Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by genus49:
Define bonehead pick?

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Jimmy doesn't need to be perfect. Jimmy needs to be awful with losing games on top of it in order to see lance

Don't know about that one. If Jimmy has consecutive games with those boneheaded picks but our defense and run game keeps us in it and we get the W, I think he gets replaced.

Define bonehead pick?

exactly. over half the picks came off ball off hands

Jimmy needs to lose multiple games for him to get pulled

I won't get deep into it cause don't want to hijack this thread with more Jimmy crap, but let's not pretend that Jimmy's boneheaded picks wasn't a huge topic in his thread. You curious of definition, go to his thread and look for it cause it's all there. You think it's mainly tipped balls off hands, there's many picks to see all there on YouTube. But I will bite and give each of you one example for both:

Bonehead pick: Playoff game against the Vikings where he clearly had a predetermined pass, stared down his target and threw it directly to the LB that was right there just reading his eyes. Could've added a few more for essentially doing the same thing but fortunately the Vikings dropped it. We proceeded to take the ball out of his hands and ran the rest of the game.

Pass tipped that got intercepted: Pittsburgh game where it was a simple swing pass to Breida. He placed the ball in the absolute worst spot possible, low at the shins and behind him. How people try to blame that one on Breida cause he "touched" it is downright laughable.

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by genus49:
Define bonehead pick?

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Jimmy doesn't need to be perfect. Jimmy needs to be awful with losing games on top of it in order to see lance

Don't know about that one. If Jimmy has consecutive games with those boneheaded picks but our defense and run game keeps us in it and we get the W, I think he gets replaced.

Define bonehead pick?

exactly. over half the picks came off ball off hands

Jimmy needs to lose multiple games for him to get pulled

I won't get deep into it cause don't want to hijack this thread with more Jimmy crap, but let's not pretend that Jimmy's boneheaded picks wasn't a huge topic in his thread. You curious of definition, go to his thread and look for it cause it's all there. You think it's mainly tipped balls off hands, there's many picks to see all there on YouTube. But I will bite and give each of you one example for both:

Bonehead pick: Playoff game against the Vikings where he clearly had a predetermined pass, stared down his target and threw it directly to the LB that was right there just reading his eyes. Could've added a few more for essentially doing the same thing but fortunately the Vikings dropped it. We proceeded to take the ball out of his hands and ran the rest of the game.

Pass tipped that got intercepted: Pittsburgh game where it was a simple swing pass to Breida. He placed the ball in the absolute worst spot possible, low at the shins and behind him. How people try to blame that one on Breida cause he "touched" it is downright laughable.

You can show every QB throwing picks like that.

Nothing is guaranteed to be perfect. Balls will be high, ball will be low. But you needs to catch it if you get both hands on the ball

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by genus49:
Define bonehead pick?

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Jimmy doesn't need to be perfect. Jimmy needs to be awful with losing games on top of it in order to see lance

Don't know about that one. If Jimmy has consecutive games with those boneheaded picks but our defense and run game keeps us in it and we get the W, I think he gets replaced.

Define bonehead pick?

exactly. over half the picks came off ball off hands

Jimmy needs to lose multiple games for him to get pulled

I won't get deep into it cause don't want to hijack this thread with more Jimmy crap, but let's not pretend that Jimmy's boneheaded picks wasn't a huge topic in his thread. You curious of definition, go to his thread and look for it cause it's all there. You think it's mainly tipped balls off hands, there's many picks to see all there on YouTube. But I will bite and give each of you one example for both:

Bonehead pick: Playoff game against the Vikings where he clearly had a predetermined pass, stared down his target and threw it directly to the LB that was right there just reading his eyes. Could've added a few more for essentially doing the same thing but fortunately the Vikings dropped it. We proceeded to take the ball out of his hands and ran the rest of the game.

