sh*tting on other people for being excited.

I dont know how the process and timeline works, but:
Did the 49ers give Trey already the playbook?
Are they already allowed to work with him via Zoom, etc?

Thanks for the heads up!

Originally posted by 49ers81:
Yeah, and Andre Ware was considered the top prospect in his class. Akhli Smith was supposed to be a dynamic dual threat, Cam Newton was going to revolutionize how the QB position was played, and Colin Kaepernick was in a position to be the best to ever play the game. And then there's Jamarcus Russell, and Ryan Leaf, and Joey Harrington, and Tim Couch, and Vince Young, the list goes on and on and on, including perhaps even Carson Wentz who came out the same school and was supposed to be a prototype for the modern QB. His story isn't over yet but it has certainly taken a turn.

Not saying anything other than the pro game is different from the college game and what a kid does in college often doesn't mean anything when he gets to the NFL, which has destroyed more career's then it has made and is why I don't follow the college game. Like Wentz, Lance has played against a lower level of competition than a lot of those other guys. so we'll see how that works out. Honestly, I hope he does well and I'll be rooting for him to succeed, just not going to work myself up into a frenzy over it because I know that if he doesn't end up being all that is envisioned many of the same posters who are getting themselves all jacked up now will be ripping him a few years down the line for not living up to their expectations. Its a vicious cycle.

Leaf and Russell didn't work hard. Kaepernick couldn't learn the position. The reason for the relative busts of the other QBs you mention also seem negated by Trey Lance's work ethic and character. Yet, he may still fail. But right now, he's the backup QB.

Originally posted by 49ers81:
Yeah, and Andre Ware was considered the top prospect in his class. Akhli Smith was supposed to be a dynamic dual threat, Cam Newton was going to revolutionize how the QB position was played, and Colin Kaepernick was in a position to be the best to ever play the game. And then there's Jamarcus Russell, and Ryan Leaf, and Joey Harrington, and Tim Couch, and Vince Young, the list goes on and on and on, including perhaps even Carson Wentz who came out the same school and was supposed to be a prototype for the modern QB. His story isn't over yet but it has certainly taken a turn.

Not saying anything other than the pro game is different from the college game and what a kid does in college often doesn't mean anything when he gets to the NFL, which has destroyed more career's then it has made and is why I don't follow the college game. Like Wentz, Lance has played against a lower level of competition than a lot of those other guys. so we'll see how that works out. Honestly, I hope he does well and I'll be rooting for him to succeed, just not going to work myself up into a frenzy over it because I know that if he doesn't end up being all that is envisioned many of the same posters who are getting themselves all jacked up now will be ripping him a few years down the line for not living up to their expectations. Its a vicious cycle.

I understand the trepidation. Lance could be a bust. But the likelihood that he is seems pretty small considering he was drafted into the best situation of the 5 QBs in the first round, has outstanding "intangibles" and physical traits, and the organization has deliberately lowered the temperature on expectations. He could be a bust. He could be a HOFer. Most likely he'll be somewhere in the middle. And that is probably enough for him to be successful on this team, at least initially. Now, once the team starts to disintegrate from FA and loss of 1st rounders, he'll need to be special to maintain a high level of play.

I mean Mark Sanchez had success early in his career and he was pretty awful. I expect Lance to be better than that.

Originally posted by 49ersFan_vienna:
I dont know how the process and timeline works, but:
Did the 49ers give Trey already the playbook?
Are they already allowed to work with him via Zoom, etc?

Thanks for the heads up!

He has the playbook. I don't know about Zoom. He's met with QBs coach Rich Scangarello.

Originally posted by 49erphan:
I found this North Dakota state football stat web site and here are Trey's stats for each game in the 2019 season:

https://gobison.com/sports/football/roster/trey-lance/8462

I think his passing stats for each game that year are interesting but since I don't follow college ball all that closely, I'm not sure if the fluctuations in the number of completions and yards completed is fairly typical. Seems a bit erratic but maybe not. Anyway, I thought I'd share it in case anyone is interested. (I think I've read every post in this thread and don't recall seeing it but if someone has posted the link before my apologies.)

