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Originally posted by mayo49:
Originally posted by Hopper:
Originally posted by 49ERnation:
https://www.reddit.com/r/49ers/comments/n7hbss/more_of_them_training_together_5_11/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
trey and aiyuk spending a lot of time together lately
Originally posted by 49ers81:
What's really unbelievable is how people are falling all over themselves about a 20 year old player who has yet to take an NFL snap and has something like 318 plays of experience at the college level and yet are determined to convince themselves that he will be better than any of the touted prospects who have come into the league over the course of its existence and been left on the scrap heap of history, As I have said many times in the past. I don't watch college football at all so Lance is no different to me than Fields or Lawrence or Wilson or that kid from Alabama whose name I have already forgotten, Jones? I hope he plays well because the team gave up so much to get him but I will reserve judgment until I actually see him on the field rather than anoint him for his "potential" He could just as easily be a bust as baller. Time will tell I guess.
Originally posted by genus49:
Ok cool story. Why are you in this thread?
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Lol right?
well first off he doesn't watch college football BUT you know he's got it all figured out...then he goes on about past prospects and failure. I mean where a prospect goes determines so much on how his career will go. Most top prospects for fo trash franchises with bad coaching (hence why they're drafting high).
fans are excited because SF finally spent up on a top end talent at the QB position. I'm assuming he hates the draft as a whole BECAUSE that's all about "potential"
Originally posted by RickyRoma:
That post IMO, adds a bit of realism to the situation at hand. Trading away a lot of future capital and taking a guy like Trey Lance is a major risk.Obviously he wants the guy to pan out and flat out dominate.....I would guess most every 49er fan shares that opinion. I am taking the same approach and waiting till I see Lance play in a 49er uniform before concluding anything.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Dude said he doesn't watch college football and said he only played in 318 snaps lol. What's real about that?
it's fine to not be excited about potential, there's no need to compare him to past failures just because...also if you guys aren't about potential then I'm assuming you're not fans of the draft all together?
also what are people concluding? Kid had more top end talents then just about any QB Kyle has worked with...if he can make Nick Mullens a "starter" I see no reason to have some excitement over this kid. Too each their own. I'm not gonna be negative about the situation because I know what this kid could become...no more limited QBs finally.
"You can't pick the Alabama guy, Mac Jones, and have it turn out to be Daniel Jones," an exec said. "You have to pick the guy that looks the part and has big-time upside. Lance is starting exactly where the Buffalo guy (Josh Allen) started. High grit, high want-to, works at it, loves the game, all those things that make you feel good about him developing."
"I would bet on Trey Lance," a former GM said. "I don't know how fast it is going to happen, a high-character guy with talent going to an excellent system and an excellent coach."
One evaluator thought Lance faced an easier learning curve than Fields based on what each must improve.
"The things to fix with Lance are easier than the things to fix with Fields," this evaluator said. "Most of that has to do with instincts, the quickness and consistency of their reactions."
"Trey Lance is this ball of clay and the only thing is whether he can process at the next level because he just doesn't have the experience," an exec said. "But all the talent is there, the mental part seems to be there, the personality seems to be there. All the pieces are there. He is developmental, so it makes sense to keep Jimmy for now."
Originally posted by RickyRoma:
Who cares if somebody watches college football or not?
Originally posted by RickyRoma:
This move IS a major risk. He stated he wants the pick (obviously) to work out, and is waiting on actual performance to judge - and I am in complete agreement. That is the bottom line. That's not being pessimistic or optimistic....it's realistic.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by RickyRoma:
Who cares if somebody watches college football or not?
That's like saying you don't like a certain food but you've never tried it....complaining about a player and not watching overall is kinda silly.
Originally posted by RickyRoma:
This move IS a major risk. He stated he wants the pick (obviously) to work out, and is waiting on actual performance to judge - and I am in complete agreement. That is the bottom line. That's not being pessimistic or optimistic....it's realistic.
Every pick is a risk...it's the draft. Like I said if you guys don't value potential or like the thought of risk then you probably don't like the draft in general.