Pass tipped that got intercepted: Pittsburgh game where it was a simple swing pass to Breida. He placed the ball in the absolute worst spot possible, low at the shins and behind him. How people try to blame that one on Breida cause he "touched" it is downright laughable.

You can show every QB throwing picks like that.

Nothing is guaranteed to be perfect. Balls will be high, ball will be low. But you needs to catch it if you get both hands on the ball

This is the Trey Lance thread go to the Jimmy Garoppolo thread if you want to talk about him.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by genus49:
Define bonehead pick?

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Jimmy doesn't need to be perfect. Jimmy needs to be awful with losing games on top of it in order to see lance

Don't know about that one. If Jimmy has consecutive games with those boneheaded picks but our defense and run game keeps us in it and we get the W, I think he gets replaced.

Define bonehead pick?

exactly. over half the picks came off ball off hands

Jimmy needs to lose multiple games for him to get pulled

I won't get deep into it cause don't want to hijack this thread with more Jimmy crap, but let's not pretend that Jimmy's boneheaded picks wasn't a huge topic in his thread. You curious of definition, go to his thread and look for it cause it's all there. You think it's mainly tipped balls off hands, there's many picks to see all there on YouTube. But I will bite and give each of you one example for both:

Bonehead pick: Playoff game against the Vikings where he clearly had a predetermined pass, stared down his target and threw it directly to the LB that was right there just reading his eyes. Could've added a few more for essentially doing the same thing but fortunately the Vikings dropped it. We proceeded to take the ball out of his hands and ran the rest of the game.

Pass tipped that got intercepted: Pittsburgh game where it was a simple swing pass to Breida. He placed the ball in the absolute worst spot possible, low at the shins and behind him. How people try to blame that one on Breida cause he "touched" it is downright laughable.

You can show every QB throwing picks like that.

Nothing is guaranteed to be perfect. Balls will be high, ball will be low. But you needs to catch it if you get both hands on the ball

Exactly. If you look at the 2019 season considering that's his one healthy season with us(even if the one post ACL injury) his picks which were on him well considerably in the 2nd half of the season, which ironically was also when he had to throw more for us to win as injuries on defense made us vulnerable.

I've seen Tom Brady with all his experience and his intelligence miss linebackers or other defenders in coverage for awful looking picks.

And trying to put blame on Jimmy for the Breida Pittsburgh pick is pure ignorance. You can make the claim the ball wasn't perfectly placed but you sure as hell can't give that pick to the QB. If it was a bad throw and Breida didn't bounce it up in the air it's an incompletion. I'm not even sure that ball wasn't tipped. Regardless...that's not a bonehead pick.

Bonehead pick to me is making an awful throw that goes right to the defender. Throwing into coverage when pressured where you can't set your feet properly. Even the ones where the QB makes bad reads and misses defenders, even though as mentioned it happens to everyone.

The plays where defenders make excellent plays or break off their guy and make the play(like the Ramsey pick in 2019) will happen.

What we can't see is stuff like the Jordan Hicks pick in the 2nd Arizona game. I still don't understand what Jimmy was doing on that one. It's like Hicks was invisible cuz he threw it right to him.

Regardless of all that...Trey Lance will start when he's ready or Jimmy is killing us. Ugly wins are still wins.

Originally posted by DimezandDots:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by genus49:
Define bonehead pick?

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Jimmy doesn't need to be perfect. Jimmy needs to be awful with losing games on top of it in order to see lance

Don't know about that one. If Jimmy has consecutive games with those boneheaded picks but our defense and run game keeps us in it and we get the W, I think he gets replaced.

Define bonehead pick?

exactly. over half the picks came off ball off hands

Jimmy needs to lose multiple games for him to get pulled

I won't get deep into it cause don't want to hijack this thread with more Jimmy crap, but let's not pretend that Jimmy's boneheaded picks wasn't a huge topic in his thread. You curious of definition, go to his thread and look for it cause it's all there. You think it's mainly tipped balls off hands, there's many picks to see all there on YouTube. But I will bite and give each of you one example for both:

Bonehead pick: Playoff game against the Vikings where he clearly had a predetermined pass, stared down his target and threw it directly to the LB that was right there just reading his eyes. Could've added a few more for essentially doing the same thing but fortunately the Vikings dropped it. We proceeded to take the ball out of his hands and ran the rest of the game.