Edit: Sorry, when you click on the link you have to scroll down to just below Trey's picture and click on the "Stats" link (it's in the line with BIO RELATED STATS HISTORICAL).

You have to watch the games to have some context. It looks like he's running more towards the end of the season, but keep in mind the weather gets colder as the season nears the end, also teams were blitzing him a lot more towards the end than in the beginning when they didn't know much about him. If you notice, he hits on some 200+ and 300+ yard games toward the middle and end of the season, and that's where the timing and synchronicity Trey began to have with his receivers. He started hitting on some monster long ball bombs that had everybody saying he was going number 1 in the draft -- towards the end of the season. Those games where he didn't have a lot of success -- those teams (I think Illinois specially) had one of the best pass rushes and really nullified Trey's athleticism in that game. My worry is that ShanaLynch doesn't give Trey the defense he needs when he has an off day (I remember Seifert trading away Haley, for example, as a coach not giving his QB a good defense that he needs in the playoffs).

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Everyone with half a brain knew Mac Jones at 3 was nonsense...and yes if that was the pick faith goes out the window. Where Mac ended up going was imo his ceiling draft wise.

sorry you didn't get your Bama man.

Mac Jones was a smoke screen put up by Shanahan's pal Chris Simms to mislead people. It was Trey all the way.

Originally posted by Giedi:
You have to watch the games to have some context. It looks like he's running more towards the end of the season, but keep in mind the weather gets colder as the season nears the end, also teams were blitzing him a lot more towards the end than in the beginning when they didn't know much about him. If you notice, he hits on some 200+ and 300+ yard games toward the middle and end of the season, and that's where the timing and synchronicity Trey began to have with his receivers. He started hitting on some monster long ball bombs that had everybody saying he was going number 1 in the draft -- towards the end of the season. Those games where he didn't have a lot of success -- those teams (I think Illinois specially) had one of the best pass rushes and really nullified Trey's athleticism in that game. My worry is that ShanaLynch doesn't give Trey the defense he needs when he has an off day (I remember Seifert trading away Haley, for example, as a coach not giving his QB a good defense that he needs in the playoffs).

I am comforted by the fact that ND state also produced Carson Wentz, And he is a pretty decent QB when surrounded by the right people.

Originally posted by Vancouver49er:
Mac Jones was a smoke screen put up by Shanahan's pal Chris Simms to mislead people. It was Trey all the way.

I don't think so, both he and Florio seem pretty miffed by the pick. Last year with Aiyuk it was a different feel.

Originally posted by Vancouver49er:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Everyone with half a brain knew Mac Jones at 3 was nonsense...and yes if that was the pick faith goes out the window. Where Mac ended up going was imo his ceiling draft wise.

sorry you didn't get your Bama man.

Mac Jones was a smoke screen put up by Shanahan's pal Chris Simms to mislead people. It was Trey all the way.

Simms wasn't doing a smoke screen he was legit on Jones' dick for some strange reason. You can tell cuz of how butthurt he's been that Kyle actually took Lance and not Jones.

Originally posted by Vancouver49er:

Originally posted by Giedi:
You have to watch the games to have some context. It looks like he's running more towards the end of the season, but keep in mind the weather gets colder as the season nears the end, also teams were blitzing him a lot more towards the end than in the beginning when they didn't know much about him. If you notice, he hits on some 200+ and 300+ yard games toward the middle and end of the season, and that's where the timing and synchronicity Trey began to have with his receivers. He started hitting on some monster long ball bombs that had everybody saying he was going number 1 in the draft -- towards the end of the season. Those games where he didn't have a lot of success -- those teams (I think Illinois specially) had one of the best pass rushes and really nullified Trey's athleticism in that game. My worry is that ShanaLynch doesn't give Trey the defense he needs when he has an off day (I remember Seifert trading away Haley, for example, as a coach not giving his QB a good defense that he needs in the playoffs).

I am comforted by the fact that ND state also produced Carson Wentz, And he is a pretty decent QB when surrounded by the right people.

And the right coach. Carson's coach was taught by one of the best in the bees-Knees.