Originally posted by 49ers81:
Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
Unbelievable, we finally get a potential franchise altering QB, and the thread has Jimmy G and Kyle chat in!
Back to Lance
There has been a lot said about his mechanics and accuracy and his need for retooling, he's been working on it heavily already with this being the first year he's ever had professional QB coaching.
We need to get him on the field to see if these mechanics hold up, the practice field should show a lot.
Jimmy will have to be nearly perfect for us not to see Lance this year.
What's really unbelievable is how people are falling all over themselves about a 20 year old player who has yet to take an NFL snap and has something like 318 plays of experience at the college level and yet are determined to convince themselves that he will be better than any of the touted prospects who have come into the league over the course of its existence and been left on the scrap heap of history, As I have said many times in the past. I don't watch college football at all so Lance is no different to me than Fields or Lawrence or Wilson or that kid from Alabama whose name I have already forgotten, Jones? I hope he plays well because the team gave up so much to get him but I will reserve judgment until I actually see him on the field rather than anoint him for his "potential" He could just as easily be a bust as baller. Time will tell I guess.
):Originally posted by RickyRoma:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Lol right?
well first off he doesn't watch college football BUT you know he's got it all figured out...then he goes on about past prospects and failure. I mean where a prospect goes determines so much on how his career will go. Most top prospects for fo trash franchises with bad coaching (hence why they're drafting high).
fans are excited because SF finally spent up on a top end talent at the QB position. I'm assuming he hates the draft as a whole BECAUSE that's all about "potential"
That post IMO, adds a bit of realism to the situation at hand. Trading away a lot of future capital and taking a guy like Trey Lance is a major risk.Obviously he wants the guy to pan out and flat out dominate.....I would guess most every 49er fan shares that opinion. I am taking the same approach and waiting till I see Lance play in a 49er uniform before concluding anything.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by RickyRoma:
Who cares if somebody watches college football or not?
That's like saying you don't like a certain food but you've never tried it....complaining about a player and not watching overall is kinda silly.
Originally posted by RickyRoma:
This move IS a major risk. He stated he wants the pick (obviously) to work out, and is waiting on actual performance to judge - and I am in complete agreement. That is the bottom line. That's not being pessimistic or optimistic....it's realistic.
Every pick is a risk...it's the draft. Like I said if you guys don't value potential or like the thought of risk then you probably don't like the draft in general.
Originally posted by jvangeystel:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by RickyRoma:
Who cares if somebody watches college football or not?
That's like saying you don't like a certain food but you've never tried it....complaining about a player and not watching overall is kinda silly.
Originally posted by RickyRoma:
This move IS a major risk. He stated he wants the pick (obviously) to work out, and is waiting on actual performance to judge - and I am in complete agreement. That is the bottom line. That's not being pessimistic or optimistic....it's realistic.
Every pick is a risk...it's the draft. Like I said if you guys don't value potential or like the thought of risk then you probably don't like the draft in general.
I wouldn't bother Ny. There is a contingency of fans, no people who will always kill the buzz. They inevitably think it's smarter to "temper" expectations no matter what so you don't get "let down". That way the lows aren't quite so low. Ignoring the fact that it sucks the fun out of everything and they are making the highs not so high as well.
However I think something that's been missing from this convo a bit is the 7 months he's been training since his season got canceled. Maybe it's been discussed a bit but, I might of missed it. How much of a head start does that give us? Can we trust off-season workouts with qb gurus that aren't part of the NFL? If Lance has corrected his mechanics and is as smart as people say there is some hope that he will hit the ground running if Jimmy is hurt and/or plays poorly. That means he just needs to learn the playbook in camp and adjust to NFL speed.
I was originally a sit the guy year 1 no matter who, no matter what. I'm a fan of the Montana/Young, Farve/Rodgers, Smith/Mahomes model. However if he's ready he's ready and we do need that insurance that if/when Jimmy goes down the next guy has to be ready to step in. Also I trust that Kyle can make any young Qb look good for a few games. It's whether that Qb can elevate on his own as well and I think Trey has all the tools to do so.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
That's like saying you don't like a certain food but you've never tried it....complaining about a player and not watching overall is kinda silly.