Pass tipped that got intercepted: Pittsburgh game where it was a simple swing pass to Breida. He placed the ball in the absolute worst spot possible, low at the shins and behind him. How people try to blame that one on Breida cause he "touched" it is downright laughable.

You can show every QB throwing picks like that.

Nothing is guaranteed to be perfect. Balls will be high, ball will be low. But you needs to catch it if you get both hands on the ball

This is the Trey Lance thread go to the Jimmy Garoppolo thread if you want to talk about him.

Yep. No talking about good old 2 picks a game in here!!!!!

This was during the draft process, his mechanics are soooo much better

wrong thread.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by genus49:
Define bonehead pick?

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Jimmy doesn't need to be perfect. Jimmy needs to be awful with losing games on top of it in order to see lance

Don't know about that one. If Jimmy has consecutive games with those boneheaded picks but our defense and run game keeps us in it and we get the W, I think he gets replaced.

Define bonehead pick?

exactly. over half the picks came off ball off hands

Jimmy needs to lose multiple games for him to get pulled

I won't get deep into it cause don't want to hijack this thread with more Jimmy crap, but let's not pretend that Jimmy's boneheaded picks wasn't a huge topic in his thread. You curious of definition, go to his thread and look for it cause it's all there. You think it's mainly tipped balls off hands, there's many picks to see all there on YouTube. But I will bite and give each of you one example for both:

Bonehead pick: Playoff game against the Vikings where he clearly had a predetermined pass, stared down his target and threw it directly to the LB that was right there just reading his eyes. Could've added a few more for essentially doing the same thing but fortunately the Vikings dropped it. We proceeded to take the ball out of his hands and ran the rest of the game.

Pass tipped that got intercepted: Pittsburgh game where it was a simple swing pass to Breida. He placed the ball in the absolute worst spot possible, low at the shins and behind him. How people try to blame that one on Breida cause he "touched" it is downright laughable.

You can show every QB throwing picks like that.

Nothing is guaranteed to be perfect. Balls will be high, ball will be low. But you needs to catch it if you get both hands on the ball

Exactly. If you look at the 2019 season considering that's his one healthy season with us(even if the one post ACL injury) his picks which were on him well considerably in the 2nd half of the season, which ironically was also when he had to throw more for us to win as injuries on defense made us vulnerable.

I've seen Tom Brady with all his experience and his intelligence miss linebackers or other defenders in coverage for awful looking picks.

And trying to put blame on Jimmy for the Breida Pittsburgh pick is pure ignorance. You can make the claim the ball wasn't perfectly placed but you sure as hell can't give that pick to the QB. If it was a bad throw and Breida didn't bounce it up in the air it's an incompletion. I'm not even sure that ball wasn't tipped. Regardless...that's not a bonehead pick.

Bonehead pick to me is making an awful throw that goes right to the defender. Throwing into coverage when pressured where you can't set your feet properly. Even the ones where the QB makes bad reads and misses defenders, even though as mentioned it happens to everyone.

The plays where defenders make excellent plays or break off their guy and make the play(like the Ramsey pick in 2019) will happen.

What we can't see is stuff like the Jordan Hicks pick in the 2nd Arizona game. I still don't understand what Jimmy was doing on that one. It's like Hicks was invisible cuz he threw it right to him.

Regardless of all that...Trey Lance will start when he's ready or Jimmy is killing us. Ugly wins are still wins.

Like I said don't want to talk about Jimmy in here, this is it for me, go to Jimmy's thread if you guys want to discuss him, I'm so over all the Jimmy stuff.

49ATT: You stated over half his picks were a result of bouncing off of hands, insinuating that the pick wasn't his fault. I gave you an example where I simply disagree with it. You're absolutely correct in it happens to every QB and balls sure will be high or low, in my example, just as easily as you can say if the receiver gets hands on it he needs to catch it, I can say the QB needs to throw a better ball, especially when it's a freaking three yard dump pass with zero pressure.

genus: What in the f**k are you talking about? What you described as a boneheaded pick, I gave you an example of exactly what you described since you asked for it. You might want to read again. I even separated the two, boneheaded pick and tipped pass since I was responding to both of you, yet you decided to place it together in your response. Ignorance because I give credit to Jimmy for that play just as much as folks blame Breida for it? LOL
I'm not making a claim that the ball was a horrible ball, it's a fact that it was and I sure as s**t can give that INT to the QB. If you watch that play and can't honestly see that the QB was THE REASON for it being tipped in the air by throwing it at his feet and behind him, I simply agree to disagree with you there.

good stuff in here

I'm very kindly asking that discussion specific to Jimmy take place in the Jimmy thread.

Thank you for your cooperation.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

This was during the draft process, his mechanics are soooo much better

Believe Lance has the strongest arm that Shanahan has worked with? https://t.co/rLfcC7qR9d

— Ted Nguyen (@FB_FilmAnalysis) May 7, 2021

That's not even a difficult throw that requires a lot of arm strength.

His draft profile says his arm is very average.

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
This was during the draft process, his mechanics are soooo much better

Believe Lance has the strongest arm that Shanahan has worked with? https://t.co/rLfcC7qR9d

— Ted Nguyen (@FB_FilmAnalysis) May 7, 2021

That's not even a difficult throw that requires a lot of arm strength.

His draft profile says his arm is very average.

You should read more than one draft profile.

https://nflmocks.com/2020/05/09/trey-lance-scouting-2021-nfl-draft/4/
https://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2021TLance.php
https://www.profootballnetwork.com/trey-lance-nfl-draft-player-profile-ndsu-quarterback/
https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/football/news/49ers-draft-trey-lance-2021-fantasy-football-impact-dynasty-outlook-full-scouting-report-stats-to-know/
https://dknation.draftkings.com/2021/4/12/22367848/nfl-draft-scouting-reports-2021-trey-lance-fantasy-football-quarterback-falcons-lions-bears

Originally posted by socal1632:
Now we here this. He's not going to hesitate to put Trey in. He's done with Jimmy

Pauline: Kyle Shanahan was 'pretty upset' Andy Dalton got away, 49ers wanted to trade Garoppolo

i'll take "Who falls for any and all 49ers related clickbait" for $500, Aaron

I don't see anything in that clip that would be a display of his arm strength.

Originally posted by a49erfan77:

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

This was during the draft process, his mechanics are soooo much better

Believe Lance has the strongest arm that Shanahan has worked with? https://t.co/rLfcC7qR9d

— Ted Nguyen (@FB_FilmAnalysis) May 7, 2021

That's not even a difficult throw that requires a lot of arm strength.

His draft profile says his arm is very average.

You should read more than one draft profile.

https://nflmocks.com/2020/05/09/trey-lance-scouting-2021-nfl-draft/4/
https://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2021TLance.php
https://www.profootballnetwork.com/trey-lance-nfl-draft-player-profile-ndsu-quarterback/
https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/football/news/49ers-draft-trey-lance-2021-fantasy-football-impact-dynasty-outlook-full-scouting-report-stats-to-know/
https://dknation.draftkings.com/2021/4/12/22367848/nfl-draft-scouting-reports-2021-trey-lance-fantasy-football-quarterback-falcons-lions-bears

This is from NFL.com


Tape shows very average arm strength but velocity should improve with better lower-body drive

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/trey-lance/32004c41-4e01-6787-f7d5-ee3cea053121